Donald Trump running for president
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ax1
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You require treatment on a emergency but they still send you the bill that you are fully responsible for. Of course there is an issue where alot of people never pay and their credit takes a hard hit....not sure where the responsibility comes after that Ill have to look into if its government/hospital/or both.
Im not speaking for Dinox, but the whole point is we shouldnt be paying taxes on socialized medicine in the first place in a free society, so that needs to be overturned asap along with abolishing the 16th Amendment.
ax1
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Speaking of abolishing the 16th Amendment, that would also contribute to the reduction of overall costs.
Fact is doctors are penalized for their work, nurses are penalized for their work, hospitals are penalized for their profits, ambulances are penalized for their work, drug companies are penalized for their profits...and who is paying for to make up for all the money thats stolen? The patients are, its all reflected on the cost, all by patients who also are robbed of their money by government thugs at gunpoint. So if we stop punishing the medical community costs lower, and patients would have more money to spend since its not stolen from them before they cash their checks. Win-win for everybody.
ax1
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One of my favorite songs of all time, that and the Rain Song.
sammpedd88
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I thought about you Saturday night BigT. My wife and I went out and heard a two man acoustic band and they sang Comfortably Numb. Did a kick ass job too
ax1
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I would have loved seeing a Zep concert in the mid 70s....them and late 80s Guns N Roses on a night where they werent to drunk and drugged to play a decent concert, LOL
My only concert was Guns N Roses a couple years ago, had the time of my life but certainly couldnt have beat being 19 years old and being at one of the 2 I mentioned at that time.
ax1
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Axl Rose was the frontman for a couple years for AC/DC....I thought he did a decent job but doing that and then Guns he really shot what was left by 2019 early 2020.
ax1
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Good thing it wasnt ruined by a bunch of phone goblins video recording the damn show instead of really, really being there! lol
ax1
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Do you like Dream Theater?
Jiigzz
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I dont know about you, but if i gained an extra $2000 per year from what I would save if I wasn't "forced at gunpoint to pay medical", then I still couldn't afford more than 1 night in intensive care if I were to have an accident.
Plus, you keep talking about a "free society", while neglecting that 14 other countries with universal healthcare rank above the US in terms of economic and social freedoms.
I just find the anti-healthcare argument so bizarre, considering it works literally everywhere else lol. It's also ironic because the same people who say "universal healthcare is bad and govt shouldnt be involved" are the same people who say "the govt should prevent abortions".
Which one is it? Can't be both pro-life and anti-healthcare.
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puccah8808
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The people who don’t want the government involved in abortions, are the same ones who want the government to pay for their birth control, pads, and tampons.
ax1
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Your gain was a profit of what was stolen from others against their free will. Thats nothing to be proud about. Do you take it? Well sure I can understand this is the system that was given to you. It doesnt make it right.
Just because you have a need, doesnt mean other people owe you.
Your gains is someone else's pain. What if we have your ER care to the 18 thousand children that starved to death today? How about giving them the "gain."
America is not a free society, I want my Country to be the best which is why I promote it. We live in a massively corrupt big government fascist cesspool.
I dont really care much about what other countries are doing, first overall its vague and you know well most of them are overall shytholes that I have no interest in living in and Im positive I can find many issues with various systems.
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I just find the anti-healthcare argument so bizarre, considering it works literally everywhere else lol. It's also ironic because the same people who say "universal healthcare is bad and govt shouldnt be involved" are the same people who say "the govt should prevent abortions".
Which one is it? Can't be both pro-life and anti-healthcare.
To be clear, I actually am completely for healthcare, real healthcare, I have been very clear and simple on how to fix our problems, and that is a free market system and bringing real health insurance to the market in case something catastrophic occurs and after that to each their own.
Im not a big "abortion" person" I do think we can draw the line on that but this is another topic.
What your stating is completely misleading. Being against socialized medicine does not equate to being "anti-healthcare" its quite the opposite actually. Im actually for pure healthcare.
You are for big powerful inhumane government bureaucracy with gunslingers in suites and ties enforcing what you have to give your money into and taking the power of the individual away to make their own decisions of what is best for them.
Im for actual health care which is doctor, patient and nobody else in between. Its efficient, cost effective and you dont rely on bureaucrats making medical decisions between you and your doctor. Government has no business in the medical community outside of consumer protections.
Your stuck looking at todays costs thinking I like the status quo which isnt true. Its expensive for a reason and I dont want to repeat myself a 5th time, lol
ax1
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Besides European countries being high tax economic fragile shytholes run by corrupt disgraceful racist EU un-elected Bureaucrats I dont want to ever live in long term, what you stated here reminded me of this article I just ran into yesterday which I found for you here.
