Donald Trump running for president
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ax1
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You have to talk to them respectfully regardless, let them know your rights and that you will let your lawyer know but still comply and follow the orders. Later on you can sue them if you have a case. Of course, as you know and Ill remind you this is where the system needs to be reformed, due process. Localities are biased and police get away with violating people's rights.
ax1
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No I dont like it at all, but you must compy with the officer. Training can always be improved but I dont think he should be fired for it, a suspension and training I agrree as he could have handled it a little more professionaly because all that screaming doesn't help.
ax1
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Im not anti-government at all, where did that come from? Im not an anarchist, I believe in the institution of the Republic and rule of law.
Jiigzz
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I'm not for deestablishing the police, it's just a reminder that not every cop acts appropriately and that how they act perpetuates the cycle.
Thise guys predicted they were going to get pulled over and searched for nothing. That kid in the car will be subject to its parents being searched for nothing. The kid will probably grow up resenting the police.
That's not how you break the cycle.
sammpedd88
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That’s the most truthful meme I’ve ever seen.
sammpedd88
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Don’t watch cops and take that as the norm of US law enforcement. I quit watching because of the mistakes I would see. And no, cops didn’t go to every agency in the US. They favored a few agencies from Washington State, Florida and Pennsylvania mostly.
sammpedd88
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Ah...the Aussie has awaken.
thebigt
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not every doctor acts appropriately either, imagine how many lifes have been ruined by opiates given out by unscrupulous doctors---where are the protests against doctors? why shouldn't every single doctor in this country be blamed for the actions of a few just like police?
how about prosecutors, i bet you know of more than a few who cheated or manipulated facts to win cases-eh? lets protest lawyers....
Jiigzz
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Yeah that's fair. I know it isnt like this everywhere.
Just to reiterate, I just place emphasis on how important it is to police appropriately because I know how much influence and power they have. No doubt the majority take it very seriously and are excellent. But I've also seen some of the above examples here but I cant find any recordings
Jiigzz
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I genuinely lol'd.
dixonk
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Haha I think you just give off that impression sometimes
I think there is a difference between not liking the government and being anti government. I don’t like my government, I hate the way they spend money, I don’t agree with most of the legislation taking place. But I am very much for having a system of government in place.
thebigt
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ax1
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First Im trying to figure out how the scene looked from the outside, what is he doing in the car, how long was he in there for and how far to the curb was he parked?
2nd, how rude not to role your window down when he walked up to the car, that was a provocative move from the start. The officer asks for ID and the first thing out of the driver's mouth was "what are you yelling at me for?" I did not see the officer yelling at him. Attitude from the very start, officer in bad mood.
Usually when I get pulled over I think Im asked for ID first, then the officer will ask me if I know why Im being pulled over.
I dunno the people in the car are diks from the start, they set themselves up to be taken out of the car.
It is illegal to have an obstruction that size hanging off your mirror, that is a fact, at least in NY it is. Its common knowledge.
I dunno the history of the passanger, looks like the officer is familiar with him, maybe perhaps repeat drug user and that triggered the suspicion from the very beginning. Maybe he hangs out with the wrong crowd with drug dealers/users. I dunno, but my philosophy is if you want me to see your future show me your friends.
This sounds like a "War on Drugs" issue, not a policing issue. Also an issue of dikhead people trying to make an officer look bad by starting the situation to a bad start.
How about offering the officer a cup of coffee and trying to be friends with him??? I dunno but these dont seem like people Id hang with.
He is cursing with a child in the back seat, wtf????
Jiigzz
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If I'm pulled over or questioned by a cop, I would hand over my ID no worries. I think some people push back alot for something so insignificant (in my view), but some people are adamant in enforcing their legal right. When they do, then the officer has to then be sure they have reasonable grounds to ask for ID.
This is the part that makes policing hard. In one of the videos I posted the cop misidentified someone and appeared adamant he was who they were looking for. The guy and his girlfriend kicked up about his name not being Quintin, but let's be real, anyone can say they are not somebody.
That's why it can be so difficult. If the law states that a person can refuse to show ID unless there are reasonable grounds to believe an offence is committed, when you have the wrong person there are both reasonable grounds and no grounds.
So what do you do?
ax1
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Haha I think you just give off that impression sometimes
Yeah I get it but at least I have the opportunity to clarify
Jiigzz
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That's fair. I think we all hate stuff about our own governments.
Woody
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What’s funny to me is conservatives are all about their “rights” but when it comes to complying with police then your rights don’t matter and you should just bend over and do what daddy says.
They live to point out hypocrisy in the Democratic Party but damn do they feel to see their own.
ax1
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Jo Jorgensen-Spike Cohen 2020!!!!!!
Policing to protect people's life and liberty, not revenue collecting and reaching prison quotas!!!!
Jiigzz
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They should be absolutely held to account.
One thing I hate is when cops have one bad day or make one mistake and are fired for it. Like when people call for people to be fired because they said 1 wrong thing.
