h drol second try

[nikosktm]

so hello guys my previous cycle(and first legit) was h drol cycle . my plans were 50/75/100/100/100/100 the first week was insane .. unreal pumps and a perfect mood with confidence and my recovery was insane.. all these at 75 mg . at the end of week 2 (day 13 or 14 dont remember ) i up my dosage from 75 mg to 100. so at the end of week 2 my testicles became very small and depression was there. obviously shutdown. i was very anxious those days and busy with exams and work .,so i stopped immidiately the cycle and started clomid for 4 weeks 50/50/25/25 . at the first week of my pct my nuts were back.SO now im thinking to try again but at low dose 50/50/50/50/75. I'm 5'4 67kg.obviously our gyms here are closed for now my excersise is calisthenics and street workout . do you think that if i give a shot with lower dosage (because im very light )can i enjoy the cycle better? finally if i do the cycle my plan is :2 brawn h drol bottles(fortunately i found brawn's retailer in european union)
2 bottles cel cycle assist
multivitamin and omega 3
pct will be nolvadex/clomid +cel m test +creatine .Also i got 2 bottles of stanoplex 300 (epiandro) which is a very good test base but i want to run it solo what do you think?obviously 100mg h drol was to much for me . im working hard now and am planning when they gyms open again to lose some fat without any muscle loss. of course i will do bloods before cycle and after pct

 

[wfreiling]

1. Wait until you have access to a gym.
2. Don’t run epiandro in pct

 

[Carnivorecon]

Does epi work as a test base, cuz its dht and has a short half life right? So you won't get e2 from it and it will peak and trough too quickly, as much a question as a statement

 

[nikosktm]

1. Wait until you have access to a gym.
2. Don’t run epiandro in pct

no i dont run epiandro pct, i mean i got it as test base with h drol . but i want to run it solo another time along with a stim fat burner. off course i will wait until i have access to a gym. for this reason i want h drol. to add some muscle if is possible and lose fat

 

[nikosktm]

Does epi work as a test base, cuz its dht and has a short half life right? So you won't get e2 from it and it will peak and trough too quickly, as much a question as a statement

yes many guys here use epiandro or 4 andro as base i think. actually epiandro i think is like proviron to keep sex drive on cycle. i have access to proviron also here

 

[KvanH]

You'll have suppression on Halodrol with any dosage that has effects (as with allmost every anabolic compound). So I wouldn't lower the dosage too much. You'll just have the same sides with lesser positive effects. I would up the dosage to 75 mg sooner than in the last week. Maybe do 50/50/75/75/75 if looking to do 5 weeks. Or if 50 mg gives you good response, you can start there and up the dosage when effects start to lessen.

As with most anabolics, running something like H-drol without test/test base is not a good idea imo. You are bound to get suppression/shut down sides. Adding 4-Andro would make it a lot more enjoyable cycle. Epiandro might be good enough, but it could get quite dry on joints and other low oestrogen sides might occur. 5 weeks is somewhat sort time so maybe you can manage without anything that aromatizes, but at least throw the Epiandro in for energy and mood. Best test base other than pinning test would be 4-Andro + Epiandro (or Androsterone or both).

If/when you take the bloods, it would be cool to report them here for others to see = )

 

[Whisky]

There’s a few things that I think you need to consider bro:

- what is the aim of this cycle? It would be hard to add lean mass imo (see point re estrogen below)

- a test base would typically have 2 benefits, the feel good aspect (libido for example) and epiandro can assist a little in that regard, however the other more important reason is to drive the estrogen component needed for growth (amongst other things). You don’t have that cascade covered at all, 4ad or 4andro will provide some (dbol can also cover that case assuming you just don’t want to pin test which is the best of all)

