Donald Trump running for president
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thebigt
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there isn't anything to forget, it's not like i take you seriously
thebigt
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as we speak, just chillin..... just found out lomachenko is fighting on saturday, great news
ax1
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Yeah Ill be watching for sure. Just hope both fighters dont put social justice tatoos on their chest and distract from the purpose of the event, lol
ax1
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Just found out Terrance Crawford if fighting Kell Brooke. Kell is one heck of a solid fighter, took a big risk fighting GGG but he is what I would think Crawford's biggest test yet. November 14.
ax1
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Not a bad way to finish the rest of the year.
Key dates:
- Oct. 17: Las Vegas, Nevada -- Vasiliy Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez Jr., 12 rounds, for Lomachenko's WBO and WBA lightweight titles and Lopez's IBF lightweight title
- Oct. 31: San Antonio, Texas -- Gervonta Davis vs. Leo Santa Cruz, 12 rounds, for Davis' WBA lightweight title and Santa Cruz's WBA junior lightweight title
- Oct. 31: Las Vegas, Nevada -- Naoya Inoue (19-0, 16 KOs) vs. Jason Moloney (21-1, 18 KOs), 12 rounds, for Inoue's IBF/WBA bantamweight titles
- Nov. 21: TBA -- Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II, 12 rounds, heavyweights
- Nov. 28: Carson, California -- Mike Tyson vs. Roy Jones Jr., 8 rounds exhibition, heavyweights
- Dec. 5: Dallas, Texas -- Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia, 12 rounds, for Spence's IBF and WBC welterweight titles
thebigt
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3-4 years ago i would have called loma a clear cut favorite...i see it as a toss up betting wise although i will be rooting for loma as sentimental favorite.
actually i think lomachenko will be the dog as far as odds go, if odds go far enough for lopez i might put $50 down on loma just for old times sake.
Ricky10
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There is certainly no reason to believe any of this will go smoothly...haha. The mail in ballots will be an issue and already have caused problems. This will be the start of the post election chaos and people still won’t end up giving Trump credit for voicing his concerns about that months ago. There is no telling what will happen in the midst of that aftermath.
One thing we know is that Trump is smarter than Biden, Harris, and Pelosi. They even know that and it drives them crazy to the point where they feel they have nothing to stand on but lies and painting false pictures. Much like the past four years, Trump certainly must be anticipating the same ongoing corrupt efforts from his opposition to get him out of their way through any means possible.
Pelosi in power is definitely a fear of many, and would certainly represent the ultimate undoing of this country as we know it. I don’t think that would ever actually happen though, as I don’t think the powers above would subject us to anything that hideous. She would definitely be struck down by lightning or blown away by a sandstorm in no time.
On a positive note, it seems that the racial justice hoax has subsided a bit recently...or did I just stop paying attention? Maybe the media finally got sick of it too
ax1
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On a positive note, it seems that the racial justice hoax has subsided a bit recently...or did I just stop paying attention? Maybe the media finally got sick of it too
I am thinking they are simply going by the numbers....they suck and drain anything they can and ride it as long as they can until they make up the next one everything is obsessed about.
Remember the days of the "War on Terror" and the terror alert system? I mean really, did that magically go away???? Or Kim-Jong-BigBum nuking the US? One after another. I dont buy none of the bullcrap.
sammpedd88
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There is certainly no reason to believe any of this will go smoothly...haha. The mail in ballots will be an issue and already have caused problems. This will be the start of the post election chaos and people still won’t end up giving Trump credit for voicing his concerns about that months ago. There is no telling what will happen in the midst of that aftermath.
One thing we know is that Trump is smarter than Biden, Harris, and Pelosi. They even know that and it drives them crazy to the point where they feel they have nothing to stand on but lies and painting false pictures. Much like the past four years, Trump certainly must be anticipating the same ongoing corrupt efforts from his opposition to get him out of their way through any means possible.
