OL PH Cycle Recommendation (Clean Bulk)

hardtoget

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It's been a little over 2 years since I've ran a PH or AAS cycle. I've battled through lower back facet joint arthritis and can say stem cells (w/adipose) have given me my life back. Back when the designer steroid ban passed I stocked up on most OL prohormones at that time so I plan on gradually running 1-2 cycles per year for a few years (slow but steady). Now I know many have told me why don't you run just AAS cycles and skip the PH's, well I've been burned in the past by bunk AAS and have competed in the past while running OL PH's with much success. I've been running Dermacrine for the past 4-weeks with a clean bulk diet (recommended by Sadik) and have seen great results thus far (3 pumps a day). I'm currently 5'10", 192lb, 15%bf and want to compete in Classic Physique within a couple of years but ideally want to hit 210-215 (8-10%bf). I am on TRT so not too worried about shutting down but am very careful with On-Cycle support, Extra Liver and Cardio care, while maintaining a good diet, eating and drinking clean, while also donating blood as often as possible. Below are the compounds I have to my disposal outside of AAS that I have (holding off AAS until pre-competition phase in 2022). Would really like the advice of this forum on a good 6-8 week clean bulk, like to stay on the dryer side but really like DermaTrest however the conversion to E2 has been a bit much on my end in the past. May front load an AI a couple days before along with front loading On Cycle Support/K1ngsGuard 1-2 weeks prior.

Transdermals
Dermatrest
Dermatren
Dermafury

Orals
Hexadrone (AAR)
Trest (AAR)
Tr1umph
The1
DMZ
Dimethadrol
Halo-100
Stenabol
Ep1stane
Tr3n

On Cycle Care
Ar1macare Pro
K1ngsguard
Tudca
Slow-release Niacin
Formestane Transdermal
Arjuna (BP Support)

PCT
Sup3r PCT
Wicked PCT (AAR)
Anti-Catabolic (Xi-KT)
Continue Cardio Support (Arjuna, Niacin, Cholestrol Support NOW Labs)

I'm considering running a transdermal with an oral (oral a max of 4-6 weeks) so am looking at Dermatrest/Halo, Dermatrest/Hex, Dermatrest/Tren, Dermatrest/Tr1umph. I'm also considering just a Halo-100 cycle alone or Heaxdrone added to TRT due to Trest's infertility effects which hit me pretty hard in my past. My wife and I ended up going through multiple rounds of IVF and happy to say the 3rd try worked. So a Halo, Tr1umph, or Hex only cycle may be good for a first cycle in a couple years and then I can take it slow to build myself up to competition level.
 
Perhaps Hexadrone alone is very mild, but you can stack it with Halo or Tr1umph. By the way, don't use XI-KT for PCT because it's suppressive.
 
Good call on Xi-KT, I've ran into issues with elevated cortisol during PCT. Is it true elevating GH during PCT can help modulate the cataboli response? At least that is something I've heard to help combat cortisol during PCT.
 
AFAIK, GH on PCT can help to retain some muscle acting on IGF-1. Also you can block cortisol with 7-oxo-DHEA or transdermal b-AET.
 
DermaTrest/halo/hex would prob be my choice
 
Trest/halo/hex would prob be my choice
 
Trest, epi or halo, hexadrone for me.... I want to run the one/d plex sometime soon. Feel great on that stuff.
 
I like the DT/halo/hex run, especially since I shouldn’t need a test base and at least hex will help cut some of the estrogen conversion. Would a dose and length of each compound look like this:
Trest 50/50/75/75/75/75/50/25
Halo 50/50/75/100/100/100
Hex 100/100/200/200/200/100

6 weeks max on orals and 8 week max on transdermal. I want to try tapering while restarting TRT and of course running PCT more for just overall health than restoring HPTA which in my case won’t happen.
 
Anyone ever try short/burst cycles with PH’s? Like maybe 4 weeks on with 5-6lb solid gains and able to keep most of it with not being shut down as hard.
 
That is a LOT of AAS to be using at once, especially all the orals - some of which are methylated. Make sure you're using a good Invalid Link Removed supplement to keep yourself healthy.

Honestly, I think it would be easier and safer for you to go the black market route and just run a few compounds instead of all that stuff together. Just my 2¢.
 
StarScream66 said:
That is a LOT of AAS to be using at once, especially all the orals - some of which are methylated. Make sure you're using a good Invalid Link Removed supplement to keep yourself healthy.

Honestly, I think it would be easier and safer for you to go the black market route and just run a few compounds instead of all that stuff together. Just my 2¢.
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Did you read his post? He was asking for recommendations and gave a comprehensive list of what he had on hand.
 
I mean 3 compounds but td trest skips 1st pass and is the "milder" 7a (to my understanding), halo is considered not super harsh, and hex is non methyl... Long as not stupid doses/duration shouldn't be too bad, subjective of course.

Isn't hex sweet spot in 100's iirc?
 
