What's your COVID-19 gameplan?

[HIT4ME]

Yeah, I get that. But consensus doesn't make something truth either. Observation and experiment is the best way to identify truth, and even that isn't infallible. I mean, I mentioned Ignaz Sammelweis somewhere around here a couple days ago. The concensus was that doctors knew what they were doing and didn't need to wash their hands. They ridiculed him for the idea that hand washing could save lives. Thank God he didn't give into the consensus...

But, yeah, just because someone says the opposite if the "authority" doesn't make it true either. Haha.

Not to be political, but that is how I feel about anti-trumpers sometimes too. Trump is an azzhole. Check. Fine. Agreed.

He is an azzhole so everything he says or does is wrong and I am for the opposite.

Chloroquine could be great! Oh, now trump is for it and wants to move it forward quickly - so let's start with the articles about how the guy in AZ used his fish tank chloroquine and died..Trump's fault. And Nigerians are dying from it and Trump is pushing it, what a moron.

But if he didn't push it, they would say, "His response to this is abysmal. Why isn't he getting these drugs in the hands of people!?"

But that happens to some degree to every president I guess.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

Thanks @HIT4ME i take both sides and look at either with an open mind. And @muscleupcrohn , of course the sources aren’t going to be credible.... any conspiracy won’t have an 100% credible source. You have to see a theory and research deeper. We all trust our elites and the people and power but governments and people in power lie all the time...

idk why I’m being personally attacked heavily here , though. Others have presented a belief in an agenda and they don’t get chastised as much as I do . I’m not trying to be a troll or hate, but in this stressful time , we are all thinking every possibility.
my gut tells me there is something sinister

 

[Iwilleattuna]

And FYI , I don’t trust either political parties. Yeah, I have more of a conservative set of beliefs but both parties are corrupt and probably work together , laughing at the division they create

 

[Iwilleattuna]

[Howard Zinn:]
Governments lie all the time
Well, not just the American government, it's just in the nature of governments
Well, they have to lie. And since they don't represent the people,
and so since they act against the interest of the people
The only way they can hold power is if they lie to the people

Truth

 

[muscleupcrohn]

[Howard Zinn:]
Governments lie all the time
Well, not just the American government, it's just in the nature of governments
Well, they have to lie. And since they don't represent the people,
and so since they act against the interest of the people
The only way they can hold power is if they lie to the people

Truth

Governments lie, yes. A single government, or group of governments with a shared goal lie together. But for every single government in the developed world, including ones that are enemies/rivals; well, it seems hard to believe that they’re all in it together to lie.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

[Howard Zinn:]
Governments lie all the time
Well, not just the American government, it's just in the nature of governments
Well, they have to lie. And since they don't represent the people,
and so since they act against the interest of the people
The only way they can hold power is if they lie to the people

Truth

Governments lie, yes. A single government, or group of governments with a shared goal lie together. But for every single government in the developed world, including ones that are enemies/rivals; well, it seems hard to believe that they’re all in it together to lie.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Yeah, I get that. But consensus doesn't make something truth either. Observation and experiment is the best way to identify truth, and even that isn't infallible. I mean, I mentioned Ignaz Sammelweis somewhere around here a couple days ago. The concensus was that doctors knew what they were doing and didn't need to wash their hands. They ridiculed him for the idea that hand washing could save lives. Thank God he didn't give into the consensus...

But, yeah, just because someone says the opposite if the "authority" doesn't make it true either. Haha.

Not to be political, but that is how I feel about anti-trumpers sometimes too. Trump is an azzhole. Check. Fine. Agreed.

He is an azzhole so everything he says or does is wrong and I am for the opposite.

Chloroquine could be great! Oh, now trump is for it and wants to move it forward quickly - so let's start with the articles about how the guy in AZ used his fish tank chloroquine and died..Trump's fault. And Nigerians are dying from it and Trump is pushing it, what a moron.

But if he didn't push it, they would say, "His response to this is abysmal. Why isn't he getting these drugs in the hands of people!?"

But that happens to some degree to every president I guess.