- you mention that the testicular atrophy was an issue last time and it seems like you are suggesting that you’ll try a lower dose to avoid shutdown? That simply won’t happen, any meaningful dose of any aas, ph or sarm will shut you down, that’s just the game. If you are worried about shut down then don’t run anything, if it’s purely the aesthetic nature of your testicles shrivelling up then run hcg on cycle at 500iu a week (two x 250iu doses)

think about it this way, when you visit a whore and pay for the hour your costs will be the same whether you get a quick blowie and leave after 15 mins or whether you give her the Adele before nutting in her **** pipe......so you may as well max out on the good stuff as you base cost won’t change. Now some of the risks stay the same but some we can mitigate a bit, in the same way as it’s normally a smart move to bag up when smashing the whore (especially if you’ve gone with one who’s still having to work at 2am), you take the appropriate supports to minimise the impact on your liver etc, but in the same way you have the risk of your wife finding out, no matter how careful you are, we can’t get rid of all risks from cycling. Your natural test may not come back to its previous level, you need to be aware of that and make peace with it otherwise your not going to enjoy the run bro.

 

[nikosktm]

You'll have suppression on Halodrol with any dosage that has effects (as with allmost every anabolic compound). So I wouldn't lower the dosage too much. You'll just have the same sides with lesser positive effects. I would up the dosage to 75 mg sooner than in the last week. Maybe do 50/50/75/75/75 if looking to do 5 weeks. Or if 50 mg gives you good response, you can start there and up the dosage when effects start to lessen.

As with most anabolics, running something like H-drol without test/test base is not a good idea imo. You are bound to get suppression/shut down sides. Adding 4-Andro would make it a lot more enjoyable cycle. Epiandro might be good enough, but it could get quite dry on joints and other low oestrogen sides might occur. 5 weeks is somewhat sort time so maybe you can manage without anything that aromatizes, but at least throw the Epiandro in for energy and mood. Best test base other than pinning test would be 4-Andro + Epiandro (or Androsterone or both).

If/when you take the bloods, it would be cool to report them here for others to see = )

i posted blood on another thread before two years if i remember correctly. my lh fsh in on the mid rage and my T.testosterone and free testosterone are on the upper range. if i do the cycle i will post my new bloods

 

[Renew1]

I'd definitely run something that adds Estrogen with Hdrol.
Even a good dose of Dermacrine would make you feel a lot better.

 

[nikosktm]

There’s a few things that I think you need to consider bro:

- what is the aim of this cycle? It would be hard to add lean mass imo (see point re estrogen below)

- a test base would typically have 2 benefits, the feel good aspect (libido for example) and epiandro can assist a little in that regard, however the other more important reason is to drive the estrogen component needed for growth (amongst other things). You don’t have that cascade covered at all, 4ad or 4andro will provide some (dbol can also cover that case assuming you just don’t want to pin test which is the best of all)

- you mention that the testicular atrophy was an issue last time and it seems like you are suggesting that you’ll try a lower dose to avoid shutdown? That simply won’t happen, any meaningful dose of any aas, ph or sarm will shut you down, that’s just the game. If you are worried about shut down then don’t run anything, if it’s purely the aesthetic nature of your testicles shrivelling up then run hcg on cycle at 500iu a week (two x 250iu doses)

think about it this way, when you visit a whore and pay for the hour your costs will be the same whether you get a quick blowie and leave after 15 mins or whether you give her the Adele before nutting in her **** pipe......so you may as well max out on the good stuff as you base cost won’t change. Now some of the risks stay the same but some we can mitigate a bit, in the same way as it’s normally a smart move to bag up when smashing the whore (especially if you’ve gone with one who’s still having to work at 2am), you take the appropriate supports to minimise the impact on your liver etc, but in the same way you have the risk of your wife finding out, no matter how careful you are, we can’t get rid of all risks from cycling. Your natural test may not come back to its previous level, you need to be aware of that and make peace with it otherwise your not going to enjoy the run bro.

actually a want to try lower dosage not to avoid shutdown.. iknow that shut down is here with every ph/ds/aas and off course sarm.. i mean that maybe 100 mg were to much for me and as a first user to a ds. my erections were fine then but im afraid of the atrophy and my mood .. maybe a t base will help me or proviron which help with libido and mood. the best cycle for me was the 11 andro cycle which i did back in 2018 . at 600mg i saw pump and crazy libido. without shrinkage.but 11 andro is very light.my aim is to keep my mass and lose fat. i know i can lose fat with yohimbine and other fat burners without drugs,but now without gym i lost some kilos . off course am planning to run this cycle after the corona lock down .my training now is very good and hard but is not bodybuilding training like before.

