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ax1 said:
MLM Maori Lives Matters

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Yes!

For us it isnt African Americans, it is our indigenous Maori who are marginalized and targeted.
 
ax1 said:
The Maori people make up 15% of NZ's population and 50% of the entire Maori population live behind bars.

Talk about inequality and oppression of a race!!!!!!! I mean really, can NZ'ers claim racial equality in the police departments????

Maori people also suffer from unequal unemployment, unequal education, broken families, etc.......

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These are the exact points I've been making! There is rampant inequality in our justice system.

We talk a lot about this in police training.

One of the core police values is Respect for Maori and the Treaty. Oppression breeds crime, and so recognizing that is essential to being fair and hopefully in the long run reduce crime.

It's tough because you'll always see police patrolling high crime areas, but is that a prevention tool or oppressive tool?
 
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sammpedd88 said:
Jizzz...do you have input on this? Sounds like you need to comment on the NZ edition of Anabolic Minds instead of telling us awful Americans what we need to do!
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Samm-pedo, I was asleep.

I did comment.
 
ax1 said:
Oh he is certainly always welcome here in my books, but I gotta pick out the hypocrisy when it comes to systematic police oppression, white privilege and cultural genocide when I see it.
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Where did I ever say NZ wasn't racist? Point me to that comment, I'll wait.

Lots.of my earlier comments were about racism in police lol. I dont deny it at all, acknowledged it.
 
Jiigzz said:
Where did I ever say NZ wasn't racist? Point me to that comment, I'll wait.

Lots.of my earlier comments were about racism in police lol. I dont deny it at all, acknowledged it.
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Oh well, thats freaking terrific!!!!!

I mean your not living by the hypocritical mentality book so thats a great thing.

I think I got the impression that you were justifying NZ police tactics over US tactics, and I agree with some things but at the same time I see racial suppression and inequality of minorities so I had a wtf moment when I ran into that in the moment. I ran into these issues a few years ago I think but I totally forgot about it.
 
manifesto said:
Not with his current attitude...trust me.
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Have you ever been a cop? If not, you are in much less of a position to talk about policing than I am lol.

Your version of evidence is posting a meme and getting upset. Youd do well running for president because it turns out that's all you need to do to get votes lol
 
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I ran into these issues a few years ago I think but I totally forgot about it.
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This movement has lost all credibility. Everyone worried about the Maori are the REAL racists now.
 
Jiigzz said:
These are the exact points I've been making! There is rampant inequality in our justice system.

We talk a lot about this in police training.

One of the core police values is Respect for Maori and the Treaty. Oppression breeds crime, and so recognizing that is essential to being fair and hopefully in the long run reduce crime.

It's tough because you'll always see police patrolling high crime areas, but is that a prevention tool or oppressive tool?
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isn't it the job off police to go to where the crime is?
 
Jiigzz said:
Have you ever been a cop? If not, you are in much less of a position to talk about policing than I am lol.

Your version of evidence is posting a meme and getting upset. Youd do well running for president because it turns out that's all you need to do to get votes lol
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Maybe I have...maybe I havent....there are alot of people in the law enforcement profession that don't just put it out on the internet. Especially nowadays.
 
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ax1 said:
Oh well, thats freaking terrific!!!!!

I mean your not living by the hypocritical mentality book so thats a great thing.

I think I got the impression that you were justifying NZ police tactics over US tactics, and I agree with some things but at the same time I see racial suppression and inequality of minorities so I had a wtf moment when I ran into that in the moment. I ran into these issues a few years ago I think but I totally forgot about it.
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Its everywhere. There's no denying that.

The only difference is our use of force policies. Yes, it's different because you guys encounter far more guns, because for us we never draw a firearm to defuse a situation. If it is drawn during routine non-arming, we have made the decision that taking a life is necessary. Until that point, it is taser's or pepper spray.

When I used to watch Cops, youd see people pulling out firearms on unmarked suspects. To be that is strange because they are using that as a tool for compliance, whereas a taser can often achieve the same goal.
 
Jiigzz said:
Have you ever been a cop? If not, you are in much less of a position to talk about policing than I am lol.