So much for false government promises, and I wonder why there are massive protests all over Europe???
The truth is when the money is gone, they raise taxes and still let people die.
Coronavirus has revealed gaping holes in European social safety nets that are often seen as the gold standard. While many countries introduced support programs for workers affected by the pandemic, people are falling through the cracks. Most often, those who were already suffering the effects of inequality are hit the hardest — lower-income workers, those in insecure jobs, young people, women and minority ethnic groups.
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ax1
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Let me remind you, Ive said this in the past. If you think I want a government who got caught putting our troops in hospital basements to die even though they had treatable illnesses/injuries in order to cut costs then thats just silly. If you want to know how socialized medicine looks like in the USA, there you have it.
No thanks.
thebigt
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just a little pin prick-eh
ax1
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Probably the most technically gifted metal band ever. They arent anything like rush, but sometimes they remind me of them. Some of their songs are over 20 minutes.
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(CNN)Florida police raided the home of a former state coronavirus data scientist on Monday, escalating a feud between the state government and a data expert who has accused officials of trying to cover up the extent of the pandemic.
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Jones told CNN that she hadn't improperly accessed any state messaging system and that she lost access to her government computer accounts after she was removed from her position.
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement executed a search warrant Monday morning at the home of data scientist Rebekah Jones, Invalid Link Removedby the state Department of Health in May. The agency is investigating whether Jones accessed a state government messaging system without authorization to urge employees to speak out about coronavirus deaths, according to an affidavit by an agent working on the case.
Jones told CNN that she hadn't improperly accessed any state messaging system and that she lost access to her government computer accounts after she was removed from her position.
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dixonk
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I am not anti healthcare. I am anti govt intrusion into my life and especially into my finances earned my time (slavery) Don’t tell me what to do with my money. Your problems are not automatically my problems. It should be my choice if I want to contribute to the risk pool. By the way I do happen to maintain insurance. I just don’t want to be told that I have to. It’s quite simple. And yeah the ER has to treat you if you go....but you will pay out the ass for that service. 2-5k typically. I have paid it in the past.
I’m happy the govt instituted insurance has benefited you. But that doesn’t make the theft from your govt any less wrong. If you don’t have a choice and they take that money automatically or force you at gunpoint to pay it, we have a word for it, armed robbery. People get 25 years in prison for it m, but when the govt does it they get applauded. Silly.
puccah8808
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I have home insurance, car insurance, life insurance, umbrella insurance, and health insurance, all for my peace of mind. I don’t want to rely on the government or beg people on go fund me to help when I should have been prepared. My parents and siblings are all prepared as well.
ax1
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Speaking of stealing people's money via gunpoint in the name of giving "healthcare"...did know I support gun control laws? I do, I do, its true!
Ron Paul says it best....
“We have eighty-three thousand federal officials carrying guns. Every regulation that is made, every federal law that is written, is done with the idea that there is a gun waiting right there to enforce it. If you don’t pay your taxes or follow the regulation or use your land exactly as they tell you to, if you cut down a tree you’re not supposed to or fill in a ditch, a gun will come and take your money, take your land, or put you in jail. Everything that is done up here is based on a gun. It’s an armed state. It has gotten so big already, it’s going to be hard to stop.”
He pauses, then smiles and says, “You know, I’m for gun control. I want to get the guns out of the hands of the bureaucrats.”
ax1
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I would highly consider voting for a Republican for Prez if Rand ran, depending on who is on the L ticket but really I think the real L choice no brainier would be Rand no matter what his label. I definitely would have picked Rand over Jorgensen.
ax1
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By Ron Paul
Some Federal Reserve officials are calling for tougher banking regulations in order to prevent the Fed’s low interest rate policy from leading investors to take “excessive” risks that will create asset bubbles. The Fed is understandably worried that these bubbles will burst leading to another market meltdown. However, the boom-and-bust cycle will not end because regulators stop investors from taking “excessive” risks. Almost every bubble and economic downturn America has experienced over the past 107 years was caused by the Federal Reserve’s manipulation of the money supply.
The Federal Reserve’s actions artificially lower interest rates, thus distorting the signals sent by the rates, which are the price of money. Artificially low interest rates cause investments to be made in projects that are not supported by the real underlying market conditions. This results in a boom, inevitably followed by a crash, then by a new round of money creation and government bailouts restarting the cycle.
Increased regulations will not just fail to head off the next crash, they will make the next recession worse. Federal regulators are not capable of determining what is “excessive” risk. Instead, that determination is best left to market participants. Regulators are subject to having the same Fed-induced distorted view of the marketplace as nearly everyone else. Thus, regulators may mistake a growing asset bubble as a thriving sector of the economy that will serve as a long-term source of growth. This is especially the case if, as with the housing bubble, government policies such as the Community Reinvestment Act encourage the malinvestments. Also, regulators may impede the growth of businesses that are actually responding to real economic conditions instead of Fed-created illusions.