 

[nikosktm]

I'd definitely run something that adds Estrogen with Hdrol.
Even a good dose of Dermacrine would make you feel a lot better.

i agree but the problem is where the **** can i find this in europe... now with brexit my plans messed up. they only solution is to pin some test but i havent got source here in greece .

 

[Renew1]

i agree but the problem is where the **** can i find this in europe... now with brexit my plans messed up. they only solution is to pin some test but i havent got source here in greece .

Test would work great.
I just assumed you didn't want to pin.
4-AD would also work.

 

[nikosktm]

these are my last bloods in the week 2 of alphamax xt ..first is Total testosterone,second is free testosterone 165,78

 

[Renew1]

these are my last bloods after 15 days of alphamax xt ..

What is Alphamax XT??

 

[KvanH]

i agree but the problem is where the **** can i find this in europe... now with brexit my plans messed up. they only solution is to pin some test but i havent got source here in greece .

You got source for Proviron, but not test? I've only done small doses of Proviron (25-50 mg), but I don't see it as a proper test base myself. Good add on when already having something that converts to test+estro. You should be able to get 4-Andro from Bodyshock or the other EU shops we discussed earlier.

 

[nikosktm]

What is Alphamax XT??

testobooster performax labs brand

 

[nikosktm]

You got source for Proviron, but not test? I've only done small doses of Proviron (25-50 mg), but I don't see it as a proper test base myself. Good add on when already having something that converts to test+estro. You should be able to get 4-Andro from Bodyshock or the other EU shops we discussed earlier.

yea in my country i can buy proviron clomid nolvadex at every pharmacy for just 2 euros.pff yea bodyshock is an option but am afraid of this shop.. on the other hand i dont want to risk powermyself ,

 

[Renew1]

4-AD.

 

[Whisky]

actually a want to try lower dosage not to avoid shutdown.. iknow that shut down is here with every ph/ds/aas and off course sarm.. i mean that maybe 100 mg were to much for me and as a first user to a ds. my erections were fine then but im afraid of the atrophy and my mood .. maybe a t base will help me or proviron which help with libido and mood. the best cycle for me was the 11 andro cycle which i did back in 2018 . at 600mg i saw pump and crazy libido. without shrinkage.but 11 andro is very light.my aim is to keep my mass and lose fat. i know i can lose fat with yohimbine and other fat burners without drugs,but now without gym i lost some kilos . off course am planning to run this cycle after the corona lock down .my training now is very good and hard but is not bodybuilding training like before.

the atrophy comes with the shutdown my friend, the testes aren’t doing anything so they atrophy. Hcg is really the only way to avoid it.

you can get away on a cut with low estrogen way more than on a bulk but it’s gonna feel a bit rubbish.

proviron increases free test my lowering shbg I think, that’s not going to be especially beneficial if you don’t have any test in you to start with.

regarding the dosage, I’m never going to recommend people take higher doses of anything, that’s not a responsible thing to do.....but, back to my Hooker analogy, if you have the ‘cost (effect) on your body regardless, then you may as well maximise the outcomes. More drugs don’t always equal more benefits of course, in some cases increasing doses leads to more sides and therefore worse/less training and can actually end up reducing the beneficial outcomes.....but, if your previous issue on 100mv hdrol was atrophy and the other sides weren’t a problem (lethargy etc) then I would stick at the higher dose (cause you’ll atrophy anyway and 100mg isn’t crazy dosing).

