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Donald Trump running for president

ax1 said:
Fuq Portland, let them succeed from the Union and rot away, LOL We can then make Taiwan our 50th state, they need US!

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i think the taiwanese love this country more than democrats...kind of sad actually.
 
thebigt said:
i think the taiwanese love this country more than democrats...kind of sad actually.
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They have a minor party called the Taiwan Civil Government Party, its a growing movement especially since the CCP destroyed Hong Kong this year. I dont think they hold any seats right now but its kinda cool it exists.
 
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been saying this for months...
 
fact: joe biden has had two, count them two brains surgery's for aneurysm of the brain.


how is it that a presidential candidate can have not one but two brain surgeries and the press never mentions it even though it is obvious he is in mental decline?
 
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Ricky10 said:
So why do you think things will be extra heated in Portland tonight?
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the leader of the pro-trump group was good friends with the man antifa killed last night. the leaders of antifa were caught on video bragging about killing the man.

i don't know what is going on in portland tonight, but would be surprised if it were calm there-unless the mayor some how prevented the pro-trump group from gaining access to the city?
 
google---biden/harris plan for suburbs

they are serious about destroying this country.
 
Wow, Shinzo Abe stepped down as PM of Japan due to health reasons...that is one rocky area over there. China just test launched one of their newer "carrier killer" rockets into the South China Sea too.
 
ax1 said:
Wow, Shinzo Abe stepped down as PM of Japan due to health reasons...that is one rocky area over there. China just test launched one of their newer "carrier killer" rockets into the South China Sea too.
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Xi is threatened by trump, he owns biden....sorry to hear about ABE, he seemed ok and treated the US fairly as far as i could tell.
 
Ricky10 said:
Well Happy Birthday!
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Thank you. I was hoping I could slide it by but wanted to show the Virgo fellowship, haha.

thebigt said:
hell yes, can't believe i missed that...happy birthday @HIT4ME !!!!
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I thought I could just mention it and slide it by haha....now I woke up this morning and had a flattering surprise of getting my own thread. Ty sir, and everyone, this place is like family.

Ricky10 said:
I didn’t realize it was his birthday tomorrow until just a few minutes ago 🤷‍♂️
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Haha, I almost got it by. I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

thebigt said:
fact: joe biden has had two, count them two brains surgery's for aneurysm of the brain.


how is it that a presidential candidate can have not one but two brain surgeries and the press never mentions it even though it is obvious he is in mental decline?
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I was unaware of this and not sure it is true, but an aneurysm is a deformation in a blood vessel in the brain, I believe, and not an actual bleed. A surgery to correct it before it bursts would maybe have little bearing on anything. Regardless, I think his actions and speech speak for themselves and going after medical records could just seem cruel.
 
Ok, yeah, looks like he had actual burst aneurysms in 1988. Never knew. Just another reason to give the guy a high stress job.
 
Why are people so up in arms about the CDC data that the majority of deaths had underlying condition? How is this news to anyone?

Admittedly I'm more on the "this is a serious pandemic and we should just love our neighbors side" than most conservatives, but did they really not know lethality increased with preexisting conditions? How can they be so anti-science to not know that?

Open to thoughts, you guys definitely have some different perspectives and views so I figure it's a good place to get uncomfortable, test my views, and maybe learn something.
 
I also thought everyone in this thread talking about the CDC didnt trust the CDC and they lost all credibility? Now all of the sudden they’re super trustworthy and linking everyone to the non-credible organization’s website.

Big OK, y’all.
 
jswain34 said:
I also thought everyone in this thread talking about the CDC didnt trust the CDC and they lost all credibility? Now all of the sudden they’re super trustworthy and linking everyone to the non-credible organization’s website.

Big OK, y’all.
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I thought everyone on the other side trusted the CDC and now that the CDC came out against their message no longer trust the CDC. Don’t worry the media is still on your side.
 
DaveGabe24 said:
Why are people so up in arms about the CDC data that the majority of deaths had underlying condition? How is this news to anyone?

Admittedly I'm more on the "this is a serious pandemic and we should just love our neighbors side" than most conservatives, but did they really not know lethality increased with preexisting conditions? How can they be so anti-science to not know that?

Open to thoughts, you guys definitely have some different perspectives and views so I figure it's a good place to get uncomfortable, test my views, and maybe learn something.
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The "tin foil hats" have been pointing out the stats all along since the beginning, but they are tin foil hats.

Im more on this is a "bad health crisis and we should see what we can do for our neighbors side."