Pelosi in power is definitely a fear of many, and would certainly represent the ultimate undoing of this country as we know it. I don’t think that would ever actually happen though, as I don’t think the powers above would subject us to anything that hideous. She would definitely be struck down by lightning or blown away by a sandstorm in no time.
On a positive note, it seems that the racial justice hoax has subsided a bit recently...or did I just stop paying attention? Maybe the media finally got sick of it too
Good points man. Yeah the racial justice hoax has been hammered enough. Now it’s how Trump instilled fear in everyone over COVID. What a damn lie that is!
Woody
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She’s 3rd in line if president and VP die/are removed. I don’t think that’s the case if there is no President/VP when term ends in January because there is no election or the election winner is unclear. She would also not be the speaker of the house anymore - though it’s fair to assume she will in all probability get to keep that position in the next term.
Uncharted territory that hopefully stays uncharted.
I did find this article interesting:
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Woody
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That’s not how the 25th amendment works. The house just can’t declare a president incompetent and remove him. There’s also that Pence guy. What’s the basis to remove him? Or the basis to remove Harris? Kinda throws a wrench in her plan, no? And then, she still has to get voted back as speaker of the house before she takes over president.
Even ignoring the constitutional flaws of tinfoil plan, the logistics is damn near improbable. She’s also 950 years old as well so her cognitive ability is subject to attack as well.
ax1
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Only assuming she will be speaker of the crackhouse if Demicans keep their seat balance. I wonder how many people are going to vote to stay locked down?
Interestingly, I remember when she obtained that position the last time, they didnt really want her and she promised she would step down withing a couple of years as a temp. Its never been bought up since.
sammpedd88
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Have you not seen the new bill she’s pushing regarding the 25th amendment? I know how it works, but read this article. That’s what I’m referring to.
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Ricky10
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Yeah! Let’s not forget that he is also solely to blame for over 200,000 China plague deaths in the USA!
The biggest presidential failure in history!
sammpedd88
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Yeah! Let’s not forget that he is also solely to blame for over 200,000 China plague deaths in the USA!
The biggest presidential failure in history!
thebigt
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Yeah! Let’s not forget that he is also solely to blame for over 200,000 China plague deaths in the USA!
The biggest presidential failure in history!
HIT4ME
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I hope you are right and you probably are. Thank you for helping me to sleep a little better.
I do, however, hope the polls are wrong about Biden's lead just like they were about Clinton's lead. Granted, Trump was within the margin of error last time, but a Biden/Harris combo is scary AF. Court packing, baby killing, gun confiscating nut bags.
[humor]
"If you don't vote for me, you don't know what collusion is!" - Joe Biden
[/humor]
thebigt
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i turned on the ACB hearing [if thats what you want to call it] in time to hear STOLEN VALOR blumenthall say he is disappointed in her answer....well i am disappointed to see you as a senator you lying pile of horse crap.
harris isn't much better, but at least she hasn't lied about her military service--almost everything else , yes-but not that.
harris isn't much better, but at least she hasn't lied about her military service--almost everything else , yes-but not that.
thebigt
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'emails to hunter biden show plans to meet with state department officials about burisma probe'
the email shows the plans for state department meetings came after a burisma adviser requested hunter biden use his 'influence to convey a message' to 'stop' what he called 'politically motivated actions'.
this would explain why hunter biden was getting paid those big bucks-eh?
the email shows the plans for state department meetings came after a burisma adviser requested hunter biden use his 'influence to convey a message' to 'stop' what he called 'politically motivated actions'.
this would explain why hunter biden was getting paid those big bucks-eh?
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HIT4ME
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It would explain it, I thought we already knew this? This is only news to the dumbest of dumb people.
But of course Facebook and Twitter are blocking these reports. Their reasoning?
“Given the lack of authoritative reporting on the origins of the materials included in the article, we’re taking action to limit the spread of this information,”
Do you think they applied the same standard to stories about tax returns, which have no named source and no tax return? How about unnamed sources he called soldiers losers? Are they stopping the spread of those stories? Or how about when Trump was being investigated and impeached based on a known false report?
