Liver & kidney support, Liv 51 alternative

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During cycle, I'm being told I should take liv51 minimum for liver support. My question is there something that I can take to cover Liver and kidney in one pill? If not, what alternatives can I take for liv51, is there a specific ingredient or ingredients that I can buy separately to do it myself ?
 
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CEL Cycle Assist
You can add TUDCA for extra support
Agreed on this. CEL has great support products such as Cycle Assist and Tudca if needed.
 

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You can add TUDCA for extra support
Now much tudca a day? I hear Nac is another main thing and was wondering how much?

Piana 5% organ stuff is supposed ot be GREAT but does not have tudca. I used purus organ shield with sarms but honeslty it does not seems like it has enough for use with orals.

Somwhere i read tudca has to be taken like on an empty stomach or your oral steroids do or you ahve to take tudca so long before or after the orals?
 

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You can add TUDCA for extra support
So this is causing me the same issue as the liv51, i can't find this stuff, especially for a fair price for Canada.. so what I was trying to ask in my OG post was can I not just buy the ingredients such as milk thistle separately? What do i really need?
 

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Nac, tudca, astragalus, silymarin, sam e

Cel Cycle assist is nice for ingredients that help other things that are effected, not just the liver/kidneys and dosed pretty nicely... Most I see have some of the right ingredients but often not at the norm dose.
 
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Be careful with taking Sam-E. It can cause some weird psychological side effects in those prone to it.

Although side-effects are not commonly reported with SAMe, numerous studies note a small set of participants who experience mania after supplementing SAMe. It is not common, but it does appear to be related to SAMe supplementation for unknown reasons; it has been reported in some persons without history of mania as well and does not appear to be related to any pathological condition per se.
 

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I read somewhere hawthorne berry is good for bp. Also check to see what pianas 5% organ and liver guard is there. That is supposed to work really good. A buddy uses that when he is on oral
 

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LOL did not say he made good decisions but the liver support is supposed to be pretty good. I like all in one products its hard to find one with tudca and nac though. My undestanding is tudca is the best
 
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Say CEL, why not add TUDCA to Cycle Assist and make it completely comprehensive?
 
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Hey guys just wanted to confirm, I ended up finding liv52 on amazon, it became available.. is this the correct stuff I need for liver support? thanks guys

Looks alright but $CAD 50 bucks? And how does a vegetarian capsule have "vanilla" flavor? I don't bro, you might as well get SNS Liver Assists XT for like half the price from DPS or Purus Labs Organ Defender or CEL Cycle Assist or Myogenic Liver Fix.
 

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During cycle, I'm being told I should take liv51 minimum for liver support. My question is there something that I can take to cover Liver and kidney in one pill? If not, what alternatives can I take for liv51, is there a specific ingredient or ingredients that I can buy separately to do it myself ?
maybe i missed it but what are running?
 
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It looks like they changed the formula dramatically for the originally Liv 52 and I don't recognize ANY of the ingredients. It's a bunch of weird herbs and stuff that aren't at all what it used to have, like milk thistle, etc.

I would avoid that and go with one of the other recommendations made in this thread.
 

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Looks alright but $CAD 50 bucks? And how does a vegetarian capsule have "vanilla" flavor? I don't bro, you might as well get SNS Liver Assists XT for like half the price from DPS or Purus Labs Organ Defender or CEL Cycle Assist or Myogenic Liver Fix.
I live in Canada so a lot of these cycles you guys recommend are from the states.. anybody have a good website I can go to that possibly offers free shipping after a certain amount?
 

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You really don't need liver support for esterfied injectable steroids since they are non-hepatoxic. But you still could benefit from Iron Man Labs Cycle Support or CEL Cycle Assist to help with the other side effects from the testosterone. Otherwise, that's a very safe cycle.
So when would I usually need liver support for a cycle, I was debating on Test Ethanate before, which btw, three questions, what type of test do you recommend the most, is sus any worse or better than test ethanate? I just went with what my friend had got me. When you say I would still benefit from iron mans lab cycle support, or cel cycle assist, what benefits would I be getting from buying this. Finally, could you check out my other thread here? I'm trying to get some PCT help and making sure i'm taking the right amount of armidex https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/first-sustanon-cycle.319720/#post-6431412

thank you for your reply.
 

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Nac is a staple for many even off methyls. Antioxidant, free radical protection, see it used in nootropic boards for mental health benefits apart from liver benefits as well.
 

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Nac is a staple for many even off methyls. Antioxidant, free radical protection, see it used in nootropic boards for mental health benefits apart from liver benefits as well.
What is "Nac" and youre saying I should be taking it as a daily supplement on and off-cycle, indefinitely?
 

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"N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) is a prodrug for L-cysteine, which is used for the intention of allowing more glutathione to be produced when it would normally be depleted. Through glutathione buffering, NAC provides antioxidative effects and other benefits."

Just an examine.com summary c/p

N-Acetyl cysteine. Yeah I personally use it year round for general health.
 

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"N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) is a prodrug for L-cysteine, which is used for the intention of allowing more glutathione to be produced when it would normally be depleted. Through glutathione buffering, NAC provides antioxidative effects and other benefits."

Just an examine.com summary c/p

N-Acetyl cysteine. Yeah I personally use it year round for general health.
So any reason why you wouldn't just take more glutathione supplements as opposed to letting this allow your body to produce more?
 

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Many guys i know dont really run alot of stuff with just injectibles until you are shooting over 500mg. I know all the issues i had ( rbc, hemocrit and hemoglobin) were all solved with donating blood which i never did till i was on trt and a couples cyles for nearly 2 years. now with orals you ALWAYS want cycle support and it cant hurt with others. Top names are mentioned in the thread. Organ and liver guard by 5% nutrition is also used by some it has nac but not tudca. Many forums dedicated TOTALLY to anabolics seem to say Tudca and NAC are the top things then other stuff like hawthorne berry.
 

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Yea I was just saying as a side note. Just depends on what you want to do really. Like it's not going to hurt not taking a joint support but may benefit from it if you if you do even if not dried out from something like epi. For the price I just run a few things like nac, astragalus, etc along with a good multi, orange triad specifically, just for general health.

Heard of nac and glut running together but haven't looked too deep into it. Nac might off more broader benefits in comparison? Not 100 percent sure.
 

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Yea I was just saying as a side note. Just depends on what you want to do really. Like it's not going to hurt not taking a joint support but may benefit from it if you if you do even if not dried out from something like epi. For the price I just run a few things like nac, astragalus, etc along with a good multi, orange triad specifically, just for general health.

Heard of nac and glut running together but haven't looked too deep into it. Nac might off more broader benefits in comparison? Not 100 percent sure.
What do you take for liver and organ support?
 

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What do you take for liver and organ support?
All the time specifically just nac from 600 to a gram, because I take alot of pills and it's cheap and lots of benefits. If I find a good deal tudca 250 mg is a nice maintenance dose and lots of benefits including being prob the "strongest" liver support. Astragalus, mainly kidney support, a gram a day at 70% standardized but many take 2 to 3.
 

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So is that all that's really needed, buying milk thistle and NAC separately, would you say?
No. But it’s a start for normal every day,proper liver function/health. Only my opinion of course.
Being on cycle is a different story
 

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milk thisle and nac enough for dbol or do you need tudca?
 

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