Regards the sourcing/test base I can’t really help as I’m in the uk. I would expect even after brexit we still ship to Greece etc and the free trade deal they struck should mean no extra charges (that’s what I thought anyway) but I guess it’s only just happened so **** knows in reality what it means.

just my thoughts anyway bro

 

[KvanH]

What is Alphamax XT??

Like Niko said it's a test booster with pretty basic ingridients. Think M-Test with a bit less ingridients.

4-AD.

4-AD would be great or td 4-Andro imo. I have not seen 4-AD anywhere else than UK shops tho. And ordering from UK is pretty much out ot the picture now after Brexit for us fellas in EU. I mean ordering PH's and stuff to that nature.

Btw OT; did I receive a down vote from you a moment ago to some post? I mean I can handle a down vote on a forum, lol. Would just like to know the reason.

 

[Renew1]

Like Niko said it's a test booster with pretty basic ingridients. Think M-Test with a bit less ingridients.

4-AD would be great or td 4-Andro imo. I have not seen 4-AD anywhere else than UK shops tho. And ordering from UK is pretty much out ot the picture now after Brexit for us fellas in EU. I mean ordering PH's and stuff to that nature.

Btw OT; did I receive a down vote from you a moment ago to some post? I mean I can handle a down vote on a forum, lol. Would just like to know the reason.

That sucks.

Which post?
I don't see any down votes at all?

 

[nikosktm]

the atrophy comes with the shutdown my friend, the testes aren’t doing anything so they atrophy. Hcg is really the only way to avoid it.

you can get away on a cut with low estrogen way more than on a bulk but it’s gonna feel a bit rubbish.

proviron increases free test my lowering shbg I think, that’s not going to be especially beneficial if you don’t have any test in you to start with.

regarding the dosage, I’m never going to recommend people take higher doses of anything, that’s not a responsible thing to do.....but, back to my Hooker analogy, if you have the ‘cost (effect) on your body regardless, then you may as well maximise the outcomes. More drugs don’t always equal more benefits of course, in some cases increasing doses leads to more sides and therefore worse/less training and can actually end up reducing the beneficial outcomes.....but, if your previous issue on 100mv hdrol was atrophy and the other sides weren’t a problem (lethargy etc) then I would stick at the higher dose (cause you’ll atrophy anyway and 100mg isn’t crazy dosing).

Regards the sourcing/test base I can’t really help as I’m in the uk. I would expect even after brexit we still ship to Greece etc and the free trade deal they struck should mean no extra charges (that’s what I thought anyway) but I guess it’s only just happened so **** knows in reality what it means.

just my thoughts anyway bro

thx for your help bro! my problem with uk shipping is not the taxes.. actually all phs AIs and cortisol blockers are illegal here the problem is the customs. no didnt notice lethargy . i was very very busy and anxious and the shut down made me worse.. deppression and aggression . clomid also make me emotional .. i hate the feeling on this serm..

 

[KvanH]

That sucks.

Which post?
I don't see any down votes at all.

Me neither and that's why I asked did you give one. I just got a notification that said "Renew down voted your post in a thread..." and when I clicked the notification it forwaded me to this thread, but I don't see any down votes.. But anyhow clearly you didn't so nothing to ask a reason for. Carry on✌

 

[Whisky]

Like Niko said it's a test booster with pretty basic ingridients. Think M-Test with a bit less ingridients.

4-AD would be great or td 4-Andro imo. I have not seen 4-AD anywhere else than UK shops tho. And ordering from UK is pretty much out ot the picture now after Brexit for us fellas in EU. I mean ordering PH's and stuff to that nature.

Btw OT; did I receive a down vote from you a moment ago to some post? I mean I can handle a down vote on a forum, lol. Would just like to know the reason.

on behalf of my fella brits I can only apologise for the brexit mess. I personally voted to stay in the eu but alas many of my fellow citizens went with a big red bus promising 350 million pounds for the NHS (obviously hasn’t happened)

 

[Renew1]

Like Niko said it's a test booster with pretty basic ingridients. Think M-Test with a bit less ingridients.