Support among the people, if not among the financial and political elites, for auditing and even ending the Fed, as well as for cryptocurrencies and precious metals, suggests we may soon reach what Ludwig von Mises referred to as the “crack-up.” The crack-up occurs when enough people realize that continuous expanding of the money supply, and the accompanying decline in a currency’s purchasing power, is a feature of central banking. Therefore, they spend their money as soon as they get it, accelerating the rise of hyperinflation.
Concerns over the effects of the US government’s debt, the precarious American economic condition, and growing resentment of US foreign policy have led to a decline in the dollar’s international value. Eventually, these factors will lead to a rejection of the dollar’s world reserve currency status.
Rejection of the dollar’s reserve currency status abroad and the crack-up at home will cause an economic meltdown worse than the Great Depression. Among the problems this will lead to is increased violence as some Americans who believe they are entitled to live off the stolen property of others cut out the government middleman and start stealing from their fellow citizens.
The only way to avoid this fate is to spread the ideas of liberty among the people. A strong liberty movement that can pressure politicians to cut spending, audit and end the Fed, legalize competing currencies, and stop promoting divisive identity politics is the key to peacefully transitioning away from the Keynesian welfare-warfare state to a free society.
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By Ron Paul
Some Federal Reserve officials are calling for tougher banking regulations in order to prevent the Fed’s low interest rate policy from leading investors to take “excessive” risks that will create asset bubbles. The Fed is understandably worried that these bubbles will burst leading to another market meltdown. However, the boom-and-bust cycle will not end because regulators stop investors from taking “excessive” risks. Almost every bubble and economic downturn America has experienced over the past 107 years was caused by the Federal Reserve’s manipulation of the money supply.
The Federal Reserve’s actions artificially lower interest rates, thus distorting the signals sent by the rates, which are the price of money. Artificially low interest rates cause investments to be made in projects that are not supported by the real underlying market conditions. This results in a boom, inevitably followed by a crash, then by a new round of money creation and government bailouts restarting the cycle.
Increased regulations will not just fail to head off the next crash, they will make the next recession worse. Federal regulators are not capable of determining what is “excessive” risk. Instead, that determination is best left to market participants. Regulators are subject to having the same Fed-induced distorted view of the marketplace as nearly everyone else. Thus, regulators may mistake a growing asset bubble as a thriving sector of the economy that will serve as a long-term source of growth. This is especially the case if, as with the housing bubble, government policies such as the Community Reinvestment Act encourage the malinvestments. Also, regulators may impede the growth of businesses that are actually responding to real economic conditions instead of Fed-created illusions.
Support among the people, if not among the financial and political elites, for auditing and even ending the Fed, as well as for cryptocurrencies and precious metals, suggests we may soon reach what Ludwig von Mises referred to as the “crack-up.” The crack-up occurs when enough people realize that continuous expanding of the money supply, and the accompanying decline in a currency’s purchasing power, is a feature of central banking. Therefore, they spend their money as soon as they get it, accelerating the rise of hyperinflation.
Concerns over the effects of the US government’s debt, the precarious American economic condition, and growing resentment of US foreign policy have led to a decline in the dollar’s international value. Eventually, these factors will lead to a rejection of the dollar’s world reserve currency status.
Rejection of the dollar’s reserve currency status abroad and the crack-up at home will cause an economic meltdown worse than the Great Depression. Among the problems this will lead to is increased violence as some Americans who believe they are entitled to live off the stolen property of others cut out the government middleman and start stealing from their fellow citizens.
The only way to avoid this fate is to spread the ideas of liberty among the people. A strong liberty movement that can pressure politicians to cut spending, audit and end the Fed, legalize competing currencies, and stop promoting divisive identity politics is the key to peacefully transitioning away from the Keynesian welfare-warfare state to a free society.
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Jiigzz
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Yeah, because it's the smart thing to do. How much do you pay for health insurance?
Jiigzz
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I don't blame you for wanting less govt, especially if the below is true. But if you are going to pay taxes, which you will, where is the money best spent?
I'd much rather pay $1k in taxes for subsidized healthcare if that means my taxes dont go to plugging the gaps of tax loops where I see no benefit.
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ax1
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She doesnt wanna end up in a VA hospital basement rotting away to cut government costs since they are already 26 trillion+ and trusting your life to corrupt criminals is a smart thing to do.
