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thebigt said:
not every doctor acts appropriately either, imagine how many lifes have been ruined by opiates given out by unscrupulous doctors---where are the protests against doctors? why shouldn't every single doctor in this country be blamed for the actions of a few just like police?

how about prosecutors, i bet you know of more than a few who cheated or manipulated facts to win cases-eh? lets protest lawyers....
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I’m glad you brought up doctors bigt. Any idea how many people die in the US on average per year from medical malpractice? Around 250,000. Why aren’t people screaming defund doctors?
 
Woody said:
But... are you waiting for me to reply or am I not important enough for you to be waiting?
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sorry i apologize for my rude behavior, i need to set a better example for youngsters such as yourself.
 
Jiigzz said:
Yeah that's fair. I know it isnt like this everywhere.

Just to reiterate, I just place emphasis on how important it is to police appropriately because I know how much influence and power they have. No doubt the majority take it very seriously and are excellent. But I've also seen some of the above examples here but I cant find any recordings
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Also you said something in your other post about officers de-escalating with a pistol drawn. With case law and statute, US law enforcement operate on what is “reasonably necessary”. That’s the words from the courts in Graham v Connor. What that means is not judging an officers actions on hind sight, but what an officer with the same training and experience would do under the same circumstances at hand. Also states have in there statutes regarding use of force, including deadly force, the word imminent. NC for one has it in their statute. It’s legal definition is what “could be happening”. So if an officer pursues someone in a high speed vehicle chase and they finally get them stopped, you better bet they will have a gun drawn. Suspicious person at night that puts his hands in his pockets....you better bet a gun will be drawn. Use of force isn’t pretty and if you don’t understand how law enforcement uses force, then you can’t make a decision if an officer is justified or not. But the media and special interest groups do it all the time. Which brings back to the political side of it. If Biden is elected, law enforcement in a whole will be fucked. The left will tear agencies apart and have some of the most untrained and dangerous people being hired because no sane person would want to be a cop under a Biden regime.
 
Jiigzz said:
Yeah that's fair. I know it isnt like this everywhere.

Just to reiterate, I just place emphasis on how important it is to police appropriately because I know how much influence and power they have. No doubt the majority take it very seriously and are excellent. But I've also seen some of the above examples here but I cant find any recordings
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Also you said something in your other post about officers de-escalating with a pistol drawn. With case law and statute, US law enforcement operate on what is “reasonably necessary”. That’s the words from the courts in Graham v Connor. What that means is not judging an officers actions on hind sight, but what an officer with the same training and experience would do under the same circumstances at hand. Also states have in there statutes regarding use of force, including deadly force, the word imminent. NC for one has it in their statute. It’s legal definition is what “could be happening”. So if an officer pursues someone in a high speed vehicle chase and they finally get them stopped, you better bet they will have a gun drawn. Suspicious person at night that puts his hands in his pockets....you better bet a gun will be drawn. Use of force isn’t pretty and if you don’t understand how law enforcement uses force, then you can’t make a decision if an officer is justified or not. But the media and special interest groups do it all the time. Which brings back to the political side of it. If Biden is elected, law enforcement in a whole will be fucked. The left will tear agencies apart and have some of the most untrained and dangerous people being hired because no sane person would want to be a cop under a Biden regime.
 
Woody said:
The officers have qualified immunity, yes. Misstatement on my part. Too late in the day to multitask and keep up with this rapid fire thread.

However, very few 1983 cases are actually successful. But, as a Facebook lawyer, you already knew that.
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But municipalities still pay out millions on behalf of law enforcement agencies on fraudulent claims all the time.

Medical malpractice is the hardest civil claim to collect on.
 
Woody said:
If your department is paying frivolous claims, then it needs better lawyers. Or, the claims aren’t frivolous and there is more behind the scenes found in discovery that doesn’t make it to the publics eye.
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It’s the America way and it’s much cheaper to pay out than it is to defend it. Being able to sue is one of the biggest rackets in this country.
 
sammpedd88 said:
Also you said something in your other post about officers de-escalating with a pistol drawn. With case law and statute, US law enforcement operate on what is “reasonably necessary”. That’s the words from the courts in Graham v Connor. What that means is not judging an officers actions on hind sight, but what an officer with the same training and experience would do under the same circumstances at hand. Also states have in there statutes regarding use of force, including deadly force, the word imminent. NC for one has it in their statute. It’s legal definition is what “could be happening”. So if an officer pursues someone in a high speed vehicle chase and they finally get them stopped, you better bet they will have a gun drawn. Suspicious person at night that puts his hands in his pockets....you better bet a gun will be drawn. Use of force isn’t pretty and if you don’t understand how law enforcement uses force, then you can’t make a decision if an officer is justified or not. But the media and special interest groups do it all the time. Which brings back to the political side of it. If Biden is elected, law enforcement in a whole will be fucked. The left will tear agencies apart and have some of the most untrained and dangerous people being hired because no sane person would want to be a cop under a Biden regime.
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I agree if theres been a pursuit, then theres greater risk. I also agree if hands cannot be seen, then a risk is present.