4-AD would be great or td 4-Andro imo. I have not seen 4-AD anywhere else than UK shops tho. And ordering from UK is pretty much out ot the picture now after Brexit for us fellas in EU. I mean ordering PH's and stuff to that nature.

Btw OT; did I receive a down vote from you a moment ago to some post? I mean I can handle a down vote on a forum, lol. Would just like to know the reason.

I thought Bodyshock was UK?

Honestly, I did hit a downvote in some thread earlier, by accident when scrolling.
I didn't remember whether it was in this thread, or who it was, as I corrected the error immediately.

I almost never give a down vote to anything.

It would have to be something pretty bad.

(Must've been you. LOL)

 

[KvanH]

on behalf of my fella brits I can only apologise for the brexit mess. I personally voted to stay in the eu but alas many of my fellow citizens went with a big red bus promising 350 million pounds for the NHS (obviously hasn’t happened)

You could send me the Androtest you have laying around and we're cool. Hehe

 

[nikosktm]

i found brawn's 4 ad at an official retailer suppsit (holland) but they said on the description that 4 ad doesnt aromatise?

 

[KvanH]

i found brawn's 4 ad at an official retailer suppsit (holland) but they said on the description that 4 ad doesnt aromatise?

They mean 4-AD doesn't aromatize like 4-Andro does as part of it converts to the 4-AD and part of it aromatizes to estro.. But 4-AD converts to test to some degree and test aromatizes obviously.

 

[Renew1]

i found brawn's 4 ad at an official retailer suppsit (holland) but they said on the description that 4 ad doesnt aromatise?

Heh-heh.

That'll work.

It'll give you the Estrogen you need.

 

[Whisky]

You could send me the Androtest you have laying around and we're cool. Hehe

lol, good memory bro. Don’t even recall mentioning that I have bottles of that still. I do need to do something with them at some point as I don’t plan to move away from pinning anytime soon. Even if I’m ever allowed to travel abroad again I’d just pin sust to see me through a few weeks

 

[jim2509]

i agree but the problem is where the **** can i find this in europe... now with brexit my plans messed up. they only solution is to pin some test but i havent got source here in greece .

Powermyself....I think they still ship to EU.

 

[jim2509]

on behalf of my fella brits I can only apologise for the brexit mess. I personally voted to stay in the eu but alas many of my fellow citizens went with a big red bus promising 350 million pounds for the NHS (obviously hasn’t happened)

The beauty of democracy. Please make no apology for me.

 

[KvanH]

Powermyself....I think they still ship to EU.

I feel like I'm parroting this to too many threads, but in many if not all EU countries you have to declare your orders to customs, when ordering from outside of EU. And PH's/sarms and other fun stuff are illegal in many EU countries. So when your order info to customs say "Brawn Nutrition Halo xx€", it's not getting through. The consequences of seized order vary between countries, but where I live I would get a fine and a criminal record. It would be the same as smuggling D-boll in my asshole in to my country.

 

[KvanH]

I thought Bodyshock was UK?

Their head office might be in UK, but they have more than one warehouse where they ship orders and at least one of them is still in EU (I'm thinking in Poland..).

 

[Carnivorecon]

on behalf of my fella brits I can only apologise for the brexit mess. I personally voted to stay in the eu but alas many of my fellow citizens went with a big red bus promising 350 million pounds for the NHS (obviously hasn’t happened)

I think the douchebags who made that claim should be liable to cover it! That was one of the most aggravating claims made for me personally, brexit was a victory for small minded insular thinking IMO

 

[Whisky]

I think the douchebags who made that claim should be liable to cover it! That was one of the most aggravating claims made for me personally, brexit was a victory for small minded insular thinking IMO

i have no issue with anyone who voted for brexit, democratic process is a great thing and I’ve never had an issue with people who have opposing views......however, whilst some would still maintain there vote based on the reality I think that would have been a better way to go - I.e have at least a reasonable view of what a deal would mean so people could vote for that vs being in the eu rather than voting for this utopia that seemed to be suggested and hasn’t (best I can tell) materialised.

