Sustanon vs Test E/C for TRT
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StarScream66
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I'm seeing 6-12 days. But deconate has a very interesting property where it gets stored in fat cells. So, you can pop a positive test from using a deconate ester up to 18 months after use.
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MadStax
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Do you mean undecanoate? 3 weeks to a month depending on the delivery.
trumac
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Yeah whichever is in sust my mistake.
StarScream66
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Testosterone propionate/testosterone phenylpropionate/testosterone isocaproate/testosterone decanoate
MadStax
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Gotcha, Decanoate isn't typically found on its own, which is why I asked. That's the one in Sust. I'm not finding a study on Test D on its own. The estimated half life is two weeks.
MadStax
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Terrible, really! It hangs around in the body for up to two months. Sust was actually invented for TRT, but it was soon found to be the worst approach. Half of it is gone in two weeks and the other half hangs around for two months. Impossible to maintain stable levels.
StarScream66
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In the EU they use Sustanon injections twice weekly for doctor administered TRT. I don't know the dosage, but I assume it's 250mg. That's the experiment I'm trying now along with a Deca blend of 225mg deca durabolin and 75mg of NPP. I inject every 2 weeks. So far, I've put on 10lbs and not much water weight at all. Although I've started taking Nolvadex at 10mg a day because I think my libido is kind of out of whack from deca dick and possibly 2 much estrogen.
trumac
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Not sust. Test d
MadStax
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The thing is, the longer it hangs around, the harder it is to keep your levels stable. You'd think the reverse would be true, but it's not. Go ahead and try straight Test D if you can find it. I'd love to hear how it goes!
trumac
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I’m doing fine with cyp thanks
Mathb33
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Actually my initial answer was everything that needed to be said in this stupid ass thread. So I did contribute enough. You are a living joke in some whatsapps groups. There’s actually nothing wrong you with personally it’s the way you’re presenting yourself that’s wrong. You make yourself seem MUCH more knowledgeable than you actually are.. you’re a fraud and it’s just cringe to see you get corrected every time. Half the forum knows this.
StarScream66
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I'm a fraud? Really? Can you show me examples of my "fraudulent" behavior?
I admit when I'm wrong and I'm willing to do so, it doesn't hurt my feelings or self esteem. You seem to have a huge bug up your ass towards me and I really have no idea why. You're an obvious troll just here to sh!t talk and be the typical "internet tough guy" like I quoted above. Acting like you're a total badass, wanting to fight me IRL because of internet drama.
You don't like me because about how I go about presenting myself? I present myself as a skeptic. Everything needs to be questioned and verified, you can't just take people's word for things because it sounds good or because it agrees with your preconceived notions.
Like I keep saying, I'm on hear to both learn and try and help others with the knowledge I know. I posted a question here asking for a simple opinion and you come in here and want to just sh!t talk me. Why? You must be a pretty sad and pathetic person to keep coming back to this thread to try and insult and belittle me. If you don't like me, put me on ignore.
As far as @jrock645 & @trumac I'm not sure what problems you have with me either. Jrock, last we talked you helped me out with a source, so you seemed to be cool with me then. Did something change?
For those of you who have a problem with me, go in the General Chat section, create an O/T post calling me out and I'll respond to every criticism you have of me. I know I am not some kind of flawless human being and I don't know everything and I've admitted that. If I come off as coarse, that's not my intention. I'm just trying to learn and help others learn.
jrock645
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To be clear- I don’t have a problem with you. You’re somebody on a message board. You have no bearing on my life, so I don’t have enough invested for this to constitute a problem. That said, I think some of your ideas are pretty silly and you don’t necessarily do that well when confronted about it.
MadStax
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@Mathb33 and @StarScream66 I think you both contribute a lot to these forums. Your personal attacks really detract from that though! Friendly banter is all good, but maybe take the escalation to a private conversation? Nobody wants to read it here and it makes us all look bad!
StarScream66
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I completely agree. I just came here to ask a question and get trolled. Unfortunately, taking it private won't solve anything, which is why I suggested we move it to another forum.
