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MSten feedback - How androgenic is it?

StarScream66

StarScream66

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I found a vendor that sells Msten and I was thinking of giving it a shot. What's a normal cycle like for those who have tried it and how were the sides?
 
I've ran it at 45 mg for 4 weeks, really good compound, dry, not so much androgenic, but it will help you put on some size. Start low, some people tend to react differently to it, can't tolerate it well.
 
Alchemist11 said:
Muscle density was out of this world, and I feel really good, even BP was in check
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Hmm that's interested. Did you get in blood tests before and after? What did you use for PCT and did you keep the gains afterwards good?

Also, is 45mg a normal dose? This stuff is 10mg a cap and pretty expensive. Do you think 20 or 30mg would work ok?
 
StarScream66 said:
Hmm that's interested. Did you get in blood tests before and after? What did you use for PCT and did you keep the gains afterwards good?

Also, is 45mg a normal dose? This stuff is 10mg a cap and pretty expensive. Do you think 20 or 30mg would work ok?
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Msten was part of my cycle with Test, Tren and Anavar, haven't done bloods after that cycle. PCT was Nolvadex 40/40/30/20. For your first time, your max dosage with it should be 30 mg, start with 20mg. As for the gains, its all up to you. Be smart, lift smart, eat big and you'll save most of the gains.
 
StarScream66 said:
Hmm that's interested. Did you get in blood tests before and after? What did you use for PCT and did you keep the gains afterwards good?

Also, is 45mg a normal dose? This stuff is 10mg a cap and pretty expensive. Do you think 20 or 30mg would work ok?
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20mg is plenty, and what most people run. A few run 30 but it’s too much for most. @Alchemist11 is a freak of nature talking about 45
 
Renew1 said:
I ran Epistane with Hdrol years ago. (That was a little dry for my taste).
And I've run DMZ and Msten. That was a pretty good cycle.
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What's Hdrol?

Ideally, you want some testosterone with every cycle. I don't like running these cycles individually with designer steroids/prohormones without natural testosterone as a base for the cycle.
 
StarScream66 said:
What's Hdrol?

Ideally, you want some testosterone with every cycle. I don't like running these cycles individually with designer steroids/prohormones without natural testosterone as a base for the cycle.
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It's Halodrol.

Believe it or not, after decades of studying, researching, and using almost countless compounds, I'm pretty current on how to use them. :-)

Sometimes I run Test in cycles, sometimes I don't.
 
StarScream66 said:
What's Hdrol?

Ideally, you want some testosterone with every cycle. I don't like running these cycles individually with designer steroids/prohormones without natural testosterone as a base for the cycle.
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Says the guy who doesn’t know what hdrol is...
 
StarScream66 said:
What's Hdrol?

Ideally, you want some testosterone with every cycle. I don't like running these cycles individually with designer steroids/prohormones without natural testosterone as a base for the cycle.
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Says the guy who doesn’t know what hdrol is...
 
StarScream66 said:
Are you being sarcastic or serious?
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I'm being serious. Halodrol is one of the most widely known steroids.
Some of your advice is awful.

Listen brother, there is nothing wrong with not knowing a lot about a subject, and trying to learn about it (that's even commendable).

But giving advice on a subject you aren't well versed in, and that can have dramatic effects on people's health ... Isn't good.
 
Renew1 said:
I'm being serious. Halodrol is one of the most widely known steroids.
Some of your advice is awful.

Listen brother, there is nothing wrong with not knowing a lot about a subject, and trying to learn about it (that's even commendable).

But giving advice on a subject you aren't well versed in, and that can have dramatic effects on people's health ... Isn't good.
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What specific advice have I given was awful? I consider myself pretty knowledgeable on the subject of AAS and prohormones. I can back up what I say with studies.

But, I don't know all about every PH or designer steroid that's out there.
 
StarScream66 said:
What specific advice have I given was awful? I consider myself pretty knowledgeable on the subject of AAS and prohormones. I can back up what I say with studies.

But, I don't know all about every PH or designer steroid that's out there.
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You seem sincere ...

Most recently, you were advising people to take a steroid combo without knowing how much of each steroid was in it. That isn't responsible. Even if you knew almost nothing about steroids, that's bad advice.

I have guys every day asking for advice about compounds and cycling, and PCTs. And I give them advice, because I've studied for decades man. I really have. And I've used MANY of these compounds, and cycled over decades.