My point is tuna said “I talked to a doctor and he said it’s just like the flu, no worse. I don’t know what to believe.” That doctor is a damn quack who should have his or her license revoked.

It’s fair to say we don’t know how bad it’ll get, or what the best course of action is regarding treatment or public policy to combat it. That is fair. But it’s beyond asinine to claim this is no more dangerous/deadly than your normal/yearly flu.

 

[HIT4ME]

Thanks @HIT4ME i take both sides and look at either with an open mind. And @muscleupcrohn , of course the sources aren’t going to be credible.... any conspiracy won’t have an 100% credible source. You have to see a theory and research deeper. We all trust our elites and the people and power but governments and people in power lie all the time...

idk why I’m being personally attacked heavily here , though. Others have presented a belief in an agenda and they don’t get chastised as much as I do . I’m not trying to be a troll or hate, but in this stressful time , we are all thinking every possibility.
my gut tells me there is something sinister

I think you feel hated on because you do post a lot of things that are pretty weak. No offense. But you posted the lysol kills coronavirus thing, and in your defense you didn't say, "See...this is real" you just threw it up there...but this is a conspiracy theory that is easily understood as false and probably is so weak that we have trigger reactions to it at this point.

And you throw a lot of stuff out there...which creates discussion...but a lot of it is just weak theories. But, it is good to question and we gotta best up someone or this site would be pretty boring.

I mean, TheBigT and I would make this site incredibly boring if we were the only two here:

Me: long, rambling diatribe on whatever subject.

TheBigT: I agree

Me: Thanks.

How boring is that?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Yeah, I get that. But consensus doesn't make something truth either. Observation and experiment is the best way to identify truth, and even that isn't infallible. I mean, I mentioned Ignaz Sammelweis somewhere around here a couple days ago. The concensus was that doctors knew what they were doing and didn't need to wash their hands. They ridiculed him for the idea that hand washing could save lives. Thank God he didn't give into the consensus...

But, yeah, just because someone says the opposite if the "authority" doesn't make it true either. Haha.

Not to be political, but that is how I feel about anti-trumpers sometimes too. Trump is an azzhole. Check. Fine. Agreed.

He is an azzhole so everything he says or does is wrong and I am for the opposite.

Chloroquine could be great! Oh, now trump is for it and wants to move it forward quickly - so let's start with the articles about how the guy in AZ used his fish tank chloroquine and died..Trump's fault. And Nigerians are dying from it and Trump is pushing it, what a moron.

But if he didn't push it, they would say, "His response to this is abysmal. Why isn't he getting these drugs in the hands of people!?"

But that happens to some degree to every president I guess.

My point is tuna said “I talked to a doctor and he said it’s just like the flu, no worse. I don’t know what to believe.” That doctor is a damn quack who should have his or her license revoked.

It’s fair to say we don’t know how bad it’ll Bst, or what the best course of action is regarding treatment or public policy to combat it. That is fair. But it’s beyond asinine to claim this is no more dangerous/deadly than your normal/yearly flu.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

My point is tuna said “I talked to a doctor and he said it’s just like the flu, no worse. I don’t know what to believe.” That doctor is a damn quack who should have his or her license revoked.

It’s fair to say we don’t know how bad it’ll get, or what the best course of action is regarding treatment or public policy to combat it. That is fair. But it’s beyond asinine to claim this is no more dangerous/deadly than your normal/yearly flu.

nit saying I believed him , I said I don’t really know because I don’t

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I think you feel hated on because you do post a lot of things that are pretty weak. No offense. But you posted the lysol kills coronavirus thing, and in your defense you didn't say, "See...this is real" you just threw it up there...but this is a conspiracy theory that is easily understood as false and probably is so weak that we have trigger reactions to it at this point.

And you throw a lot of stuff out there...which creates discussion...but a lot of it is just weak theories. But, it is good to question and we gotta best up someone or this site would be pretty boring.

I mean, TheBigT and I would make this site incredibly boring if we were the only two here:

Me: long, rambling diatribe on whatever subject.

TheBigT: I agree

Me: Thanks.