But I agree @Mathb33 contributes some very knowledgeable stuff to this forum. I just don't have a clue why he dislikes me so much. If we could just have a civil conversation and debate I would have no problem, but he comes in my thread and wants to start sh!t for no reason. It's not a good look.
StarScream66
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Could you give an example? Just to be clear, I have no beef with you or with anybody in this thread. I'm just wondering why so many people hate me.
trumac
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Me? I’m not sure what I said that makes you think that. I haven’t attacked you in the least bit. I added a couple comments and questions to this thread for discussions sake and bc I haven’t used sust and had a question about decanoate. You sure you aren’t meaning someone else?
MadStax
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StarScream66
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trumac
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He tagged me and asked what the problem I had with him. I wasn’t referencing your postsYou're good, bud. Nothing was directed at you!
trumac
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No I used the wow response not the like. As in wow I’m grabbing my popcorn for this. If you remember I’m the one that sent you a source for allbuteral when you were looking for one. The only negative interaction I remember between us is you down voting a gay joke I made in a thread right after I gave you that source lol
MadStax
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Odd that! Sorry, I missed the tag. I retract my earlier statement. Throw hands, not shade!
jrock645
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I have no interest in going back through threads to point stuff out. It’s simply not that important to me.
StarScream66
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Ok, well I mean I'm not necessarily asking you to dig through my past threads for something you think I posted was 'silly', but does something I said in the past come to mind when you say I posted something silly?
jrock645
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this thread as an example... just clinging to the idea of injecting once every two weeks for trt.
StarScream66
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Ok, fair enough. I'm not advocating other people do it, but it's just an experiment I'm doing for myself to see how it works. Like I mentioned, in the EU, Sustanon is injected every 2 weeks because of the longer esters. It's not ideal for muscle building, and I'm basically just doing a TRT cruise.
But, that's why I started this thread to ask, because the 2 week injections don't seem to be working great, so I was thinking of injecting test e/c once a week.
Hope that makes sense.
MadStax
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@StarScream66 bud, hear me out, and please understand this isn't personal. I think you try too hard. You also come across as a know-it-all, even though I believe that's not your intent or even your personal belief. When you make threads/posts that show your lack of knowledge, this makes people upset. Struggling so hard to prove others wrong or prove yourself right rubs people the wrong way. Don't take it to heart and maybe don't have it turned up to 11 all the time? Try to relax and take it on the chin a bit if needed. It's the internet. This place is gym bros and roidheads. Stop feeding the trolls! 
trumac
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I personally inject c twice a week for my TRT. I haven’t tried once a week personally. If you do happen to have success with finding a good ester to inject once a week while keeping peaks and troughs manageable as well as not having e2 shoot up I would be interested to hear about it for sure.
NoAddedHmones
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Did you even read what you just posted?
Its talking about nandrolone metabolites not the ester lol.
Mathb33
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And I’m a troll.
StarScream66
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@StarScream66 bud, hear me out, and please understand this isn't personal. I think you try too hard. You also come across as a know-it-all, even though I believe that's not your intent or even your personal belief. When you make threads/posts that show your lack of knowledge, this makes people upset. Struggling so hard to prove others wrong or prove yourself right rubs people the wrong way. Don't take it to heart and maybe don't have it turned up to 11 all the time? Try to relax and take it on the chin a bit if needed. It's the internet. This place is gym bros and roidheads. Stop feeding the trolls!
I appreciate you posting this. I know I come across very coarse sometimes, but my intent is to look at the science specifically and determine if the claims being made by the person is true or not. Now, I'm not always right, but I have been doing this for 20 years, so it's nothing new to me. I'm not always here to make friends, sometimes people have to be called out (unless they're a board sponsor).
I enjoy a good debate and discussion and I think that's not what's getting across to people. When I post a reply to a person's thread that directly contradicts what they said, I want them to come back and defend their opinion on the matter.
There's a lot of people who rely excessively on logical fallacies.
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and cognitive biases
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Where they have their opinion on the subject ingrained in stone and won't change it no matter how much evidence shows the opposite of what they saying.
Having said that, I respect everyone's right to have their own opinion on their matter and I never insult or disrespect anyone for having a difference of opinion. I try and be as diplomatic as possible in these debates.