The problem that I have is they created an economic disaster and minimized the effects by printing and about to print trillions and trillions out of thin air, devaluing everything we have in the bank in the long run.

All these shutdowns started with, "we need to shut down for a couple weeks to regroup and help our hospital capacities" to this mega social experiment and elements of dictatorship claiming what is essential and not essential. Every job is essential, as it is essential to pay your bills and put food on your families table, duh.

I would have been cool the first couple weeks but the later was ridiculous. Im not talking mask mandates but surely there is a way to help minimize the risk of high risk people while the rest of society mostly go about their norms. You just dont solve a crisis by creating another crisis which also results in deaths because thats what happens when you destroy the economy.
 
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jswain34 said:
I also thought everyone in this thread talking about the CDC didnt trust the CDC and they lost all credibility? Now all of the sudden they’re super trustworthy and linking everyone to the non-credible organization’s website.

Big OK, y’all.
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I thought everyone on the other side trusted the CDC and now that the CDC came out against their message no longer trust the CDC. Don’t worry the media is still on your side.
 
dixonk said:
I thought everyone on the other side trusted the CDC and now that the CDC came out against their message no longer trust the CDC. Don’t worry the media is still on your side.
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Classic. Instead of acknowledging your hypocrisy you point the finger somewhere else. The CDC’s scientists are stripped of their balls, our science denying president “takes over”, then all of his science denying minions believe that the science is now correct.
 
ax1 said:
The "tin foil hats" have been pointing out the stats all along since the beginning, but they are tin foil hats.

Im more on this is a "bad health crisis and we should see what we can do for our neighbors side."

The problem that I have is they created an economic disaster and minimized the effects by printing and about to print trillions and trillions out of thin air, devaluing everything we have in the bank in the long run.

All these shutdowns started with, "we need to shut down for a couple weeks to regroup and help our hospital capacities" to this mega social experiment and elements of dictatorship claiming what is essential and not essential. Every job is essential, as it is essential to pay your bills and put food on your families table, duh.

I wouldnt have been cool the first couple weeks but the later was ridiculous. Im not talking mask mandates but surely there is a way to help minimize the risk of high risk people while the rest of society mostly go about their norms. You just dont solve a crisis by creating another crisis which also results in deaths because thats what happens when you destroy the economy.
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Hey man, I'm 100% on board with this. My sister is an elementary school teacher and as I learned more about ALL of the other benefits school provides for kids like nutrition, mental health, social development, etc I felt like the actual in person education was the LEAST of it. So trust me, even as someone more "liberal" than most in this thread - I agree the economy being close may end up jut as deadly as the virus itself.

I also think the desire to turn the virus political at all, calling it a "hoax" in the beginning started that rift, and it never closed. Not wearing a mask became a way to flex your rights instead of care for your neighbor. Refusing to quarantine became a way to show strength instead of embracing solidarity and love for your neighbor.

The virus was horrible but the aftermath was far worse. It exposed a lot of selfish behaviors, divided perspectives and priorities, and most harmful was the level of misinformation people were (unknowingly) exposed to.
 
jswain34 said:
Classic. Instead of acknowledging your hypocrisy you point the finger somewhere else. The CDC’s scientists are stripped of their balls, our science denying president “takes over”, then all of his science denying minions believe that the science is now correct.
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I basically repeated exactly what you said. It was okay for you to point it one direction but not okay for someone to point the exact thing back?

Me personally I didn’t believe the CDC then, I don’t believe them now, and I won’t believe them in the future. I still don’t believe we are dealing with the Black Death. I strongly believe the world over reacted. I strongly believe governments overreached and abused their power. I strongly believe that medical opinions were suppressed to push an agenda. Scamdemic is what this is. I said it from the beginning and I will hold that opinion.
 
HIT4ME said:
Ok, yeah, looks like he had actual burst aneurysms in 1988. Never knew. Just another reason to give the guy a high stress job.
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i checked to be sure before i posted about his aneurysms, funny how many people are unaware of 2 brain surgery's of a guy running for president?

i bet everyone would be aware if trump had 2 brain surgery's-eh?
 
thebigt said:
i checked to be sure before i posted about his aneurysms, funny how many people are unaware of 2 brain surgery's of a guy running for president?

i bet everyone would be aware if trump had 2 brain surgery's-eh?
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It's like assuming we'd have every president's tax returns. Ya don't know till ya know! lol
 
dixonk said:
I basically repeated exactly what you said. It was okay for you to point it one direction but not okay for someone to point the exact thing back?