How boring is that?

haha true, I just couldn’t find anything else on it. Debates are great honestly , I’d like to do podcast

 

[HIT4ME]

haha true, I just couldn’t find anything else on it. Debates are great honestly , I’d like to do podcast

I think we should get you and Muscleupcrohn on a podcast - but not in the same room. $5 says you cause Muscleupcrohn to pull out some of his own hair.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

nit saying I believed him , I said I don’t really know because I don’t

And I'm saying to even give such an asinine viewpoint more traction is, well, asinine. It's one thing to say you don't know what to believe, it's another to give everything and anything credibility because of this uncertainty.

We don't know for sure the origin of the universe, etc., but that doesn't mean we give every theory equal weight, or even take every one seriously. If someone said the universe was created 2,000 years ago by a sentient cheese wheel the size of the sun, I'm not going to present it on equal footing with the Big Bang and say "well, I don't really know what to believe."

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I think you feel hated on because you do post a lot of things that are pretty weak. No offense. But you posted the lysol kills coronavirus thing, and in your defense you didn't say, "See...this is real" you just threw it up there...but this is a conspiracy theory that is easily understood as false and probably is so weak that we have trigger reactions to it at this point.

And you throw a lot of stuff out there...which creates discussion...but a lot of it is just weak theories. But, it is good to question and we gotta best up someone or this site would be pretty boring.

I mean, TheBigT and I would make this site incredibly boring if we were the only two here:

Me: long, rambling diatribe on whatever subject.

TheBigT: I agree

Me: Thanks.

How boring is that?


I think we should get you and Muscleupcrohn on a podcast - but not in the same room. $5 says you cause Muscleupcrohn to pull out some of his own hair.

I’d cause him a crohn flare up

And I'm saying to even give such an asinine viewpoint more traction is, well, asinine. It's one thing to say you don't know what to believe, it's another to give everything and anything credibility because of this uncertainty.

We don't know for sure the origin of the universe, etc., but that doesn't mean we give every theory equal weight, or even take every one seriously. If someone said the universe was created 2,000 years ago by a sentient cheese wheel the size of the sun, I'm not going to present it on equal footing with the Big Bang and say "well, I don't really know what to believe."

Can’t have time, matter and space come into existence at once hehe

 

[HIT4ME]

And I'm saying to even give such an asinine viewpoint more traction is, well, asinine. It's one thing to say you don't know what to believe, it's another to give everything and anything credibility because of this uncertainty.

We don't know for sure the origin of the universe, etc., but that doesn't mean we give every theory equal weight, or even take every one seriously. If someone said the universe was created 2,000 years ago by a sentient cheese wheel the size of the sun, I'm not going to present it on equal footing with the Big Bang and say "well, I don't really know what to believe."

Boy are you gonna be shocked when you pass and get greeted by Gouda.

Gouda. God. Coincidence? Hmmm...kinda makes you wonder if there is a quote on the internet fueling a conspiracy theory.

 

[HIT4ME]

I’d cause him a crohn flare up


Can’t have time, matter and space come into existence at once hehe

How can they NOT come into existence at once? How can any of those exist without the other?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Boy are you gonna be shocked when you pass and get greeted by Gouda.

Gouda. God. Coincidence? Hmmm...kinda makes you wonder if there is a quote on the internet fueling a conspiracy theory.

Is Gouda just a portmanteau of God and Buddha? I think you've cracked the code!

 

[justhere4comm]

Is the CDC taking people who've tested positive for Covid-19 off the death list and saying they died of something else?
Anyone have a link? My wife just shot me a text and I'm like What?!?. Literally, that was my response. Can they do that?
Why would they want to lower the Covid-19 Death Rate?

 

[HIT4ME]

Is Gouda just a portmanteau of God and Buddha? I think you've cracked the code!

Holy crap! I didn't even think if Buddha. Mind blown!

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Is the CDC taking people who've tested positive for Covid-19 off the death list and saying they died of something else?
Anyone have a link? My wife just shot me a text and I'm like What?!?. Literally, that was my response. Can they do that?
Why would they want to lower the Covid-19 Death Rate?

