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M-Sten question

Mikey boy

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I'm going to run my third M-Sten cycle in the new year.
It will be a 4 week run looking like this -
Brawn M-Sten 20 20 20 20
Brawn 4 AD 300 300 300 300 ( as test base )
CEL cycle support 4 caps x 2 daily
CEL Tudca 2 caps daily
PCT Nolva 20 20 10 10 probably add a natty test booster as well like CEL M-Test
I also have two bottles of Dermacrine on hand, so my question is, would it be worth adding the Dermacrine into the mix ? Or would that be overkill as I'm using the 4 AD as a test base ? Thanks
 
Mikey boy said:
I'm going to run my third M-Sten cycle in the new year.
It will be a 4 week run looking like this -
Brawn M-Sten 20 20 20 20
Brawn 4 AD 300 300 300 300 ( as test base )
CEL cycle support 4 caps x 2 daily
CEL Tudca 2 caps daily
PCT Nolva 20 20 10 10 probably add a natty test booster as well like CEL M-Test
I also have two bottles of Dermacrine on hand, so my question is, would it be worth adding the Dermacrine into the mix ? Or would that be overkill as I'm using the 4 AD as a test base ? Thanks
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What was your dosage like the last 2 times?
Did you run 4AD with those?
How did that work out?
 
Renew1 said:
What was your dosage like the last 2 times?
Did you run 4AD with those?
How did that work out?
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Both times I ran the M-Sten at 10mg per day. First time it was solo without any test base at all. I wouldn't say I put much size on with that run but I definitely leaned out a bit and looked more vascular.
Second time, still kept it at 10 mg per day but added Dermacrine. I liked the Dermacrine as i didn't experience any lethargy ( first time, some lethargy hit around the start of week 3 ) and libido was unaffected also. Added around 5lbs that time but I took weight gainer as part of my diet as well, which was around an extra 1200 cals each day.
 
Mikey boy said:
Thanks. So do you think one or the other ? Or just drop the Dermacrine and stay with the 4 AD ?
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Is it 4 androstenediol? If so I would just stick with that. If it's the other 4 andro I would double the dose but either way I would save the dermacrine.

A high dose of 4 andro can put some size on you and skyrocket your libido. Make sure you have an a.i. which you should have anytime you are taking these things.
 
Ironpirate said:
Is it 4 androstenediol? If so I would just stick with that. If it's the other 4 andro I would double the dose but either way I would save the dermacrine.

A high dose of 4 andro can put some size on you and skyrocket your libido. Make sure you have an a.i. which you should have anytime you are taking these things.
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It's the other one. Heres the profile- 4-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one. So you think I should double the dose to 600mg each day ? I'd have to order two more bottles. I can get my hands on some Anasrozole as an AI. Should I just keep the AI on hand or take it along with my cycle ?
 
I thought Brawn had actual 4-ad being that it's a UK based company? Is 4-androstene the same as 4-androsterone or 4-androstenediol? Or neither and if so which is it closer to? These names start to make my eyes cross...
 
ANABOLICWRWLF said:
I thought Brawn had actual 4-ad being that it's a UK based company? Is 4-androstene the same as 4-androsterone or 4-androstenediol? Or neither and if so which is it closer to? These names start to make my eyes cross...
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I've no idea. I thought 4 andro was 4 andro. There must be different variations. They do all look very similar
 
Mikey boy said:
I've no idea. I thought 4 andro was 4 andro. There must be different variations. They do all look very similar
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4DHEA based "4 andro" is 4 dehydroepiandrosterone, 4AD also known as "4andro" was its big boy daddy that was banned a long time ago. 4AD is a one step precursor to test and 4DHEA is a two step conversion which is less effective. 4AD is still legal in Europe so brawns could be either. hope this helps explain a little
 
New guy said:
4DHEA based "4 andro" is 4 dehydroepiandrosterone, 4AD also known as "4andro" was its big boy daddy that was banned a long time ago. 4AD is a one step precursor to test and 4DHEA is a two step conversion which is less effective. 4AD is still legal in Europe so brawns could be either. hope this helps explain a little
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That's why I asked because if it's the original than you can actually have a decent cycle but the new 4dhea is ok but I feel like it converts to estrogen more than the diol.
 
Mikey boy said:
It's the other one. Heres the profile- 4-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one. So you think I should double the dose to 600mg each day ? I'd have to order two more bottles. I can get my hands on some Anasrozole as an AI. Should I just keep the AI on hand or take it along with my cycle ?
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Yes. I would start at 500 and assess your BP and water retention. Then add your ai or bump it to 600. I've been up to 880mg with like 12.5 exemestane eod. It wasn't as good as a 5-600mg test cycle but it came close as far as gains.
 
New guy said:
4DHEA based "4 andro" is 4 dehydroepiandrosterone, 4AD also known as "4andro" was its big boy daddy that was banned a long time ago. 4AD is a one step precursor to test and 4DHEA is a two step conversion which is less effective. 4AD is still legal in Europe so brawns could be either. hope this helps explain a little
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Yes thanks for explaining. I'll do a bit digging online and research it some more
 
Ironpirate said:
Yes. I would start at 500 and assess your BP and water retention. Then add your ai or bump it to 600. I've been up to 880mg with like 12.5 exemestane eod. It wasn't as good as a 5-600mg test cycle but it came close as far as gains.
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Ok thanks for the advice. I guess I'll order another couple of bottles then,, and yes, I'll keep a close eye on my BP and water retention and see what kind of gains I achieve
 
Mikey boy said:
Ok thanks for the advice. I guess I'll order another couple of bottles then,, and yes, I'll keep a close eye on my BP and water retention and see what kind of gains I achieve
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You will be happy with your results. There's a big difference between 300 and 600 though. If you take 6-800mg for 12-16 weeks you could gain 15lbs with 8-10lbs of it being muscle.
 
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