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Tell SNS What You Would Like to See From Us (2020 Edition)

Resolve10 said:
That sounds pretty sweet actually and more in line with what I was thinking heart health wise too.

Two posts for amealpeptides close together! Ha.

I'd be intrigued by something with them as I actually think it is one of the few things I haven't tried. Its research seemed more blood pressure based and in formulas I just didn't care to pick up yet so this is interesting (also don't think I've ever seen it individually for my "experimental" purposes).

Rhodiola is always loved here, I love Stress and Anxiety from SNS for my Rhodiola (with higher Salidrosides) currently.
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I love Amealpeptide for blood pressure support purposes but not so much for sports nutrition purposes. AmealPeptide is the branded version name for it for blood pressure and the Vaso Drive AP is the branded name for sports nutrition and is usually used at half the dose of the AmealPeptide for blood pressure. I've used AmealPeptide for years and to be totally honest, it surprised me that they started trying to market it in the sports nutrition side of the industry - so think of it like this, I used it for years at the high dose never having noticed a sports nutrition benefit myself. Some people may like it though as I don't respond to some things that others do.

I'm glad that you're still loving the Stress and Anxiety Support. I think its one of the most underrated and overlooked products on the market.
 
ironkill said:
a probiotic with TWK10

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I'll add that to my list of ingredients to keep an eye one.
 
Resolve10 said:
That sounds pretty sweet actually and more in line with what I was thinking heart health wise too.



Two posts for amealpeptides close together! Ha.

I'd be intrigued by something with them as I actually think it is one of the few things I haven't tried. Its research seemed more blood pressure based and in formulas I just didn't care to pick up yet so this is interesting (also don't think I've ever seen it individually for my "experimental" purposes).

Rhodiola is always loved here, I love Stress and Anxiety from SNS for my Rhodiola (with higher Salidrosides) currently.
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I saw that, so I thought i'd second it to give it some weight as I am curious to try it on it's own like you, and most amealPeptides I've found stand-alone are under dosed 3mg where vasodrive-ap is dosed higher, which I've had a good experience with it in a product, I've tried it just wasn't stand alone so I couldn't really see it's true potential.

That is a great comprehensive formula covering all of the bases for sure, I've been using 5% salidrosides in self experimentation , and now up to 8% that is in a product with other things in it, however I wasn't taking it for it's purposes of lowered anxiety or stress, I have been taking it for a few months for the proliferation enhancing ( nerve regeneration )effects and for anti-inflammatory purposes.
I've found for me the higher the percentage of salidrosides the better. (I've had nerve damage on my lower left lat for over years from a injury with significant atrophy) it wasn't till I started the higher doseage 5% salidrosides, that my lower left lat started to spasm and get itchy, so I knew something was going on with the nerve that was damaged, then I found 8% in another product and made a lot more headway with the contraction and size again, not to mention all of the "nootropic" and performance benefits.
 
big_jewels said:
I saw that, so I thought i'd second it to give it some weight as I am curious to try it on it's own like you, and most amealPeptides I've found stand-alone are under dosed 3mg where vasodrive-ap is dosed higher, which I've had a good experience with it in a product, I've tried it just wasn't stand alone so I couldn't really see it's true potential.
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The way companies dose the VasoDrive AP is misleading. The dose for AmealPeptide is higher. See following post for details.
 
AmealPeptide &/vs VasoDrive AP

The purpose of this post is to explain AmealPeptide & VasoDrive AP and avoid confusion related to the dosing.

Since I mentioned it and someone else mentioned it and others mentioned being interested, I wanted to clear this up for everyone before anyone goes researching it and gets confused on it; because it can be very confusing due to the way some companies label it (and in my opinion, its very misleading to consumers).

Let me start off by saying that I love this ingredient for blood pressure.

AmealPeptide and VasoDrive AP are the same ingredient.

AmealPeptide is the branded version that is used for blood pressure.

VasoDrive AP came later and is the same ingredient just under a different branded name geared towards sports nutrition benefits. (Hence the more sports nutrition friendly branded ingredient name).

VasoDrive AP is NOT stronger than AmealPeptide. At the commonly used dose of 225 mg., VasoDrive AP is less than half as strong as AmealPeptide. I know that seems confusing with seeing AmealPeptide commonly dosed at 3.4 mg. but here's why:

The clinical studies on AmealPeptide for blood pressure were done at 3.4 mg. Lactotripeptides.

It takes 508 mg. of AmealPeptide to equal 3.4 mg. of Lactotripeptides.

So at the commonly used dosage of 225 mg., VasoDrive AP would contain approximately 1.5 mg. Lactotripeptides; less than half the dose of AmealPeptide.