Considering this is on the CDC's website, says it was updated today, and lists deaths, I say no.

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[HIT4ME]

Is the CDC taking people who've tested positive for Covid-19 off the death list and saying they died of something else?
Anyone have a link? My wife just shot me a text and I'm like What?!?. Literally, that was my response. Can they do that?
Why would they want to lower the Covid-19 Death Rate?

I hadn't heard of this. I could see them doing it to keep fears down or to save face politically, etc.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

Jesus, Yeshua/ God manifest in the flesh who died and rose again. amen.

can’t create everything out of nothing without a creator

 

[HIT4ME]

Jesus, Yeshua/ God manifest in the flesh who died and rose again. amen.

can’t create everything out of nothing without a creator

If that is true, then how do you ever get a creator??

 

[justhere4comm]

Come on. It’s all in Guardians of the Galaxy II. At least in that single Universe. Not sure of the multiverse.

Again Im no fan of the Higgs Boson ‘god’ particle results that put in dispute a multiverse.

I also am concerned as to what they may be doing by using the large hadron collider so much. May not be wise.

I’m no physicist but I have seen too many movies related to breaking the time space continuum.

 

[thebigt]

MYPILLOW has converted facility into making covid19 masks...they are currently making 10,000 a day and hope to be up to 50,000 a day within a week!!!

whetitgo Mike Lindell

 

[Smont]

Is Gouda just a portmanteau of God and Buddha? I think you've cracked the code!

Gouda is my favorite cheese. Just saying

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Gouda is my favorite cheese. Just saying

Gouda is amazing. I cannot debate that.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

If that is true, then how do you ever get a creator??

God is everlasting . Omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient

Our minds can't comprehend that... yet

 

[Iwilleattuna]

Gouda is amazing. I cannot debate that.

I'm not going to lie, I can't lie even though it was cheeky

I lol'd

 

[Iwilleattuna]

hahahahah

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I've been loving the home workouts with my new stuff. They're amazing . gym got closed 2 days ago

 

[Jiigzz]

This is just wrong. How many italians were infected and showed little to no symptoms or didnt get a test? I would bet a TON!

Oxford did a study in the UK with modeling and they are saying half of UK has already been infected. HALF! Now run the death rate on those numbers.

Does everyone who gets the flu go to the Docs to get it tested? Mortality rates are on those tested for the infection, and of those tested, the rates are substantial in areas like Italy and Spain.

I ran the numbers against the flu numbers, so how is it wrong for covid-19 but not for the flu?

 

[Jiigzz]

I would never trust the CDC...

Didn't I already mention how I never get the flu vaccine ? lol Bill Gates and ebola

You people can keep hating, but I know there is an agenda behind this

No offence, but your circle of conspiracy friends literally thought Purell was in on it because they specify coronavirus on the label lol. I dont exactly trust your judgement on who should be trusted or not.

 

[Jiigzz]

There's no 3 to 5% being killed by this virus. so many people have it or have had it already and don't even know because they never got tested (symptoms confused with flu or sinus infection). This virus has been circulating in the u.s. for a couple months now at least. Any high percentages are coming from a place where they're taking death rates of those who have tested positive for the virus. A true percentage of people who will die is going to be nowhere near 3% to 5. Everybody panicking hyping this s*** up is what's making everybody batshit crazy

I'm not sure you can state this with any degree of confidence. How do you know "so many people have it or had it and didn't know?"

Its mortality rate is decently high, especially in vulnerable populations. Why do you think entire countries are shutting down? The UK, Italy, Spain, NZ, Australia etc? We dont shut down domestic or international travel, keep people indoors, enforce strict quarantine processes for things like the flu or the common cold.

The reason the above is happening is so that medical resources do not become overwhelmed and end up in a situation like Italy where elderly people are being left to die in cases where they simply have no resources to treat them. Again, you dont impose such strict measures unless there is a sense that the situation could get out of control.

 

[Jiigzz]

It's happening already:

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Downgrading because of lockdown procedures and slightly higher infection rates. It'll still be some time before it's true gravity is known.