You know what I don't do? I don't join a dog breeding site, and start giving out advice.
Because although I've seen them breeding, and know dog breeders, I don't know enough to give out good advice. And I know that.
 
wfreiling said:
If you’ve never heard of halodrol, you probably shouldn’t be running such compounds.
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Don't be ridiculous. I haven't heard of every designer steroid out there, but I remember when Bruce Kneller first introduced it, I just didn't pay any attention to it. Just because someone hasn't heard of one specific compound doesn't mean I shouldn't be running a cycle or giving advice. I don't give advice on topics I don't know about, which is why I've never given advice regarding hdrol. But trust me, I've run many, many cycles of anabolics and SARMs, This isn't my first rodeo.
 
StarScream66 said:
Don't be ridiculous. I haven't heard of every designer steroid out there, but I remember when Bruce Kneller first introduced it, I just didn't pay any attention to it. Just because someone hasn't heard of one specific compound doesn't mean I shouldn't be running a cycle or giving advice. I don't give advice on topics I don't know about, which is why I've never given advice regarding hdrol. But trust me, I've run many, many cycles of anabolics and SARMs, This isn't my first rodeo.
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if you hadnt heard of the one, I’d say ok. But hdrol? Seriously? Was maybe the most popular designer of its day. I have a hard time understanding how you can claim to be knowledgeable but haven’t even heard of it.
 
Renew1 said:
You seem sincere ...

Most recently, you were advising people to take a steroid combo without knowing how much of each steroid was in it. That isn't responsible. Even if you knew almost nothing about steroids, that's bad advice.
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I mean, cmon dude, the amount in each capsule is 40mg. For each anabolic in the capsule, that would still be much less than what you would run on a standard cycle if you took 1 cap per day. I don't think it's that dangerous of a stack to use. But, that's just my opinion and you are free to disagree with it.

Renew1 said:
have guys every day asking for advice about compounds and cycling, and PCTs. And I give them advice, because I've studied for decades man. I really have. And I've used MANY of these compounds, and cycled over decades.
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So have I. For the last 20 years I've cycled steroids and many other anabolic compounds on and off.

Renew1 said:
You know what I don't do? I don't join a dog breeding site, and start giving out advice.
Because although I've seen them breeding, and know dog breeders, I don't know enough to give out good advice. And I know that.
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I think you're disagreeing with me on one specific issue, and that's fine. But I consider my advice to be valid. I can support what I say with scientific studies 99% of the time. If you don't believe me on something, call me out on it and I'll come back and display what I know with references.
 
StarScream66 said:
I mean, cmon dude, the amount in each capsule is 40mg. For each anabolic in the capsule, that would still be much less than what you would run on a standard cycle if you took 1 cap per day. I don't think it's that dangerous of a stack to use. But, that's just my opinion and you are free to disagree with it.



So have I. For the last 20 years I've cycled steroids and many other anabolic compounds on and off.



I think you're disagreeing with me on one specific issue, and that's fine. But I consider my advice to be valid. I can support what I say with scientific studies 99% of the time. If you don't believe me on something, call me out on it and I'll come back and display what I know with references.
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But the recommended dosage is up to 3 caps per day (which we discussed in the thread). .. And, much less of What?? They aren't telling you the amount of ANY steroid in those caps.

Oh believe me... I will. Like I did.
Safety of guys is a big concern of mine. :)
 
jrock645 said:
if you hadnt heard of the one, I’d say ok. But hdrol? Seriously? Was maybe the most popular designer of its day. I have a hard time understanding how you can claim to be knowledgeable but haven’t even heard of it.
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I used to talk to BK regularly and I remember when he got busted for Red Star Labs because he was selling a compound called "undetectabol", which was a designer steroid that was specifically made to bypass WADA and other organizations testing.

I just simply don't remember the specifics of that particular compound. There are TONS of designer steroids on the market. If you look at the copy of the Vida book (which I have) there are literally hundreds of derivatives of testosterone, nandrolone, and DHT out there that could come on the market any time. If you'd like, I'll take a picture and show you all of my books on AAS I have. I have all the Anabolics books by William Llewellyn and they're personally autographed by him for me.

So, don't judge me just because I didn't know what hdrol is. I think you're selling me short on this one.
 
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