All I'm really referring to is when shots are fired when the person is clearly unarmed or compliant. Yes, those aren't the norm, but it's those situations that keep fanning the flames.

Usually the officers are dismissed, but the goal should be preventing that from happening in the first place, because by the time you dismiss, the life is already taken.

The best way to see it is if it happened to your wife or daughter. Would you be mad?
 
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Jiigzz said:
I agree if theres been a pursuit, then theres greater risk. I also agree if hands cannot be seen, then a risk is present.

All I'm really referring to is when shots are fired when the person is clearly unarmed or compliant. Yes, those aren't the norm, but it's those situations that keep fanning the flames.

IMO a firearm should only be presented at someone when you could be legally justified in firing it and taking a life. If a person is fleeing and doesnt pose an imminent deadly threat, I dont see how anyone could be justified in firing. If a person's pants are falling down and they instinctively pull them up, that isnt justifiable cause to kill them.
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What case are you referring to where his pants were falling?
 
Jiigzz said:
I agree if theres been a pursuit, then theres greater risk. I also agree if hands cannot be seen, then a risk is present.

All I'm really referring to is when shots are fired when the person is clearly unarmed or compliant. Yes, those aren't the norm, but it's those situations that keep fanning the flames.

IMO a firearm should only be presented at someone when you could be legally justified in firing it and taking a life. If a person is fleeing and doesnt pose an imminent deadly threat, I dont see how anyone could be justified in firing. If a person's pants are falling down and they instinctively pull them up, that isnt justifiable cause to kill them.
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What case are you referring to where his pants were falling?
 
sammpedd88 said:
You disagree with the racket part? Let me rephrase it... highly abused.
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I can’t speak to other jurisdictions, but generally not here. Sure, there are frivolous claims but very few every get paid or make it beyond a summary judgment. Slip and falls never get paid until after a summary judgment because the law is now so favorable for premises owners. And there are four dispositive motions a defendant can file in a Med Mal case. And med mal REQUIRES an expert report (expensive) and your damages are capped. Collectively, those two make most cases impossible to bring. Not to mention, the claim doesn’t really exist in the ER context. Hell, the Courts here nerfed the bad faith statutes in the insurance code. Even though the statute says a cause of action exists, the Courts say no. Even the presentation of damages has changed in the last two years.

So I guess technically you could file suit for a frivolous claim, but you’d be hard pressed to find an attorney willing to take it on a contingency fee. Generally, those attorneys don’t make it long and have to change fields. And, because several appellate courts and the Supreme Court is so pro-tort reform, even if you win at trial on a meritorious claim, you face a substantial risk of appeal. Up until pretty recently, if there was any evidence to uphold the jury verdict, it was upheld. Now, the Court decides what a reasonable juror would do. Not even jury verdicts are safe here.

On the other hand, I can’t tell you how many “property damage” releases I’ve seen that releases all claims - bodily injury and property damage. Corporations and insurance companies do their fair share of abusive stuff, too.

I’m not completely against tort reform. I do think a doctor should generally be protected if you have surgery and get an infection. I think if Medicare pays your medical bills, you shouldn’t be able to claim the unreduced amount. But I also think if a jury finds one way, it’s not for the court to determine if that jury was “reasonable”.
 
sammpedd88 said:
What case are you referring to where his pants were falling?
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Daniel Shaver is one example.

Also this is a decent watch for examples, fair warning, viewer discretion advised. Also I didnt title the video.
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It's a comparison of UK and Europe policing styles vs the US. I definitely support these tactics
 
Jiigzz said:
I agree if theres been a pursuit, then theres greater risk. I also agree if hands cannot be seen, then a risk is present.

All I'm really referring to is when shots are fired when the person is clearly unarmed or compliant. Yes, those aren't the norm, but it's those situations that keep fanning the flames.

Usually the officers are dismissed, but the goal should be preventing that from happening in the first place, because by the time you dismiss, the life is already taken.