Nah. Thay don't have a horse in the race.
sammpedd88
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I find it very amusing that Mark Zuckerberg supports the importance of protecting free expression, but Facebook will block most conservative or anti-Biden posts. Liberals can be so hypocritical about things. That’s another reason why I don’t have any social media accounts. This forum is as close as I get.
HIT4ME
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I support you saying anything you want to say, as long as I agree with it.
Jiigzz
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I have an old VCR that is smarter than Trump.There is certainly no reason to believe any of this will go smoothly...haha. The mail in ballots will be an issue and already have caused problems. This will be the start of the post election chaos and people still won’t end up giving Trump credit for voicing his concerns about that months ago. There is no telling what will happen in the midst of that aftermath.
One thing we know is that Trump is smarter than Biden, Harris, and Pelosi. They even know that and it drives them crazy to the point where they feel they have nothing to stand on but lies and painting false pictures. Much like the past four years, Trump certainly must be anticipating the same ongoing corrupt efforts from his opposition to get him out of their way through any means possible.
Pelosi in power is definitely a fear of many, and would certainly represent the ultimate undoing of this country as we know it. I don’t think that would ever actually happen though, as I don’t think the powers above would subject us to anything that hideous. She would definitely be struck down by lightning or blown away by a sandstorm in no time.
On a positive note, it seems that the racial justice hoax has subsided a bit recently...or did I just stop paying attention? Maybe the media finally got sick of it too
In 100 years time, once we are all well and truly dust, the history books will remember Trump as being the worst President of all time and wonder how bad things must have been to trust someone who believed it acceptable to ask whether we could inject disinfectant and that exercise drained our life expectancy.
We are well and truly in the age of anti-intellectualism, where science is pushed aside in favour of people not "connected to the system". It's ironic that in the age of immense information, we have somehow become dumber than ever. We rely too much on what we can see, feel, smell, hear and touch rather than the interpretations of what other people can see, feel, smell, hear or touch.
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But alas, even the Roman's didn't realise Rome was collapsing until it was too late.
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Jiigzz
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This is literally your logic as well. Which is ironic.
ax1
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Dump obviously isnt a medical expert, but as far as worst president ever, nobody in my 43 years memory comes close to cokehead Bushy. Any opinion piece claiming otherwise is obviously dumber than Dump dumb.
HIT4ME
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Did you ever figure out how to use that VCR or still trying? That would explain why you still have it I guess.
"We rely too much on what we can see, feel, smell, hear and touch rather than the interpretations of what other people can see, feel, smell, hear or touch."
Lol, you are like Biden. Let me give you a history lesson...then say something totally not true.
The world is anti-intellectual. You shouldn't rely on your observations. You should rely on what the powers that be observe and tell you. You do realize that is the opposite of science and intellectual thought, right? The only source of the validity of an idea is experiment.
And you do realize the thinking you are describing describes every authoritarian organization that has fallen. The Nazis told people to ignore what they see and believe what they told them. The church fought the adoption of science.
Most if the world IS "anti-intellectual" and would describe things exactly the way you just did.
Wow, hit a nerve by getting sarcastic about your exhalted sources of info huh? Facebook and Twitter...if those aren't true and useful, where will you ever get you information? Weren't you on here not long ago ranting about how fair and unbiased they are? And using them as a sole source of info?
I challenge you to find one example of me stifling anyone's freedom to say whatever the heck they choose. Just find one example for me. Just on this board alone this will be my 8,500th post. Since that is "literally" my logic, show me an example? Just one? Maybe 2 if you really feel like it?
Or are you just going off emotion rather than facts?
