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hyperCat

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Might be a dumb question, but would it be possible to develop an Msten topical, and if so, would it be something you guys would consider? An msten/androsterone topical combo just sounds really cool
 
I don’t work for them but... all of their products are dhsea compliant so I don’t foresee them doing that.

also... Msten is methylated giving it near 100 percent bioavailability. If it was transdermal you would get 25-50% which would mean you need 2-4x the dose so wouldn’t really make sense
 
Rockslide said:
I don’t work for them but... all of their products are dhsea compliant so I don’t foresee them doing that.

also... Msten is methylated giving it near 100 percent bioavailability. If it was transdermal you would get 25-50% which would mean you need 2-4x the dose so wouldn’t really make sense
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I figured there was reasons they may not do it. My thoughts were that, to my knowledge, it’s not explicitly banned, but obviously compliance is something different. Also thought there may be a non-methylated counterpart that would work well as a topical, but I’m no chemist, so thought I’d ask. Orals in general are starting to get rough on my digestive system. Maybe it’s time to start looking for a source for injectables...
 
The non methylated for it would be stenbolone which was apparently back in the 80s one of the most loved but hard to get things. It was apparently Tren before Tren was a thing. Apparently similar to 1-test/dhb or a stronger version of primo.
 
I made some M-Sten TD back in the day. It can be done and does work well but does need to be dosed higher than oral. Some guys said it was easier on their liver enzymes others said it was just as bad as oral but a few guys said it was worthwhile for them because they could get M-Sten gains without the heartburn/indigestion/general GI distress that some people get from orals.

Overall it didn't sell particularly well, though...
 
nostrum420 said:
I made some M-Sten TD back in the day. It can be done and does work well but does need to be dosed higher than oral. Some guys said it was easier on their liver enzymes others said it was just as bad as oral but a few guys said it was worthwhile for them because they could get M-Sten gains without the heartburn/indigestion/general GI distress that some people get from orals.

Overall it didn't sell particularly well, though...
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Hmm, interesting. I'd certainly try it if a TD form ever became available again. Just to avoid the GI distress would be a big plus in my book. What kind of TD carrier base did you use?
 
nostrum420 said:
I made some M-Sten TD back in the day. It can be done and does work well but does need to be dosed higher than oral. Some guys said it was easier on their liver enzymes others said it was just as bad as oral but a few guys said it was worthwhile for them because they could get M-Sten gains without the heartburn/indigestion/general GI distress that some people get from orals.

Overall it didn't sell particularly well, though...
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interesting. Didn’t think about gi side effects. Makes sense. I think mechanistically if methyls are taken either IM, TD, or sublingual they still get taken back to the liver in the blood and processed. I know it’s controversial and there isn’t hard evidence to support either side but I believe they are probably pretty similar in terms of liver stress. I know people have argued both ways though
 
Rockslide said:
interesting. Didn’t think about gi side effects. Makes sense. I think mechanistically if methyls are taken either IM, TD, or sublingual they still get taken back to the liver in the blood and processed. I know it’s controversial and there isn’t hard evidence to support either side but I believe they are probably pretty similar in terms of liver stress. I know people have argued both ways though
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It may vary significantly between users. 🤷‍♂️
 
yeah, we are sticking to DSHEA compliant compounds

But, if you ran m-sten, then you should really try stacking with some Alpha Four - that would be some magic!
 
delsolrob said:
yeah, we are sticking to DSHEA compliant compounds

But, if you ran m-sten, then you should really try stacking with some Alpha Four - that would be some magic!
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hopefully will be getting alpha four for my birthday!!! got to hit up my sister, lol.
 
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