Donald Trump running for president
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HIT4ME
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Skepticism is fair enough - but his intentions are pretty clear. There is video of him cleaning up graffiti, and an interview before the incident where he has latex gloves on and is discussing providing aid and having his weapon with him because there is a lot of violence going on and he wants to protect himself. Prior to the incident he DID provide medical aid to individuals. There is video of him putting out a dumpster fire. He RAN from the person he shot and was cornered. The people chasing him are on video saying, "Get him" and "Beat his ass!" as he ran. He got was, at no point in time on video, the aggressor. There is a pile of evidence showing he was NOT looking for a fight and really nothing that shows he was looking for a fight.
Further, keep in mind that the group he is running from is a group of people who want to say it should be OK to run from the police who have a valid reason for your arrest, and then they turn around and chase someone down like this? Where are the people saying, "Why didn't they just let him get away?"
And the video of him punching a girl - I've seen it too - and a few things here. The footage is not really clear about what was going on, or if it was even really him. It's from a distance and to me it didn't look so clear. Regardless - you and I already agree that just because he punched someone 2 weeks ago, doesn't mean he was out looking to punch someone today so the video is pointless and unrelated to the events in question.
This case is open and shut from what I can see, as Dixon said, unless something surfaces that shows he became an aggressor at some point - but even then he was clearly retreating so even if he started as the aggressor he tried to stop it and get away and the other person continued the fight - so they were the aggressor when things went bad. This case, to me, is a really good encapsulation of the "equality" that BLM stands for and the lack of any reason being applied to these situations.
HIT4ME
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Correct. I know people from Maine that traveled to NYC in 2001 after 9/11 to help. It's not unreasonable in the least. But how far away did the rioters and looters travel from? Some of them were from even further away, were lighting fires and destroying stores, and chasing a 17 y/o kid down - who was really looking for a problem?
ndiguy
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Absolutely. It's perfectly acceptable for these "protesters" to show up by the bus load to cause mayhem in someone elses' community (I'm not referring to legitimate protesting here, as I FULLY support the right to assemble peacefully), but if a fairly local kid drives half an hour to the scene he's just a lunatic looking to blast some innocent bystanders. Funny how that works.
I'm only a few hours north of Minneapolis. After the George Floyd ordeal, MANY people who had been arrested for looting / destroying property ended up being residents from states on the other side of the country. Makes you wonder if they truly believed in the cause, or if they were simply taking advantage of an opportunity.
ax1
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George Soros probably paid and provided the shuttle bus.
sammpedd88
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I wonder how many of these cases exist.
I wonder how many of these cases exist.
dixonk
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It doesn’t matter how many of these types of articles you find. The China virus fans will say its anecdotal or within the margin of error.
thebigt
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john bolton was on that trip and denies trump said anything like that...john bolton is not exactly a trump fan!!!
kind of a shame to make that kind of accusation and not have the balls to put your name on it-eh?
thebigt
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there is a lot more to this story than we are being told....all i've heard so far has been 2nd hand and rumors--but i am watching this story closely.
dixonk
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Is there anyone that believes stories with anonymous sources anymore? You would think by now everyone would have learned their lesson. Journalism is truly dead.
thebigt
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apparently @DaveGabe24 believes!!!
dixonk
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I don’t know if he does either. Maybe he was just looking for that gotcha moment that is going to make veterans drop their support for the man who has done more for veterans than any other president?
thebigt
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reports from kenosha say that most of those arrested are from chicago, which is very close to kenosha---i know i went to boot camp at great lakes and had liberty in both milwaukee and chicago.
i think this is why evers approved additional national guard.
thebigt
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i don't have my amazing kreskin hat on, so i don't know what was in his head when he posted that.
but as a veteran i know trump has made things much better!!! not just for vets either, active duty as well!!!
go trump!!!
HIT4ME
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Ok, making a mistake is one thing. But not knowing history while lamenting that we don't teach history in schools is really pathetic.