The best way to see it is if it happened to your wife or daughter. Would you be mad?
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I agree some of the unarmed shootings are atrocious, and hard to watch. The agencies where i live are very well trained, and practice stress inoculation on the regular.

If an officer cannot control his breathing during stressful situations, tunnel vision can set in, and poor decisions are often made.
 
Also, it is generally cheaper to fight than to settle - unless the settlement offer is for peons of your exposure or you are expecting huge loss of goodwill and revenues from the media coverage
 
Also, it is generally cheaper to fight than to settle - unless the settlement offer is for peons of your exposure or you are expecting huge loss of goodwill and revenues from the media coverage
 
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This chick has some real nerve....her brain is completely warped.
 
'as murders soar in chicago, judges are freeing more violent-crime suspects on electronic monitoring'

one defendant allegedly shot an off-duty police officer during an attempted robbery while on electronic monitoring
 
thebigt said:
i guess biden lied when he said he would be president for ALL American's-eh?
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I thought her nomination was uninspiring at best and removed any chance of Biden winning. Hell, if he at least nominated Sanders, the Democrats would at least reckaim the Bernie Bros vote instead of MoJo JoJo getting them.
 
'journalist slams 'hypocritical' chicago mayor for having police keep protesters off her block.
 
thebigt said:
i guess biden lied when he said he would be president for ALL American's-eh?
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I thought her nomination was uninspiring at best and removed any chance of Biden winning. Hell, if he at least nominated Sanders, the Democrats would at least reckaim the Bernie Bros vote instead of MoJo JoJo getting them.
 
Woody said:
I thought her nomination was uninspiring at best and removed any chance of Biden winning. Hell, if he at least nominated Sanders, the Democrats would at least reckaim the Bernie Bros vote instead of MoJo JoJo getting them.
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didn't she get less than 5% of votes during primary---now that is uninspiring.
 
Woody said:
On a side note, anyone know how to fix the double posting issue on the app?
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If it takes more than a couple seconds for it to post hit the cancel button and discard. It will still post, but only once. The app leaves a lot to be desired sometimes.
 
dixonk said:
If it takes more than a couple seconds for it to post hit the cancel button and discard. It will still post, but only once. The app leaves a lot to be desired sometimes.
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This is what I do
 
manifesto said:
I agree some of the unarmed shootings are atrocious, and hard to watch. The agencies where i live are very well trained, and practice stress inoculation on the regular.

If an officer cannot control his breathing during stressful situations, tunnel vision can set in, and poor decisions are often made.
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Agreed to this :)
 
dixonk said:
If it takes more than a couple seconds for it to post hit the cancel button and discard. It will still post, but only once. The app leaves a lot to be desired sometimes.
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after a couple of seconds just hit 'what's new'
 
'video appears to show MAGA hat taken from 7-year old trump supporter outside biden acceptance speech'

wow, appears my butt, this is hateful. imagine doing this to a 7 year old!!!!
 
thebigt said:
'video appears to show MAGA hat taken from 7-year old trump supporter outside biden acceptance speech'

wow, appears my butt, this is hateful. imagine doing this to a 7 year old!!!!
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That kids mom shouldve cleaned that b1tches clock.
 
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Finally, the city of Chicago taking action!!!!!
 
Facebook reportedly considering ‘kill switch’ if Dump contests 2020 elections

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Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and some executives are also meeting daily to discuss how to minimize the potential of the social network being used to dispute the upcoming election, the sources said. The idea of a “kill switch” to turn off political advertisements after the elections has reportedly been raised, as the ads could be used to spread misinformation.

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nostrum420 said:
Some interesting picks for the RNC...

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Not sure if that is supposed to offensive to republicans or not...I happen to love gun pics. I think republicans should take an even greater stance on the 2A. Repeal the Hughes amendment, repeal the NFA, defund the ATF, all gun laws are infringements.
 
dixonk said:
Not sure if that is supposed to offensive to republicans or not...I happen to love gun pics. I think republicans should take an even greater stance on the 2A. Repeal the Hughes amendment, repeal the NFA, defund the ATF, all gun laws are infringements.
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No, it was just that those 2 are not the best representatives for your cause.
 
They flagged each other so much in that one clip you could make drinking game out of it and be hammered by the time the 90 second clip was up.
 
dixonk said:
Not sure if that is supposed to offensive to republicans or not...I happen to love gun pics. I think republicans should take an even greater stance on the 2A. Repeal the Hughes amendment, repeal the NFA, defund the ATF, all gun laws are infringements.
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If you love 2A Republicrats are your enemy.
 
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