 

[HIT4ME]

I'm not sure you can state this with any degree of confidence. How do you know "so many people have it or had it and didn't know?"

Its mortality rate is decently high, especially in vulnerable populations. Why do you think entire countries are shutting down? The UK, Italy, Spain, NZ, Australia etc? We dont shut down domestic or international travel, keep people indoors, enforce strict quarantine processes for things like the flu or the common cold.

The reason the above is happening is so that medical resources do not become overwhelmed and end up in a situation like Italy where elderly people are being left to die in cases where they simply have no resources to treat them. Again, you dont impose such strict measures unless there is a sense that the situation could get out of control.

This is an important point here. We are SPECULATING that there are many people out there that are asymptomatic. Of course we don't have much data for this. Some data suggests it, but we are not going out and testing a bunch of people without symptoms - not should we right now, since tests are limited and needed for screening sick people and not for education at the moment.

Further, I think it is somewhat foolish to believe that in all these you tries with limited testing, all of the people being treated for coronavirus are ACTUALLY getting tested. Many if then are probably just getting other infections ruled out and being diagnosed heuristically because the test is not available. If this is the case you could say the numbers are skewed the other way - given a bunch of potentially false positives, the % death rate of actual covid patients could be higher.

 

[poison]

Downgrading because of lockdown procedures and slightly higher infection rates. It'll still be some time before it's true gravity is known.

The revision was issued immediately. Lockdown would take at least 2 weeks to have any effect, if at all.

 

[Jiigzz]

The revision was issued immediately. Lockdown would take at least 2 weeks to have any effect, if at all.

He has stated that his revision is being misinterpreted, heres what he said: Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed

 

[poison]

I'm not sure you can state this with any degree of confidence. How do you know "so many people have it or had it and didn't know?"

Open source info, and logic. Everyone is hyping its robust R0; ok cool, remember that for a sec, and bear with me.

There's a strong possibility this thing was out there since Nov 16th, that we know of:

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Some Chinese media also supports this, with a coverup of a patient on Nov 16th. China also covered up the spread as long as they could, with the first 'official' patient being registered by (asshole) China on Dec 10, and lockdown only occurring by Jan 23, in between which multiple patients were seen in SK, Thailand, Egypt, the US; 10's of thousands flying back and forth between China and other countries; intense travel due to Chinese New Year; and China holding 'the worlds largest potluck' with 10's of thousands in attendance.

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Then there's this (and there are likely other, if not many other, similar events):

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Just because you can't quantify an unknown does not mean you can ignore what is a surety, but any logic. Thinking that all of the above happened, but it did not spread in any meaningful manner over 6-8 weeks before countries got on the lockdown program, is naive, or worse. The recent Oxford study supports this:

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So all the whinging and hand wringing over doom-and-gloom modeling which ignores the elephant in the room (that it's extremely widespread already) is for naught, downright dangerous, and bottom line? It's being used as a political tool in the US. Period.

 

[Jiigzz]

So as above, the prediction is that without preventative tools in place, there will a drastic rise in fatalities. It's important that people do not have a false sense of calm simply because the mortality rate in the US is lower than the global average right now. If medical staff and hospitals were to get overwhelmed, deaths would start to accumulate.

Stay home.

 

[Jiigzz]

Open source info, and logic. Everyone is hyping its robust R0; ok cool, remember that for a sec, and bear with me.

There's a strong possibility this thing was out there since Nov 16th, that we know of:

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Some Chinese media also supports this, with a coverup of a patient on Nov 16th. China also covered up the spread as long as they could, with the first 'official' patient being registered by (asshole) China on Dec 10, and lockdown only occurring by Jan 23, in between which multiple patients were seen in SK, Thailand, Egypt, the US; 10's of thousands flying back and forth between China and other countries; intense travel due to Chinese New Year; and China holding 'the worlds largest potluck' with 10's of thousands in attendance.