Me personally I didn’t believe the CDC then, I don’t believe them now, and I won’t believe them in the future. I still don’t believe we are dealing with the Black Death. I strongly believe the world over reacted. I strongly believe governments overreached and abused their power. I strongly believe that medical opinions were suppressed to push an agenda. Scamdemic is what this is. I said it from the beginning and I will hold that opinion.
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And had you said what I said first, I would have acknowledged the hypocritical flip flopping of stances being done by both sides. I do feel that one of the sides is more in the right than the other (those who actually have studied science and are working the front lines of acute care services in the pandemic vs the people who got Ds in HS Biology and want to believe a science denying baffoon who now think they understand statistics and a novel disease better than Public Health experts and infectious disease physicians). Instead you just pointed the finger in the opposite direction without acknowledging the hypocrisy I pointed out. That seems to be your go to every time someone says anything, “but this, this, that” while completely ignoring what was said. Instead of acknowledging the points that were made you just deflect and on and on in circles we go.
 
jswain34 said:
And had you said what I said first, I would have acknowledged the hypocritical flip flopping of stances being done by both sides. I do feel that one of the sides is more in the right than the other (those who actually have studied science and are working the front lines of acute care services in the pandemic vs the people who got Ds in HS Biology and want to believe a science denying baffoon who now think they understand statistics a novel disease better than Public Health experts and infectious disease physicians). Instead you just pointed the finger in the opposite direction without acknowledging the hypocrisy I pointed out. That seems to be your go to every time someone says anything, “but this, this, that” while completely ignoring what was said. Instead of acknowledging the points that were made you just deflect and on and on in circles we go.
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Pretty sure I have made myself abundantly clear on my trust in govt and their hired flunkies that do their bidding. A scientist is only as good as the funding they are getting and the source they are getting it from. Govt officials will always have to earn my trust and they are starting from the bottom rather than normal people who start at the top and then lose my trust.

Way too much misinformation, disinformation, errors, non logical rules, and restrictions to take any of these people serious.

For instance. Stay inside and social distance, unless of course you are protesting. Don’t go to a trump rally but it’s okay to protest. Wear your mask coming into a restaurant to walk 4 ft to your table and take it off. Driving around with masks and gloves on.

A virus so contagious that not wearing a mask will infect a whole town, but they have to stick 4” of qtip up to your brain to get a sample of this stuff. A virus so deadly you have to be tested to know you even have it.

Don’t get me started on the false death reporting, the false positive test results, tainted testing kits, sensitive testing kits. On and on and on.

If you can look at all that is happening and has happened and not raise an eyebrow than you are sheep.
 
DaveGabe24 said:
It's like assuming we'd have every president's tax returns. Ya don't know till ya know! lol
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trump is unusual in this is his 1st political office held...i would be more interested in long term politicians tax returns to see how they are becoming millionaires while in office. for example bernie sanders a few years ago said he was among the poorest members of congress, now he seems to be collecting houses?

tbh, i think members of both party's pocket substantial portion of campaign funds, for example 'illan omar ordered to reimburse campaign committee after state board finds spending violations'.
 
dixonk said:
Pretty sure I have made myself abundantly clear on my trust in govt and their hired flunkies that do their bidding. A scientist is only as good as the funding they are getting and the source they are getting it from. Govt officials will always have to earn my trust and they are starting from the bottom rather than normal people who start at the top and then lose my trust.

Way too much misinformation, disinformation, errors, non logical rules, and restrictions to take any of these people serious.

For instance. Stay inside and social distance, unless of course you are protesting. Don’t go to a trump rally but it’s okay to protest. Wear your mask coming into a restaurant to walk 4 ft to your table and take it off. Driving around with masks and gloves on.

A virus so contagious that not wearing a mask will infect a whole town, but they have to stick 4” of qtip up to your brain to get a sample of this stuff. A virus so deadly you have to be tested to know you even have it.

Don’t get me started on the false death reporting, the false positive test results, tainted testing kits, sensitive testing kits. On and on and on.

If you can look at all that is happening and has happened and not raise an eyebrow than you are sheep.
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Oh boy. Okay. Ill play...

I dont trust the government, in general, either. Politicians arent unbiased scientists, let me make that abundantly clear.

There have been a ton of things that have come to be false that we initially believed. Thats how the scientific process works. Thats why a scientific law isnt based on one single study that was never peer reviewed. Its based on dozens if not hundreds if not thousands of studies all of which have been peer reviewed.