All I know is that I have heard numerous family members of fallen soldiers discuss getting calls from Trump personally and without fail they all say he was genuine and sincere. I also remember he sent $20,000 to one person who was ineligible to receive family benefits because his ex-wife got them...Trump sent this money out of his own pocket. It doesn't sound like a man that is saying this stuff.
thebigt
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anonymous sources and a article from the atlantic---it may as well have been from don lemon and cnn.
HIT4ME
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anonymous sources and a article from the atlantic---it may as well have been from don lemon and cnn.
Yeah, but Trump calling it fake news is him being crazy.
Ricky10
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Kind of pathetic that they will just run on about a story as if it’s factual, when it seems far more obvious that it’s completely fabricated. It’s certainly not the first time though, and it won’t be the last.
At least we got treated to this speech by Biden in response. Absolutely priceless!
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Keep saying that, and it will continue to be true. #defeatist
Here's why you should vote for her:
1) she's better
2) you may not agree 100% with her, but it doesn't matter because she won't win. Your vote can, however, help the libertarian party reach the 5% threshold, gain federal funding, and then maybe the really good candidates will step up, because there's a fighting chance to win.
3) if you continue to vote red or blue, the parties have 0 incentive to ever change. Why would they, you vote for them no matter what! If 10 or 20% of each party defected to the libertarian party, it would be a wake up call to them both, and maybe then they'd have a reason to return to actually trying to earn my fucking vote by being better.
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Not sure where to out this, so:
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So what are the odds those vaping deaths last year were actually covid?
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ax1
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I dont think you understand, we are aiming for 5% with as many states as possible for matching Federal funds. This is a growing movement and if people looked at it your way there will never be real chance in our country.
The Libertarian party is slowly winning spots across the country and we will win more, within 10 years we hope to take a couple of National seats and really get rolling from there.
Voting for Dump is a vote for Groper Joe, they barely truly are much different when it comes to most major policies.
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Bernie's Socialism vs. Trump's Socialism
03/14/2020
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03/14/2020
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Mises Institute
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Fighting Socialism?
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Bernie Sanders’s assertion that public universities ought to be “tuition free,” for instance, is hardly a radical departure from traditional government education policy. Indeed, local and state governments already provide “free” education for students from kindergarten through high school and have done so for well over a century. For its part, the US Department of Education Invalid Link Removed on elementary and secondary schooling. Almost $30 billion are awarded to college students in the form of Pell grants, while other students receive federally subsidized loans.
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In classic socialist fashion, the bailouts appear to be going to a fairly small set of farmers. According to a recent NPR analysis, “100,000 individuals collected just over 70% of the money.” One giddy farmer interviewed by NPR referred to the bailouts as “Trump money,” a term reminiscent of the now infamous “Invalid Link Removed woman. Unsurprisingly, many of these farmers were Invalid Link Removed compared to the actual harm they’ve suffered due to the president’s trade policies.
A Tale of Two Socialisms
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DaveGabe24
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With family for the weekend but as a broad response, I appreciate all the feedback on The Atlantic article regarding Kyle. Much to your surprise (or maybe not) I agree wholly that it was self defense and he'll likely go free. It wasn't a GOTCHA moment, it was an article that I knew would generate some responses from you guys that I might learn from.
Gotcha moments are for the intellectually lazy imo. It's a way to stay "safe" from being actually challenged.
I don't know how you guys feel about Tim Ferriss, I know the 4hr body didn't make friends in this space, but I treat him a bit like Rogan - more a fan of his guests than him. If any of you have interest in an amazing 90min talk with Rabbi Sacks (Cambridge/Oxford guy)...he talks about how countries have shifted from prioritizing communities, church, family and "WE" and more to individualistic views and "I" and it's become this cultural shift over the years since WW2. The very reason we can't all agree on the basics of wearing a mask for each other because its not "WE" it's "I."
That summary doesn't give the podcast justice but please, if you're even remotely interested- it was a truly enlightening 90mins and a breath of fresh air to hear someone with true wisdom speak on the current state of affairs. Someone with eloquence and knowledge, a stark contrast to these bozos trying to lead our country.
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In the meantime, everyone have a fun, safe weekend !