Your version of evidence is posting a meme and getting upset. Youd do well running for president because it turns out that's all you need to do to get votes lol
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Worked great for Dump! LOL
 
nostrum420 said:
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This movement has lost all credibility. Everyone worried about the Maori are the REAL racists now.
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Im not in a position to say anything unless Im out in the sun alot and my Sicilian chameleon side shows.
 
manifesto said:
No, because it is racist to arrest back people and maoris
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what good is it to arrest blacks when prosecutors in democrat cities have began to refuse to prosecute?

i see the black, democrat prosecutor in chicago got reprimanded for smollett case, they should have fired her for misconduct.
 
thebigt said:
isn't it the job off police to go to where the crime is?
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That's the issue we faced. You patrol high crime areas because that's where the issues are, but then those people claim oppression and that they are being labelled a criminal, so they act out in defiance.

It's tough to get the balance right because it isn't an overnight fix. Q
 
Jiigzz said:
That's the issue we faced. You patrol high crime areas because that's where the issues are, but then those people claim oppression and that they are being labelled a criminal, so they act out in defiance.

It's tough to get the balance right because it isn't an overnight fix. Q
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Ohhh...so they only start committing crimes after they feel they are being labeled a criminal? Gotcha. So I guess the police should just stay away then...and all the crime will cease to exist.
 
Jiigzz said:
That's the issue we faced. You patrol high crime areas because that's where the issues are, but then those people claim oppression and that they are being labelled a criminal, so they act out in defiance.

It's tough to get the balance right because it isn't an overnight fix. Q
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difference being the acter-outers don't have guns in NZ. cops have targets on their backs in high crime areas here-the number of cops killed in line of duty is appalling to those of us who believe in law and order---for radical democrats they seem excited to hear about death of a cop---not all democrats feel that way but many.
 
Jiigzz said:
That's the issue we faced. You patrol high crime areas because that's where the issues are, but then those people claim oppression and that they are being labelled a criminal, so they act out in defiance.

It's tough to get the balance right because it isn't an overnight fix. Q
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In the US they will burn Wendy's down if you fight crime in high crime areas, its racist.

This is the world we live in now.
 
ax1 said:
In the US they will burn Wendy's down if you fight crime in high crime areas, its racist.

This is the world we live in now.
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they just wanted some bbq...extra crispy!!!
 
so, who on here is donating to the free marquise fund?


honestly, i would not be surprised if he would rather stay locked up, even BLM 'say' they are pissed at him. deservedly so or not, BLM got blamed for his actions.
 
manifesto said:
Ohhh...so they only start committing crimes after they feel they are being labeled a criminal? Gotcha. So I guess the police should just stay away then...and all the crime will cease to exist.
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You aren't going to read this, but there's quite a bit in psycology around historical policing and oppression:

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I can tell this will be ignored and you'll continue in your ignorance. Any cop who doesnt understand they toe the line between too oppressive and active policing shouldnt be a cop.

Heres a small example:

You are driving down the road, and your rear taillight is out. A cop sees this and pulls you over.

In one scenario, the cop simply let's you know the tail light is out. He jokes with you briefly and wishes you a good day. He notes this exchange on the system in case you are pulled over again and havent resolved the problem. But you go to an auto shop and buy a light bulb and the issue is fixed.

In a second scenario, the cop pulls you over and decides to ticket you. Its only $100 but to you that's more than you have left over by the end of the month. It's tough because you didnt know the light was out, but you recognize it is a infringable offence. You leave, but you are a bit upset that the police officer didn't acknowledge that you simply didnt know the light was out. You go to an auto store on the way home and get a bulb, but now you also need to find a way to pay the fine.

In a third scenario, you get pulled over. The cop decides to check over the entire car. He pulls you up on the light issue, and starts rigorously checking everything else. He then comes up to the window and starts peering inside the vehicle. He is trying to find something else to ping you on. He cant, but you know he is trying. He keeps yelling at you to keep your hands where he can see them. All this for a brake light. He fines you and leaves.

Technically all 3 scenarios are legal. But they range from being a reasonable cop showing compliance to one actively searching for issues to arrest you on. On one hand, the first scenario is someone who recognizes that people should be given opportunity to comply, whereas the last scenario highlights an oppressive cop trying his best to find more faults.

Which one do you think produces the person who dislikes police the most?
 
Jiigzz said:
You aren't going to read this, but there's quite a bit in psycology around historical policing and oppression:

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I can tell this will be ignored and you'll continue in your ignorance. Any cop who doesnt understand they toe the line between too oppressive and active policing shouldnt be a cop.

Heres a small example:

You are driving down the road, and your rear taillight is out. A cop sees this and pulls you over.

In one scenario, the cop simply let's you know the tail light is out and says goodbye. He notes this exchange on the system in case you are pulled over again and havent resolved the problem. But you go to an auto shop and buy a light bulb and the issue is fixed. Pretty positive police experience right?