that said I seem to recall a survey recently that suggested the vote would still be to leave even with no deal so **** knows

 

[Carnivorecon]

i have no issue with anyone who voted for brexit, democratic process is a great thing and I’ve never had an issue with people who have opposing views......however, whilst some would still maintain there vote based on the reality I think that would have been a better way to go - I.e have at least a reasonable view of what a deal would mean so people could vote for that vs being in the eu rather than voting for this utopia that seemed to be suggested and hasn’t (best I can tell) materialised.

that said I seem to recall a survey recently that suggested the vote would still be to leave even with no deal so **** knows

I understand people had their reasons and they will have been generally good, or at least good for the UK, so no disrespect to brexit voters. For me i believe in co-operation have always thought of us a country in European not an island, we're stronger together. On a different note Scotlands had there vote to leave or stay and now talk of another one, when do the rest of UK get to vote if we actually want them? I mean its only fair right i jest.

 

[Whisky]

I understand people had their reasons and they will have been generally good, or at least good for the UK, so no disrespect to brexit voters. For me i believe in co-operation have always thought of us a country in European not an island, we're stronger together. On a different note Scotlands had there vote to leave or stay and now talk of another one, when do the rest of UK get to vote if we actually want them? I mean its only fair right i jest.

the work I do gives me decent info on public sector finances and the Scots do pretty well as part of the uk......that would be a ‘grass is greener’ vote imho.

 

[jim2509]

I think the douchebags who made that claim should be liable to cover it! That was one of the most aggravating claims made for me personally, brexit was a victory for small minded insular thinking IMO

Meanwhile the EU's vaccination program is a disaster and the UK has vaccinated more than the entire EU put together. In 1975, people voted for a common market...not to join a European Superstate, with its own flag/anthem and central bank/laws. Remoaners tried everything they could to reverse the result...and still lost. It's over and the UK has a great future ahead. The EU wont last.

 

[Carnivorecon]

Meanwhile the EU's vaccination program is a disaster and the UK has vaccinated more than the entire EU put together. In 1975, people voted for a common market...not to join a European Superstate, with its own flag/anthem and central bank/laws. Remoaners tried everything they could to reverse the result...and still lost. It's over and the UK has a great future ahead. The EU wont last.

Yh I'm not worried we will be fine on our own for sure, by the way you had a typo there it's remainers

 

[Whisky]

Meanwhile the EU's vaccination program is a disaster and the UK has vaccinated more than the entire EU put together. In 1975, people voted for a common market...not to join a European Superstate, with its own flag/anthem and central bank/laws. Remoaners tried everything they could to reverse the result...and still lost. It's over and the UK has a great future ahead. The EU wont last.

i agree that the result was the result, it shouldn’t have been subject to attempts to change it for sure. That’s democracy.

Re covid, yes we’ve vaccinated more people that the rest of Europe but we’ve also got the highest death rates - would we have locked down early/harder had we been part of a larger eu block giving some safety net? I don’t know the answer but my point is that I think every country can probably point to successes and every country can be accused of failures when looking at covid - I’m not sure it can be used as a sign of whether brexit is the right thing or not (to me I don’t think anyone will know that for many years when the time for trade deals to be made and the new way of things has settled).

I absolutely think we will be ok, whether we will be better off or worse off out of the EU i honestly don’t know. My gut instinct was better in the eu but I respected the reasons people voted to leave.

I would suggest that we could have resisted the moves towards a more eu based superstate as part of the block (as we had good standing in there) but you could be right, the eu could implode for sure, or it could get stronger

we shall see

in the meantime I’ll focus on making gains and smashing the ole salami into anything that moves while we see how it all plays out

 

[nikosktm]

you should stay to the custom union at least . that was the best scenario for both of us