Gotcha moments are for the intellectually lazy imo. It's a way to stay "safe" from being actually challenged.
I don't know how you guys feel about Tim Ferriss, I know the 4hr body didn't make friends in this space, but I treat him a bit like Rogan - more a fan of his guests than him. If any of you have interest in an amazing 90min talk with Rabbi Sacks (Cambridge/Oxford guy)...he talks about how countries have shifted from prioritizing communities, church, family and "WE" and more to individualistic views and "I" and it's become this cultural shift over the years since WW2. The very reason we can't all agree on the basics of wearing a mask for each other because its not "WE" it's "I."
That summary doesn't give the podcast justice but please, if you're even remotely interested- it was a truly enlightening 90mins and a breath of fresh air to hear someone with true wisdom speak on the current state of affairs. Someone with eloquence and knowledge, a stark contrast to these bozos trying to lead our country.
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In the meantime, everyone have a fun, safe weekend !
HIT4ME
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Interesting, I will take a look. I had an econ professor once ask the class. "Why are you on school?" And most of us responded with, "To get a better job!"
He said, "Oh really? You think your education benefits YOU?"
We all thought and said, "of course!"
He then asked us, "What if I took the most highly educated doctor and dropped him in the middle of the poorest village in Africa? Who would benefit from his education?"
It was a paradigm shift and showed how the real beauty of capitalism is that while we all thought we were being greedy, we were really helping others to be successful. It also fits well with MLK's ideas, where he would say that he wanted his neighbors to do well and have nice things. If he had a color TV and his neighbor didn't, where were they going to get one and how were they going to do it?
If you want others to buy your goods and services, they better be doing well so they can afford it.
DaveGabe24
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Your professors served you well. The rabbi talks about safe spaces at universities in the episode, you will enjoy that part. I know it.
Its why a system like UBI is actually capitalism on steroids if you can fend off the knee-jerk reaction of calling it socialism.
Its why a system like UBI is actually capitalism on steroids if you can fend off the knee-jerk reaction of calling it socialism.
ax1
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Cant blame you my man....personally I think they both are anti-2A, by that I dont mean the R's want to totally strip it but they regulate it more than my taste buds think are a good idea, but the D's are certainly on another level.
Im a new firearm owner too, but been pro 2A for a good decade now.
manifesto
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You cannot be serious here...I completely disagree...this is what I consider "major policies" which they are completely opposite on:
Trump - pro life
Trump- pro law enforcement
Trump - border security
Trump- lower taxes
Trump - keeping America energy independent
Trump- keeping China in their place...
Sleepy Joe is the most "progressive candidate" of all time according to Bernie...not to mention he has full blown dimentia.
Woody
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Just curious - what would you consider progressive that Biden has done in his political career?
ax1
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Pro-life, I would define that more.
Law Enforcment Groper Joe, he isnt going to get gid of cops, he is a big government police state goblin.
Border Security-I am pro-border security myself but anti-wall. I think Dump has record number of illegals crossing. Plus, border security as a whole is a distraction, our country is being flooded and most of that is all the free socialist krap which Dump has no intention of ever getting rid of or implementing a system to phase that out.
Taxes-RRROOOFFLLLLLLL Slight variations of the same policies, pro-IRS anti-Liberty, penalizing someone slightly less at gunpoint for their productivity is still evil.
Energy independence-Ill give ya that
China-Krock of Krap. Dump is pro-China, he just wants better trade deals and will do anything to cement his legacy. Did you even read the trade deals? The whole reason he ignored the CCP virus in the beginning was because he wanted the documents signed, since then he has been pretending to be anti-China. Dump is pro-CCP, if anything possible less corrupt than Sleepy Joe with his personal connections but its all the same to me.
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dixonk
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I am under no illusion that Rs will go out of their way to deregulate guns. But the Ds are actively campaigning on the notion that they want to come and take them out of my possession and ban the opportunity to get more. That’s unacceptable. So no matter how much I align with the party of liberty and no matter how badly I want to see a 3rd party come to the mix. My 2A is too important to throw down on an underdog.
ax1
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Oh its ok, lol He is voting for Dump and 98% of Americans already made up their mind. Realistically my best shot is to recruit people who are non-voters and slowly trickle the Ds and Rs onto my side. Well sorta my side, I have no true loyalty to any party.