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Then there's this (and there are likely other, if not many other, similar events):

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Just because you can't quantify an unknown does not mean you can ignore what is a surety, but any logic. Thinking that all of the above happened, but it did not spread in any meaningful manner over 6-8 weeks before countries got on the lockdown program, is naive, or worse. The recent Oxford study supports this:

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So all the whinging and hand wringing over doom-and-gloom modeling which ignores the elephant in the room (that it's extremely widespread already) is for naught, downright dangerous, and bottom line? It's being used as a political tool in the US. Period.

I'm not from the US, and nothing is being downplayed here. I'm in quarantine and i cant leave my house unless it's for visiting an essential service. I cant travel domestically at the moment, which means I have no idea when I'll see my family again face to face. Schools are closed. Businesses are shut. The government is pouring money into wage subsidies, but who really knows how long this will go? People are losing jobs. Banks are freezing mortgage payments. You cant be evicted by landlords unless mutual agreement.

It might be used as a Political tool where you are, but it's not all about the US.

Invalid Link Removed - try visiting here to see how its impacting my small corner of the world.

It's not all doom and gloom, however heed Italy's message: be prepared or end up like us.

 

[poison]

I'm not from the US, and nothing is being downplayed here. I'm in quarantine and i cant leave my house unless it's for visiting an essential service. I cant travel domestically at the moment, which means I have no idea when I'll see my family again face to face. Schools are closed. Businesses are shut. The government is pouring money into wage subsidies, but who really knows how long this will go? People are losing jobs. Banks are freezing mortgage payments. You cant be evicted by landlords unless mutual agreement.

It might be used as a Political tool where you are, but it's not all about the US.

Invalid Link Removed - try visiting here to see how its impacting my small corner of the world.

It's not all doom and gloom, however heed Italy's message: be prepared or end up like us.

Lol, calm down. Since you're acting like everyone is a stereotypical dumb American (which is its own brand of dumb), I'm Israeli, a majority of my family lives in Israel, they are on lock down AND having missiles fired at them (good times). We are on lock down here in Los Angeles as well, and have been for 2 weeks, with at least another month to go now. I lived overseas for years. We are all in more or less the same position, so no need to act like you're worse off.

I specified that it's being used as a political tool in the US, precisely so you wouldn't need to comment that it's not where you are, yet you did anyway. Lol

 

[Jiigzz]

Lol, calm down. Since you're acting like everyone is a stereotypical dumb American (which is its own brand of dumb), I'm Israeli, a majority of my family lives in Israel, they are on lock down AND having missiles fired at them (good times). We are on lock down here in Los Angeles as well, and have been for 2 weeks, with at least another month to go now. I lived overseas for years. We are all in more or less the same position, so no need to act like you're worse off.

I specified that it's being used as a political tool in the US, precisely so you wouldn't need to comment that it's not where you are, yet you did anyway. Lol

I think you missed the point i was trying to make: if it is not really "that bad", then why is the world reacting the way it is?

Noones trying to say anyone else is worse off, it might just pay to look at other news media if you felt yours was too political.

 

[poison]

I think you missed the point i was trying to make: if it is not really "that bad", then why is the world reacting the way it is?

Noones trying to say anyone else is worse off, it might just pay to look at other news media if you felt yours was too political.

There's a lot of 'well if THEY'RE doing it, it must be bad, so maybe we should too', as well as the aforementioned unknown levels of exposure globally.

 

[Jiigzz]

There's a lot of 'well if THEY'RE doing it, it must be bad, so maybe we should too', as well as the aforementioned unknown levels of exposure globally.

Time will tell.

 

[thebigt]

even the poorest countries have a wealthy class who travels.

eventually every country will be affected. if industrial 1st world countries are suffering imagine how hard it will hit 3rd world countries.

this virus is far from over.

 

[Godstrength]

I'm not sure you can state this with any degree of confidence. How do you know "so many people have it or had it and didn't know?"

Its mortality rate is decently high, especially in vulnerable populations. Why do you think entire countries are shutting down? The UK, Italy, Spain, NZ, Australia etc? We dont shut down domestic or international travel, keep people indoors, enforce strict quarantine processes for things like the flu or the common cold.