Clearly you show all the evidence that what I have been saying is true, we have the most corrupt fascist evil government in the history of civilization and you think the solution to our problems is digging a bigger hole.
puccah8808
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Work pays 100% for my premium, but we have a $2000 yearly deductible. I much rather pay for a premium to get better insurance, or the hospital and coverage I want.
Right now everyone feels like we have a socialist healthcare at work because “free” is not really free when our hands are tied to benefits that really do not benefit us. This is why many have left the company. Pay may be good, but benefits are hurting us.
Before deductible:
Video visit-$117
Office visit-$265
Medication-$660 for 1
New prescriptions- Per insurance, I have to be on my death bed first.
After hitting my deductible:
Video visit-Free
Office visit-Free
Medication-$30 for 1
New prescriptions- Per insurance, I still have to be on my death bed first.
dixonk
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I should not be paying taxes based off of my time and labor whatsoever. It’s slavery and the govt are armed robbers. I don’t agree with 99.9% of govt spending which makes the fact they are stealing from me that much more irritating.
tyga tyga
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My insurance deductible is $2k (zero copay, and I’ve yet to pay more than $1 on generic meds that I’ve used in the past) A single box of my shots cost $4k (multiply that by 12 because a single box is one month supply)- the company has a “support” program so, i only pay $10. However, my insurance takes the full $4k.
My homeowners insurance is $65/mo and when my wife or I die, they pay the home off. Totally worth it.
My homeowners insurance is $65/mo and when my wife or I die, they pay the home off. Totally worth it.
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puccah8808
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I’m pretty jealous. I got the living benefit life insurance. If anything happens while I’m alive (cancer, illness), they’ll pay out 75%.
puccah8808
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Goooooo Texas!
GreenMachineX
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That’s awful!
puccah8808
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Just got an email about a bill. Now I will have to fight my insurance AGAIN because I hit my deductible and everything should be covered 100%.
HIT4ME
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The healthcare insurance thing is such a farce. People love to beat the science drum but love to ignore experimental evidence in government policy.
We ran a test on government mandated insurance in MA under Romney and it has been a train wreck. Obama decided to ignore the train wreck and put the entire US on the same tracks.
The government cannot run the postal service, dmv, or even the darned VA efficiently. I am not sure why anyone thinks it is a good idea to make them responsible for our health, especially in emergency situations.
On the other hand, we do have another experiment that tests the economics of Healthcare in a capitalistic environment - Lasik. I.surance wouldn't pay and prices have come down dramatically and more and more people can afford it without insurance.
Is there Grey area between those two extremes? Sure. But you can't beat the drum on one extreme side of the argument (the govt should mandate health imsurance) while ignoring the experimental evidence and then act like everyone else is ignoring the grey area.
I would rather have a healthcare system that didn't make me wait for 3 hours when I showed up in the emergency room, allowed my doctor to spend more than 10 minutes rushing through my records and listing incorrect medications on my chart because he is in such a rush, and actually provides true care than what we have in the US. Sure, I am covered and won't go bankrupt if an illegal alien without insurance almost kills me with his car...whoopee. I will still be hit by someone that shouldn't be here, that will get free treatment like me, and my suffering will get the minimum treatment deemed to be required. Of course this poor service leads to repeat visits and further burdens the system.
To quote Ray Stanz shortly after losing his job at the university, "No, you don't understand. I've worked in the private sector. They expect results."
We ran a test on government mandated insurance in MA under Romney and it has been a train wreck. Obama decided to ignore the train wreck and put the entire US on the same tracks.
The government cannot run the postal service, dmv, or even the darned VA efficiently. I am not sure why anyone thinks it is a good idea to make them responsible for our health, especially in emergency situations.
On the other hand, we do have another experiment that tests the economics of Healthcare in a capitalistic environment - Lasik. I.surance wouldn't pay and prices have come down dramatically and more and more people can afford it without insurance.
Is there Grey area between those two extremes? Sure. But you can't beat the drum on one extreme side of the argument (the govt should mandate health imsurance) while ignoring the experimental evidence and then act like everyone else is ignoring the grey area.
I would rather have a healthcare system that didn't make me wait for 3 hours when I showed up in the emergency room, allowed my doctor to spend more than 10 minutes rushing through my records and listing incorrect medications on my chart because he is in such a rush, and actually provides true care than what we have in the US. Sure, I am covered and won't go bankrupt if an illegal alien without insurance almost kills me with his car...whoopee. I will still be hit by someone that shouldn't be here, that will get free treatment like me, and my suffering will get the minimum treatment deemed to be required. Of course this poor service leads to repeat visits and further burdens the system.
To quote Ray Stanz shortly after losing his job at the university, "No, you don't understand. I've worked in the private sector. They expect results."