In a second scenario, the cop pulls you over and decides to ticket you. Its only $100 but to you that's more than you have left over by the end of the month. It's tough because you didnt know the light was out, but you recognize it is a infringable offence. You leave, but you are a bit upset that the police officer didn't acknowledge that you simply didnt know the light was out. You now have to reevaluate your finances.

In a third scenario, you get pulled over. The cop decides to check over the entire car. He pulls you up on the light issue, and starts rigorously checking everything else. He then comes up to the window and starts looking inside the vehicle. He is trying to find something else to ping you on. He cant, but you know he is trying. He keeps yelling at you to keep your hands where he can see them. All this for a brake light. He fines you and leaves.

Technically all 3 scenarios are legal. But they range from being a reasonable cop showing compliance to one actively searching for issues to arrest you on. On one hand, the first scenario is someone who recognizes that people should be given opportunity to comply, whereas the last scenario highlights an oppressive cop trying his best to find more faults.

Which one do you think produces the person who dislikes police the most?
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criminals dislike the police the most!!!!!!!!!!!
 
thebigt said:
criminals dislike the police the most!!!!!!!!!!!
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I know of plenty of people who dislike the police who aren't criminals. It's all about the interaction.

Its funny, but I remember a cop ticketing a guy for no rego on his car when his own personal car also didnt have a rego.
 
thebigt said:
so, who on here is donating to the free marquise fund?


honestly, i would not be surprised if he would rather stay locked up, even BLM 'say' they are pissed at him. deservedly so or not, BLM got blamed for his actions.
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Im catching up didnt hear the name until now, looks like a career criminal, who the hell would want to donate that money to that dirtbag? Why not donate money to feed children or to save wildlife?
 
thebigt said:
criminals dislike the police the most!!!!!!!!!!!
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I judge them individually, most have been pro's, other's are certainly taking their revenue collecting more seriously. I dont blame the latter personally but the system that encourages them to meet quota's. Some Ive run into are pur diks but Im dont going to be racist against blue's because of that.
 
Jiigzz said:
You aren't going to read this, but there's quite a bit in psycology around historical policing and oppression:

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I can tell this will be ignored and you'll continue in your ignorance. Any cop who doesnt understand they toe the line between too oppressive and active policing shouldnt be a cop.

Heres a small example:

You are driving down the road, and your rear taillight is out. A cop sees this and pulls you over.

In one scenario, the cop simply let's you know the tail light is out. He jokes with you briefly and wishes you a good day. He notes this exchange on the system in case you are pulled over again and havent resolved the problem. But you go to an auto shop and buy a light bulb and the issue is fixed.

In a second scenario, the cop pulls you over and decides to ticket you. Its only $100 but to you that's more than you have left over by the end of the month. It's tough because you didnt know the light was out, but you recognize it is a infringable offence. You leave, but you are a bit upset that the police officer didn't acknowledge that you simply didnt know the light was out. You go to an auto store on the way home and get a bulb, but now you also need to find a way to pay the fine.

In a third scenario, you get pulled over. The cop decides to check over the entire car. He pulls you up on the light issue, and starts rigorously checking everything else. He then comes up to the window and starts peering inside the vehicle. He is trying to find something else to ping you on. He cant, but you know he is trying. He keeps yelling at you to keep your hands where he can see them. All this for a brake light. He fines you and leaves.

Technically all 3 scenarios are legal. But they range from being a reasonable cop showing compliance to one actively searching for issues to arrest you on. On one hand, the first scenario is someone who recognizes that people should be given opportunity to comply, whereas the last scenario highlights an oppressive cop trying his best to find more faults.

Which one do you think produces the person who dislikes police the most?
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I read it. We call this "Letter of the law" vs "Spirit of the law" in the US.

Criminal profiling is not illegal. Many good cops use an equipment violation for PC, and then look for additional PC to search after the initial stop.

Policework 101. I have many LEO friends and have been on many ride alongs.
 
manifesto said:
I read it. We call this "Letter of the law" vs "Spirit of the law" in the US.

Criminal profiling is not illegal. Many good cops use an equipment violation for PC, and then look for additional PC to search after the initial stop.

Policework 101. I have many LEO friends and have been on many ride alongs.
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This is my point lol.

You pull them over, find nothing. So you try again in a few days, same result and so on. Do you expect that person to be happy about it?

Now he might not turn criminal because of that (the age old tale of if you accuse someone of cheating enough in a relationship then they will), but if they have children who witness this enough, you might find those children grow up resenting police. And so the cycle continues.