So, I consider this forum a bit like a debate club. I really enjoy a good debate and, as I mentioned above, I follow the work of Carl Sagan, The Great Randi (RIP), Penn & Teller and other debunkers of pseudoscience and misinformation. It sort of becomes personal to me.
I really wish I could change my signature so I could put all that information in, such as that I want to engage with you in a civil debate and I respect everyone's opinions, but unfortunately, I cannot.
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So, as you can see, they both start dropping off at around day 5. So a twice a week injection isn't that unwarranted. My personal philosophy is that I just don't want to become a pin cushion, so I'd really rather inject once a week.
The original question was about the deconate ester.
StarScream66
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Maybe @trumac can clear this up, but my take was he was asking about the half life of the deconate ester, not nandrolone.
trumac
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I was specifically asking about decanoate ester, not nandrolone
trumac
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Once a week would most likely “work”. I’d like to hear some anecdotal evidence and subjective opinions on the feel. So, again, if you do try this I would like to hear about your experience with itI appreciate you posting this. I know I come across very coarse sometimes, but my intent is to look at the science specifically and determine if the claims being made by the person is true or not. Now, I'm not always right, but I have been doing this for 20 years, so it's nothing new to me. I'm not always here to make friends, sometimes people have to be called out (unless they're a board sponsor).
I enjoy a good debate and discussion and I think that's not what's getting across to people. When I post a reply to a person's thread that directly contradicts what they said, I want them to come back and defend their opinion on the matter.
There's a lot of people who rely excessively on logical fallacies.
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and cognitive biases
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Where they have their opinion on the subject ingrained in stone and won't change it no matter how much evidence shows the opposite of what they saying.
Having said that, I respect everyone's right to have their own opinion on their matter and I never insult or disrespect anyone for having a difference of opinion. I try and be as diplomatic as possible in these debates.
So, I consider this forum a bit like a debate club. I really enjoy a good debate and, as I mentioned above, I follow the work of Carl Sagan, The Great Randi (RIP), Penn & Teller and other debunkers of pseudoscience and misinformation. It sort of becomes personal to me.
I really wish I could change my signature so I could put all that information in, such as that I want to engage with you in a civil debate and I respect everyone's opinions, but unfortunately, I cannot.
Well, I did some digging in Invalid Link Removed and found the following charts.
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So, as you can see, they both start dropping off at around day 5. So a twice a week injection isn't that unwarranted. My personal philosophy is that I just don't want to become a pin cushion, so I'd really rather inject once a week.
The original question was about the deconate ester.
StarScream66
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I'll definitely keep you updated. I've actually decided to plan a little fat loss cycle for myself. I'm going to be using 250mg of test cyp a week, along with either 200 or 400mg of masteron enanthate, along with Winstrol with other fat loss accessories for hopefully what will be a real good cut.
NoAddedHmones
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Yeah thats good and all. But that article has nothing to do with what he said about that ester storing in fat cells lol.
StarScream66
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I was pointing out to him that the deconate ester has a unique attribute. It stores in fat cells, so can be detected up to 18 months after taking it. That had to do with his question.
Why are you arguing this with me? This is stupid.
NoAddedHmones
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Because that is factually incorrect and doesn’t make sense.
StarScream66
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What am I factually incorrect about?
BCseacow83
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roidcalc plug your numbers in and find a combo that makes a pretty graph that is you your liking.
Please keep in mind what is "standard prescription practices" and "optimal practices" are sometimes worlds apart. I had one doc want TC every three weeks. They still prescribe once weekly vitamin D2 here as well. All far from ideal but some docs, like all professions, are not up to date/lazy.
Please keep in mind what is "standard prescription practices" and "optimal practices" are sometimes worlds apart. I had one doc want TC every three weeks. They still prescribe once weekly vitamin D2 here as well. All far from ideal but some docs, like all professions, are not up to date/lazy.
StarScream66
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TC?
trumac
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Test cyp would be my guess
bad rad
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All esters spike after injection. Even Nebido (Test Undecanoate) sends levels above the norm but it's the decay curve that changes with esters. Steroid half life isn't when half is left, it's when blood levels drop to half of the initial spike. Same drug but different esters and dosages compared.