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ax1
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Says these "think tanks" who shut out, silence and delete out anybody who comes across skeptical or have opposing viewpoints even if there is scientific backing to it. That right there is the definition of anti-intellectualism.
thebigt
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to paraphrase a obama qoute....at least trump is president, and you will never be!!!!
thebigt
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jack dorsey just admitted it was wrong to block the hunter biden email article from post...wooohooo-things are getting serious, it's popcorn time!!!!
sammpedd88
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I’m with ya man!
dixonk
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You referring to the same guy that blocks hunter Biden news but allows child pornography on his platform?
thebigt
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the hunter biden story is all over the place...facebook and tweeter blocking just made it a bigger story.
tweet
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aint it sweet
dixonk
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I deleted my twitter a few weeks ago so i am out of the loop on this stuff. It is refreshing not having that crap.
Jiigzz
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Lol, what. Too many people think that trusting people who are experts is being a sheep. The reason people do PhD's in such narrow fields is because the scope otherwise is far too broad for any human to reasonably become an expert in. We research narrowly due to the sheer volume of knowledge.
Noone can be reasonably expected to know everything about everything, and nobody is capable of doing "their own research" at the same level as someone who specializes in that particular field, therefore we MUST rely on the body of research conducted by a multitude of people in the same field.
A few pages back you said youd vote for people like dixon for ax1 as president, then you said youd even vote Woody despite him being wrong about things. In my view, you are subjectively calling him wrong because your values arent the same as his. That isnt Woody being wrong, that is you projecting your values onto someone else and using that to determine right from wrong.
thebigt
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and all you touch and all you see
is all your life will ever be
sammpedd88
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Not only did they block the story, but Twitter suspended the NY Posts official Twitter account for posting the story. WTF????
HIT4ME
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Yeah, what? What a cluster.
Nobody should trust an expert just because they are an "expert". An "expert" can tell you WHY they believe what they believe and show you evidence, the fact that all the experts think one way doesn't make it true. Consensus is meaningless. Some examples?
All the expert doctors who didn't listen to Sammelweis and had him committed and ultimately caused his death for his suggestion they were wrong. But hey, you now spread his idea like the germs he didn't even know he was fighting.
How about in the modern day, where we have spent almost 2 decades with the experts saying, "Fighting amyloid plaques will cure Alzheimers." and only now, after a huge number of failures, are they starting to let go of a hypothesis that has yet to have any success.
On the other hand, what made Newton an expert in Newtonian Physics? I mean, he was a pro, sure, but he had MUCH less to work with than you or I do and look at how much success he had in proving all the other experts wrong.
How about Einstein? Do we accept his laws of relativity just because he was an expert? Because...until he came up with those ideas I believe he was working as a patent clerk. Yes, he had schooling. No one saw him as an "expert" it seems. He became an expert based on the validity of his ideas.
Every idea we have, we didn't have at one point. Someone discovered them. They didn't get a doctorate in those ideas BEFORE they discovered them. If one person could discover an idea from nothing, you would think it is only that much easier to do it again after the initial discover.
I mean, even Feynman talks about "discovering" ideas as a child that he would later learn had been discovered a hundred years earlier and it had a name. Yes, a pre-pubescent kid was figuring things out that the best scientists in the world 100 years earlier would have called crazy. Go figure. Of course, he had "more information at his disposal than anyone before him" in the form of readily printed books and public libraries in almost every town, etc.
But since you like experts so much, and you're teaching us all about intellectualism and science - you rolled right over the statement, "The sole source of the validity of an idea is experiment." I would think you would have recognized that since you're such an intellectual. It's a quote from Feynman. Find me someone more qualified than him that says otherwise. As he will point out, experts know nothing for certain, science knows nothing for certain. The best we have is a map that guides us toward how reality works. Hell, he even said he didn't understand his own ideas.
And it is ironic that you start off your "anti-intellectualism" teachings with a statement along the lines of somehow with more information at our disposal than ever, we have become anti-intellectual - and then follow it up with, "nobody is capable of doing 'their own research" - that is pretty funny.