Any UNBIASED scientist isnt saying its without risk to go gather in groups of 100s or 1000s without staying socially distanced without a face covering. Those are the democratic politicians allowing that. You’re again confusing the two and combining them into a single entity.

You wear the mask as you walk to your table because you’re passing less than 6 feet from the patrons at tables. Once you sit at your table, if the establishment is following proper guidelines, you will be far enough apart because the tables aren’t supposed to be within 6ft of one another. This isn’t that abstract of a concept to comprehend, as long as you’re objective and leave your agenda aside.

No scientist is telling people they need to drive around with a mask and gloves on alone in their car. Thats someones personal decision to do so, their action has zero bearing on what the science did or didnt say. Did you also ever consider that MAYBE they consider themselves extremely high risk (on an immunosuppressant, have cancer, whatever) and they glove and mask up when they leave their house, then discard their masks & gloves and sanitize their hands before they re-enter their house? Not so dumb after all...

Yes, I’m probably giving a lot of people too much credit there, but you see the point im trying to make (well, no, you probably dont or will refuse to acknowledge it).

You test the posterior nasopharynx because thats the place where likelihood is highest of the virus being present if you have it. You test for the flu in the same place - do you have to be tested for the flu to know you have it? To confirm, yah, but most of the time a history of a certain certainconstellation of symptoms (headache, fever, myalgias, malaise, +/- n/v) with an abrupt onset is a pretty damn good indicator you likely have it. Theres a wide range of illness severity in covid-19, that’s undeniable. The patients dont really go downhill quick until, on average, ~7 days after they exhibit their first signs/symptoms. So if they get tested before that 7 day mark “they had to get tested to know they had it”, but that doesnt mean it still didnt kill them, cause them to be hospitalized, or make them sick as a dog after that 7 day mark.

The “false death” reporting has been beaten to death and im not going there again. Maybe there is some false reports, but theres also likely underreporting going on. And there arent 180+ k, 120k, or even 100k, 80k, 60k false death reports. The amount of false death reports is literally statistically negligible, especially when you consider the fact there have undeniably been deaths that occurred that havent been counted.

The only thing that has me raising an eyebrow is how politics have somehow been entangled with science in the eye of the general population. We have a bunch of people in this country who want to act like they know a damn thing about a extremely complex topics like virology, infectious disease, microbiology, public health when they couldnt even define inoculation, tell you what an ID50, LD50, or S-spike is, or make it through a paragraph of an ID primary article. These people also dont understand what the sensitivity or specificity of a diagnostic test are, which explains why they think every false positive is some government conspiracy to inflate numbers. Its insanity.

New Zealand listened to science, shut down for TWO WEEKS, and essentially eliminated covid. I’m not for the government FORCING that upon anyone, I just wish the people who dont have a fugging clue what theyre talking about would listen to the people who have more of a fugging clue what they’re talking about.
 
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thebigt said:
tax evasion? if that is a accusation i would think you have proof?
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He is a billionaire. If he evaded taxes, committed fraud, or anything illegal the IRS would have brought it out already. I am sure every billionaire in the States has their own personal agent assigned to them.
 
Aaaand I almost typed as much as hit4me does in every one of his posts
 
I wonder if Cuomo listened to science when he sent everyone to nursing homes and killed all those people. And when NY is the root of most of all US infections.

He keeps claiming to be on the side of science.
 
Again. Politicians aren’t scientists. They have a political agenda. Unbiased scientists do not. Unbiased scientists are who we should listen to regarding novel infectious diseases.
 
reuters: 'biden staff donate to group that pays bail in riot torn minneapolis'

is this how you oppose violence-joe?
 
Anyone else having trouble with the sheer irony coming out of Biden- pinning the riots/violence/looting on Trump?

I think Ivanka should wear a body cam and be granted a pardon to kick him in the balls until he admits what is really happening and who is responsible.
 
Ricky10 said:
Anyone else having trouble with the sheer irony coming out of Biden- pinning the riots/violence/looting on Trump?

I think Ivanka should wear a body cam and be granted a pardon to kick him in the balls until he admits what is really happening and who is responsible.
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you remember maxine[mad max]watters?

'maxine watters tells supporters to harass trump staff'

maxine watters mocks: 'i threaten trump supporters all the time'

remember after she said that members of trumps cabinet were harassed in a restaurant while eating meal?

if that sounds familiar it happened again over the weekend in DC when citizens were harrassed while eating meal because they refused to raise fist with BLM.
 
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