The reason the above is happening is so that medical resources do not become overwhelmed and end up in a situation like Italy where elderly people are being left to die in cases where they simply have no resources to treat them. Again, you dont impose such strict measures unless there is a sense that the situation could get out of control.

Pretty sure I had it a few weeks ago just wasn't tested for it. Not only me but about a third of the people at my work we're all sick with it I believe. Over 80% of the people only experience mild symptoms. People that are dying have underlying conditions primarily. Yes I'm fairly certain that 3 to 5% is just not going to happen. I believe it's been in our country for a while and moving around. One of the senator stated that between January and March they know for certain people in our country died with covid 19 and they thought it was the flu or pneumonia.

I think it is dangerous in a pretty bad nasty virus. But I think nasty viruses flus etc have been circulating and kill people everyday. I understand this may be a little bit worse because it's super contagious. However this particular strain does not seem to change as some viruses do so scientists are saying once you get at once you won't be able to catch it again because you'll have antibodies. This virus does not mutate.

That being said I think people panicking and instilling fear is also making everybody act crazy. well I do believe it's serious I just think it's going to have to run its course the people who die will die in the ones who get it will build an immune system and antibodies to protect against it

 

[Jiigzz]

Pretty sure I had it a few weeks ago just wasn't tested for it. Not only me but about a third of the people at my work we're all sick with it I believe. Over 80% of the people only experience mild symptoms. People that are dying have underlying conditions primarily. Yes I'm fairly certain that 3 to 5% is just not going to happen. I believe it's been in our country for a while and moving around. One of the senator stated that between January and March they know for certain people in our country died with covid 19 and they thought it was the flu or pneumonia.

I think it is dangerous in a pretty bad nasty virus. But I think nasty viruses flus etc have been circulating and kill people everyday. I understand this may be a little bit worse because it's super contagious. However this particular strain does not seem to change as some viruses do so scientists are saying once you get at once you won't be able to catch it again because you'll have antibodies. This virus does not mutate.

That being said I think people panicking and instilling fear is also making everybody act crazy. well I do believe it's serious I just think it's going to have to run its course the people who die will die in the ones who get it will build an immune system and antibodies to protect against it

I'm just going to ignore the top part because there's no way you can say "pretty sure" given the symptoms are similar to the flu and cold. Coughs and temperatures are not uncommon, so maybe you did, but there's no way you can self diagnose something like this.

It also does mutate. It underwent a mutation when it infected humans and scientists had long expected for a coronavirus to mutate to infect humans given the prevalence of them in bat populations. As a virus reproduces, they accumulate genetic changes, and in some cases these changes can enable to change across species. Lots of good data on this. It mutates, but it's not doing it very quickly.

Are you saying that we should simply let the elderly and vulnerable die? How do you think the average person would feel if you said to the nation: just let everyone get it and let the people who will die, die. Lol. Pretty sure Boris Johnson got slammed for having a semi similar message.

 

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In case you're interested in the mutation side, visit: nautilus.us/issue/83/intelligence/how-genetic-mutations-turned-the-coronavirus-deadly

 

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I'm just going to ignore the top part because there's no way you can say "pretty sure" given the symptoms are similar to the flu and cold. Coughs and temperatures are not uncommon, so maybe you did, but there's no way you can self diagnose something like this.

It also does mutate. It underwent a mutation when it infected humans and scientists had long expected for a coronavirus to mutate to infect humans given the prevalence of them in bat populations. As a virus reproduces, they accumulate genetic changes, and in some cases these changes can enable to change across species. Lots of good data on this. It mutates, but it's not doing it very quickly.

Are you saying that we should simply let the elderly and vulnerable die? How do you think the average person would feel if you said to the nation: just let everyone get it and let the people who will die, die. Lol. Pretty sure Boris Johnson got slammed for having a semi similar message.

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Of course you shouldn't "just let the vulnerable and elderly die" but nothing is going to stop that. We can only all do our part to limit the spread which is extremely difficult considering it's airborne and can survive for days in the atmosphere.