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Woody
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I respect this. Some beliefs/issues are more important than others and are a deciding factor.
ax1
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ax1
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She is from Cali too....most people in 1995 thought people like her would turn their entire country (please succeed already!!) into a massive shythole rich people would run away from!
ax1
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I consider you on my side regardless if you vote for Dump or not. I’ll still continue to call ya out though time to time
dixonk
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I consider you on my side regardless if you vote for Dump or not. I’ll still continue to call ya out though time to time
Now if the Supreme Court would stop punting 2A cases and actually start ruling then I could get on board. I only dream of an election where all I was worried about was spending.
HIT4ME
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I will have to look into UBI more - you have a lot of homework for me to do! haha. Capitalism isn't perfect, but IMO it's the best we have and free markets with a free working force are extraordinarily important to a free society.
Congrats on the new firearm! Like you I had my LTC for a long time (about 7 years) before I went ahead and jumped in with both feet. I am all in on the 2A. And to be honest, I'm all in on all of the amendments. It's funny how ready people are to repeal 2A but they would freak if you tried to repeal the 1A - even in the face of all the fake news out there.
You are probably correct here and we may be able to agree. But I'm wondering, what would you consider Biden has accomplished AT ALL in his career?
If anything, Kenosha should be enough proof for anyone that they should own an AR-15. You couldn't come up with a better sales pitch. Kyle also sold me on the fact that you NEED to use a single point sling. If not for those two things - he would be without a doubt, dead.
Quick question, and if you choose not to answer I don't blame you - I actually deal with a lot of real estate attorneys and a lot of them were big proponents of me getting my license and starting to carry. I'm curious if you, as an attorney, carry?
I wonder how many people in the crowd she flagged with that AR-15, with the mag in and no effort to see if it was unloaded? lol.
HIT4ME
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Why would anyone do their job if they are appointed for life?
ax1
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Thanks! Ive been following along your posts, been educational for me.
I have a 20 Gauge shotty, its a Turkey gun with 26" barrel but home defense shotty's are hard to find...this will hold me through until then and Ill get another one and start my collection, lol. I live in a nice area but just want to be sure my family is protected and with the election coming up you never know.
In NY Im not allowed to shoot people unless I can prove my life was in danger even if they break into my home, so this would be under the most extreme circumstances. Its unfortunate, if someone wants to steal my TV and safe Im supposed to watch them as long as they dont threaten our lives!!!!!!!!!
dixonk
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I don’t agree with the single point sling. I use a 2 point with a quick adjustment and there are various ways of using a sling that also need to be trained for. A sling is a tool and not just something to keep your gun attached to you. I keep mine strapped to the front of my body at shoulder level. In an emergency I can still draw and it’s right where it needs to be. If I know things are about to get loud I can release the tension of the sling and unwrap it from my body for more movement.
A single point sling will have the weapon dangling and bouncing all around you. It also sits low on the body. Doesn’t allow you to work well without it getting in the way.
The exception I make with single points is with my MP5. Sub guns do well with single points as they can be stashed along the side and are treated more like large pistols. My bedside MP5 has a single point, but my M4 in the closet is a 2 point.
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Woody
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I think we’re on the same page with Biden. Bernie saying Biden is progressive doesn’t mean he is progressive. His criminal bills for example are far from progressive. I highly, highly doubt an 800 year old fossil with memory issues is all of a sudden going to change his policies and become Mr. Progressive.
I don’t carry to work here and I didn’t in Houston, either. I don’t do criminal law or family law and feel comfortable around my clients. The town I live in is pretty safe too. I lived in third ward in Houston for a while and never had any issues. So I’ve never gotten my CCL. But, I do own guns (I’m in Texas after all).
Also, if I’m going somewhere sketchy, I do carry in my car. As long as it’s hidden from plain view (glovebox) it’s legal here. And I’ve gone into Deliverance territory a few times