But your point isn't all invalid. Yes, professionals have more resources at their disposal and hopefully have dedicated their lives to the intellectual pursuit of a narrow field. Their work is very important and useful. We use it all the time on this board. How many of us search pubmed for ideas and observations and knowledge? How many times have YOU taken apart a study for flawed methodology, questionable conclusions, etc? Shouldn't you just listen to them because they are experts with degrees and more resources at their disposal than you have? Surely there is NO WAY you could do your own research and question the "experts"?
Or are you telling me you now see the error in your ways and you won't question ANY published Pubmed studies from this point forward because, "Hey, they're experts. I don't have the resources they have. I can't possibly do my own research or my own thinking."
And yes, no one can be expected to know everything - that IS intellectualism. You can always grow and learn - using a framework of intellectual thought and reasoning. You can learn from experts. You can learn from children. You can learn from the fool at the bar.
Again, like Biden and Harris should learn history before they start giving history lessons in a smug and arrogant tone, you should probably learn about intellectual thought before you try to give a lesson on it as well.
Don't get me wrong. Not saying there is no value at all in experts. If I need help, I'm going to an expert for it if I have one at my disposal. I will also question and learn from that expert and determine how much credit I give that "expert" based on a basis of reasoning. Personally, I can tell you I do this with doctors - having had a lot of experience with many doctors as my grandmother had a hard last 5-10 years of life and my dad had a stroke a few years back and my gf has a rare autoimmune disease.
I have had "expert" doctors who clearly did not know ANYTHING....when I was trying to discuss CYP450 enzymes with her to avoid drug interactions with my grandmother, she thought I was talking about receptor sites, etc. She liked to use her "expert" card a lot. She also thought it was OK to give canabinoids to a woman on warfarin. She also thought 3 years of 2-3 grams a day of Tylenol for a frail, malnourished woman was fine - and refused to give her NAC when her liver failed from it. She also thought 50 mg of Fentanyl and 25 mg oxy a day wasn't overdosing this elderly woman, even though she had glassy eyes and was incoherant....until one day she wouldn't wake up and had to go to the ER and then suddenly they had to drop the doses down.
On the other hand, I've had a lot of experts - my gf's skin doctor (involving her autoimmune disease) who love having these conversations and never play their "expert" card those people are usually the ones who clearly know more than me. I will say, "I read this" or "What about this" or "If this works like this, what about this..." and they will say, "Yeah, but here's the evidence" or "yeah, but here is why it doesn't work that way" or "You would think that, but here's the missing piece that you didn't know about."
Both of the doctors described had PhDs and many years of "experience" - both were "experts". But they are very different in how good they are.
Like someone said earlier in this thread, what do you call a doctor who finishes last in their class? Doctor.
You do realize that:
1. You picked out a very tongue-in-cheek post.
2. This post still doesn't help your case.
Again, being intellectual and allowing for the freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can't call someone's ideas wrong. You just can't stop them from saying them and you have to allow them the freedom to say what they believe - right or wrong. But, equally, if someone is wrong or you believe they are wrong, you have the right to say as much.
In your "example" of me stifling free speech and being "just like Twitter" you have "caught" me telling someone I disagree with that I would vote for them. This backs up your argument that I am like Twitter and "you can say whatever you like as long as I agree with it" in what way? Basically it shows that he can say what he wants, I can disagree, and I could still "vote" for him. Of course this all, obviously, very tongue in cheek because none of the people on here are running for president (yet).
Further, you should keep in mind how many times I've pointed out these discussions ARE much better with guys like you and Woody around. I've not once told you guys to stop, I've encouraged it - it leads to good discussions. I've even defended you personally on some attacks.
Telling someone they are wrong is part of free speech, and the mere suggestion that you cannot tell someone they are wrong IS stifling free speech AND anti-intellectual.
If you don't get any of this, try running it through your VCR. It sounds like it is pretty smart. (Sorry...this is uncalled for and I don't mean it, just playing with you)
Now that I think of it, my VCR taught me a lot - it must have been smart too. Most of the books I "read" in high school had great acting in them.
thebigt
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the white house press secretary had her account suspended also-i can't even imagine jay carney having anything suspended.