If 99 days out of 100 they are great, but 1 time they make a bad choice, then they shouldnt be fired.
They should be protected if they are wholly good.
Woody
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Every judge, prosecutor, and Court appointed attorney lie in the same bed. Judges give a ton of leniency and discretion to prosecutors. And, judges assign cases to defense attorneys. Make life hard for the judge or prosecutor? Lose your case assignments.
The one criminal case I have, the defendant is already on probation even though he’s only been indicted. No trial. No guilty verdict. But still has to report to probation, take drug tests, and can’t leave the county without permission. COA found this within the court’s discretion.
thebigt
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feel?
Woody
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You mean like if you don’t spend your entire budget you don’t get an automatic budget increase? Wasteful spending is so fetch.
thebigt
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i am still waiting for the PLM group to start protesting doctors offices, calling for them to be banned and defunded!!!
Patient
Lifes
Matter
i wonder what the final death count will be from unscrupulous doctors handing out opiate prescriptions like candy---where is the outrage!!!
c'mon democrats protesting is your life- you need to get behind this.
Woody
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There are already major opiate lawsuits ongoing. Police departments have immunity and generally can’t be sued. You likely can’t get there on criminal charges against Dr/Pharma/Manufacturer, but can get hit em with civil damages.
dixonk
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That. And supporting other countries when we aren’t even supporting our own. Imagine if you will an America where the billions and billions of dollars shipped to foreign countries are used on its own citizens. The possibilities. Or better yet reduce or eliminate income tax all together and drop foreign aid. No income tax and only use VAT tax. The more you dump into America the better off we are.
It’s a shame Congress is full of idiots.
Woody
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Yes but if we don’t have a war to fight how and an “ism” to hate, how are they going to control the masses in the name of national security?
thebigt
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police departments have immunity and generally can't be sued...lol
that made me laugh so hard my drink came out my nose--thanks a lot, lol.
Woody
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police departments have immunity and generally can't be sued...lol
that made me laugh so hard my drink came out my nose--thanks a lot, lol.
The officers have qualified immunity, yes. Misstatement on my part. Too late in the day to multitask and keep up with this rapid fire thread.
However, very few 1983 cases are actually successful. But, as a Facebook lawyer, you already knew that.
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Jiigzz
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Where I am, if you exercise your powers in good faith you are protected by law and cannot be prosecuted.
police departments have immunity and generally can't be sued...lol
that made me laugh so hard my drink came out my nose--thanks a lot, lol.
This is important because otherwise you could be held to account for a lot of things that may not be 100% lawful, but which you do because you exercise good faith
ax1
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Something didnt seem to go well between him and admin so he was booted. Thats all I will say, I kinda miss his voice but it is what it is and its admin's forum.
thebigt
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you are the one having to post about misstatement not me...
thebigt
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as it should be, imo....
Woody
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you are the one having to post about misstatement not me...
I don’t think briefing this forum on Bivens/1983 and their viability will be productive as it is a complicated are of law, but in a study analyzing 200+ 1983 claims in the mid 2010s, 25% resulted in favor of Plaintiff, 70% resulted in favor of the defendants (ie police officers), and the rest settled/NDA so, yes, my point still stands. But alas, I said department and not officer. You sure did show me good pal. Owning the libzzzz
Woody
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thebigt
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bivens/1983 empowers victims to sue state officials and those acting on their behalf vs a bivens action which applies to federal government and not state government....i don't see where bivens/1983 disqualifies a victim from suing a police department, quite the contrary.
maybe @Jiigzz would care to weigh in since he has much more legal background than myself.
Woody
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you are the one having to post about misstatement not me...
Did you already forget about this exchange? It’s only been 30 minutes.
Jiigzz
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Haha exactly. It's tough to define legallyDefine good faith?
Aaaaand welcome to the American Court system
thebigt
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what exchange, i called you out on bivens/1983. waiting for you to reply.
i graduated hs in 76 and went to columban catholic college in olongapo city, RP for 2 years studying business management/accounting with no background in law...but from my layman/uneducated opinion bivens/1983 looks like it gives not denies victims the ability to sue police departments.
the wife is calling me to dinner, sorry you are not important enough to miss a meal over
Woody
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waiting for you to reply.
...
sorry you are not important enough to miss a meal over
But... are you waiting for me to reply or am I not important enough for you to be waiting?
manifesto
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The local department where I live gets sued after every officer involved shooting. And, they typically pay even if the shooting was lawful....
Woody
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If your department is paying frivolous claims, then it needs better lawyers. Or, the claims aren’t frivolous and there is more behind the scenes found in discovery that doesn’t make it to the publics eye.
manifesto
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You have never heard of the families getting paid after someone is killed by police? This happens all the time, like I said, even when the shooting is justified.
Woody
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Sure, and I’ll admit that is likely much more recently than in years prior. More borderline claims are likely getting paid now than before - simply because of the publicity and risk a jury poses. But, a BS case is not getting paid by a police department. If it seems like it’s completely frivolous, there’s a reason, more than bad publicity, that the claim is getting paid.