I’ve ran methylated compounds before and did have some elevated liver enzymes that I nipped in the but with high doses of NAC. I have plenty of Tudca on hand and would run Ar1macare Pro with my favorite health compound of all time, K1ngsguard. Slow release Niacin with Arjuna for no support. Let me tell ya Arjuna is so strong it makes me have low bp so I know the stuff works well. I may just run a Dermatrest/hex or Dematrest/halo. I’d like to use less just to see which compound goes well for me. I realize black market maybe an avenue but I once ran Sustanon and Deca and due to the fact my Sust was fake I had a terrible time absolutely awful experience with Deca. It caused almost permanent damage from the suppression.
 
I’ve ran methylated compounds before and did have some elevated liver enzymes that I nipped in the but with high doses of NAC. I have plenty of Tudca on hand and would run Ar1macare Pro with my favorite health compound of all time, K1ngsguard. Slow release Niacin with Arjuna for no support. Let me tell ya Arjuna is so strong it makes me have low bp so I know the stuff works well. I may just run a Dermatrest/hex or Dematrest/halo. I’d like to use less just to see which compound goes well for me. I realize black market maybe an avenue but I once ran Sustanon and Deca and due to the fact my Sust was fake I had a terrible time absolutely awful experience with Deca. It caused almost permanent damage from the suppression.
 
Afi140 said:
Did you read his post? He was asking for recommendations and gave a comprehensive list of what he had on hand.
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No, it was all bunched up so I just kind of skimmed it. Guess I should have read it.

It really helps when people indent their posts though, makes for easier reading.
 
Dermatrest with oral Trest and Epistane or The 1.

Epistane will give more gains with that combo but will be the harsher option - The One is all great feels & libido, and the better option if quality of life is the higher priority. Both would help offset the methylestrogen Trest will cause in the battle against gyno.

I would save the Tren/Dermatren for when you are looking to cut/recomp later, perhaps with Mdiaz (Triumph) or Ddrol (Mithras) as both are drier options. Trendione made me strong as hell at 150+mg daily. Dermafury was supposed to be a decent cutting aid, and 11KT definitely was for me.

DMZ and Msten are good size adders, and they could be stacked with other milder things like Halodrol or Hexadrone for a bit more mass if needed. They have even been stacked with each other, Ddrol, Triumph, and so on, but too many solid doses of potent methyls can end up being more suffering than gains. It can make appetite a barrier to growing quicker than you would like.

Most of these methyls are going to trash your lipids particularly, and that takes a while to recover. Just stating for awareness. They can be great for a couple years to accelerate the process, but you can’t go that route forever. You also want to get back on TRT ASAP if you want to make all of this worth it.
 
UNX said:
Is the same as The One, right? I think it is very androgenic but not a good bulker, based on what I read. Never tried it though.
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Correct. Stacker, primarily for cutting or adding strength or just good feels.
 
So after doing some more research and knowing my past experience with Trestolone went well but had to deal with high estrogen issues, I’ve narrowed my clean bulk cycle options to these 2:

Dermatrest (50/50/75/75/75/75/50/25)
Hexadrone (100/200/200/100)
Formestane and Anastrazole on hand for AI


Dermatrest (50/50/75/75/75/75/50/25)
Dimethadrol (10/20/20/10)
Formestane and Anastrazole on hand for AI
Extra Tudca for liver support, Cycle care, additional cardio care (Nattokinase, Niacin, K1ngsguard)

I like the option of Dimethadrol as it has anti-estrogenic properties with great mass potential. Hoping for 10-12lb gain with a good diet plan I’m currently on.
 
hardtoget said:
So after doing some more research and knowing my past experience with Trestolone went well but had to deal with high estrogen issues, I’ve narrowed my clean bulk cycle options to these 2:

Dermatrest (50/50/75/75/75/75/50/25)
Hexadrone (100/200/200/100)
Formestane and Anastrazole on hand for AI


Dermatrest (50/50/75/75/75/75/50/25)
Dimethadrol (10/20/20/10)
Formestane and Anastrazole on hand for AI
Extra Tudca for liver support, Cycle care, additional cardio care (Nattokinase, Niacin, K1ngsguard)

I like the option of Dimethadrol as it has anti-estrogenic properties with great mass potential. Hoping for 10-12lb gain with a good diet plan I’m currently on.
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If by Dimethadrol you mean Mithras/Dimethandrostenol, you won’t even feel it at that dose.

Guys take 30-60mg, with 30-40 being stacker doses. 45mg is like the minimum oral dose, and even then guys weren’t seeing any big weight increases. They totally screwed the marketing, like it was going to be the next Superdrol, but it was just a dry strength compound worth several lean lbs.
 
May just consider running MonsterPlexx for my next PH run and try out the Andro line. I like the energy and sex drive that come with andro's and want to try out a supplement with cyclosome technology. I swear by liposomal type supplements for absorption so I'm curious. I'd like to see how much I gain from a 6-8 week on the new MonsterPlexx formula with my diet and hydration in check. If it's a good 6-8lb I'll most likely aim for a cut in early Spring. I'm going to run OL's natural GH boost product (K1ngslayer) along with MonsterPlexx.
 
The1/Dplex is similar to running proviron on an AAS cycle. Good strength gains, great increase in sex drive, leans you out with DHT, and very minimal sides.
 
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