Some people are absolutely bad people and might deserve being checked up on. It's not an all or nothing. But actions have consequences and it can perpetuate the cycle if you're not careful.
 
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This is my point lol.

You pull them over, find nothing. So you try again in a few days, same result and so on. Do you expect that person to be happy about it?

Now he might not turn criminal because of that (the age old tale of if you accuse someone of cheating enough in a relationship then they will), but if they have children who witness this enough, you might find those children grow up resenting police. And so the cycle continues.

Some people are absolutely bad people and might deserve being checked up on. It's not an all or nothing. But actions have consequences and it can perpetuate the cycle if you're not careful.
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Yeah i hear what you're saying...but in the larger American cities, the chances of stopping the same person several times a month is highly unlikely. And if that happens, they are usually on parole or probation and have to be checked on.
 
Jiigzz said:
I know of plenty of people who dislike the police who aren't criminals. It's all about the interaction.

Its funny, but I remember a cop ticketing a guy for no rego on his car when his own personal car also didnt have a rego.
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when i was a youngster i was a liberal kid into criminal stuff, i hung out with guys who stole cars and some who even robbed people, personally i did a lot of drugs and did a lot of drinking as a underage teenager--i did not like the police back then, even thought of them as pigs, as did most of the other delinquents i hung out with back then.

then i joined the navy and grew up...in the last 20 years every single interaction i have had with police has been positive...i live in a small city of 64,000 where the police are very respected, i know many of them and wave when i see them and always tell them how much respect i have for what they do.

of course i know many who are trouble makers who are breaking the law in one way or another on a almost daily basis, for some reason their regard for the police is not as high as mine--imagine that.
 
thebigt said:
when i was a youngster i was a liberal kid into criminal stuff, i hung out with guys who stole cars and some who even robbed people, personally i did a lot of drugs and did a lot of drinking as a underage teenager--i did not like the police back then, even thought of them as pigs, as did most of the other delinquents i hung out with back then.

then i joined the navy and grew up...in the last 20 years every single interaction i have had with police has been positive...i live in a small city of 64,000 where the police are very respected, i know many of them and wave when i see them and always tell them how much respect i have for what they do.

of course i know many who are trouble makers who are breaking the law in one way or another on a almost daily basis, for some reason their regard for the police is not as high as mine--imagine that.
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In the first one, you could argue if he just showed his ID it would have been done. But legally he doesnt need to unless he is under arrest, so he is exercising his legal right to not show his ID.

Those rights exist so that people can exercise them.
 
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In the first one, you could argue if he just showed his ID it would have been done. But legally he doesnt need to unless he is under arrest, so he is exercising his legal right to not show his ID.

Those rights exist so that people can exercise them.
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The problem is here in the USA is if that happened to a white guy the story would be a nothing-burger and "Now This is News" would be the other youtube channel "Nothing 2 See here Folks."

I have been pulled over for suspicious reasons myself years back, but nobody cries for me because it doesnt fit the racism narrative.
 
Cop says "we only kill Black people"

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'green new deal would cost a lot of green'


key takeaways

1. the green new deal propses sweeping changes to America's energy, transportation, agricultural and manufacturing sectors.

2. the end goal of the green new deal is to eliminate the use of coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear and the internal-combustion engine.

3. the U.S could cut it's carbon-dioxide emissions 100%, and it wouldn't make a difference in averting temperature increases or sea level rise.


sorry if there are any spelling or grammatical errors, this was not a link, i went to the trouble of typing this out word by word.
 
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Cop pulls over Black people and detains them for the terrible crime of hanging a small bauble from the rear view mirrror
 
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What about this one?

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Looks like the parents of that kid didnt teach them well and/or the kid has some serious brat issues.

Nice background music, makes you think its an atrocity.
 
What happened before the kid incident that led to that? I mean being an 11 year old doesnt excuse yourself from complying with authorities.
 
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Haha, I've seen this, but it is so good.

It's the people that aren't doing anythi g illegal that still get beat that's the issue though lol.

Also know that it is tongue and cheek. Chris Rock says to bring a white friend to save you from trouble lol
 
Jiigzz said:
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there are over 800,000 cops in america....imagine if same scrutiny were applied to doctors/scientists or particularly in your case @Jiigzz prosecutors---i bet thousands of mistakes are made in every profession daily-including the medical profession.

i guess you have never heard of people complaining about mistakes made by doctors-eh?

what about all of those doctors who were handing out opiate prescriptions like candy, should we now say the medical profession should be defunded or banned?
 
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