Why don't you see many/any companies using AmealPeptide in blood pressure support formulas?
I think this ingredient is not well known and underrated and it is very expensive in terms of cost for one raw material. So combined with it not being popular + being expensive, it isn't seen as profitable by most companies and I absolutely understand why.

Why do companies use lower dosing for sports nutrition - VasoDrive AP?
Because this ingredient is crazy expensive and since they are using it for workout enhancement benefits, the licensing company doesn't make them stick to the dosages that they used in the blood pressure studies (no reason to as long as they aren't making blood pressure claims). So by identifying it as for example 225 mg., the companies aren't technically lying because it is 225 mg. of AmealPeptide, they just aren't specifying that that is actually a lower dose than the 3.4 mg. versions you see under the AmealPeptide branded name.

My Experience:
I have used AmealPeptide for almost 2 years (and its predecessor version before that) for blood pressure support. I absolutely love the ingredient for that purpose BUT I was surprised when VasoDrive AP came out because in years of using this ingredient, I had never noticed any type of improved pumps or performance enhancement benefit from. So, you figure that I was using over double the dose of the typical VasoDrive AP supplement by using the correct AmealPeptide dose and never even considered it being a sports nutrition ingredient. Now, this is just my personal experience - some people may get results from it for that purposes, I just personally did not.



I hope this post helps everyone in terms of understanding this ingredient.
 
aaronuconn said:
How much of a drop in BP are you seeing with AmealPeptide?
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High blood pressure runs in all the males in my family. Mine's been high since I was a teenager. Many times very scarily high - I'm talking systolic over 200, diastolic over 140 sometimes. My dad has had this issue all his life as well. AmealPeptide was originally under a different name (long story) and I started using it then and it helped. Then it disappeared off the market and when it came back as AmealPeptide I started using it again. I now use AmealPeptide, MegaNatural BP, Hawthorn, CoQ10, and VASO6 as my blood pressure regimen and my blood pressure ranges between 120 and 140 over 80 to 95. Some may consider that borderline or high but if you compare it to what it was before, its pretty incredible.

The reason I can isolate AmealPeptide working without the others is that years ago I was using it without the others. My numbers definitely improved on it, more than would've been expected from a supplement honestly. But I've tweaked my combination over time and I think I've found the perfect one for me.
 
aaronuconn said:
Relora was popular quite some time ago, but haven’t seen it around much.


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Very expensive ingredient to use.

Dr. Oz promoted this and at one time anything he promoted sold like crazy but then the backlash happened bc he started promoting too many different things and it was almost like people didn't take it seriously if he did promote it.
 
I’d suggest something as simple as Leucine tabs or caps. The powder tastes gross but caps wouldn’t have the negative taste and taking 3g worth of Leucine caps after a workout would be very convenient. So maybe 1g Leucine a cap, 90 cap bottle.

Throw in some in some HICA and tart cherry and you’d have the ultimate convenient post workout supp. Call it RecoverXT and call it a day.
 
BigGame84 said:
I’d suggest something as simple as Leucine tabs or caps. The powder tastes gross but caps wouldn’t have the negative taste and taking 3g worth of Leucine caps after a workout would be very convenient. So maybe 1g Leucine a cap, 90 cap bottle.
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Thanks for the suggestion. Most contract manufacturers don't have size 000 encapsulation equipment that is needed to make 1 gram capsules; and a lot of people complain about not being able to swallow them. If enough people were interested, we would be glad to do a 750 mg. capsule. So to get to 3 grams would be 4 caps rather than 3, but they'd be a lot easier to swallow.
 
sns8778 said:
Thanks for the suggestion. Most contract manufacturers don't have size 000 encapsulation equipment that is needed to make 1 gram capsules; and a lot of people complain about not being able to swallow them. If enough people were interested, we would be glad to do a 750 mg. capsule. So to get to 3 grams would be 4 caps rather than 3, but they'd be a lot easier to swallow.
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That’s fine. Just make it a 120 cap bottle then. Throw in some HICA and Tart Cherry also and call it RecoverXT.
 
sns8778 said:
Thanks for the suggestion. Most contract manufacturers don't have size 000 encapsulation equipment that is needed to make 1 gram capsules; and a lot of people complain about not being able to swallow them. If enough people were interested, we would be glad to do a 750 mg. capsule. So to get to 3 grams would be 4 caps rather than 3, but they'd be a lot easier to swallow.
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That’s fine. Just make it a 120 cap bottle then. Throw in some HICA and Tart Cherry also and call it RecoverXT.
 
3G leucine
1G Hica
400-500mg tart cherry

^ Adding in any form of creatine to this .. well not any lol .. i mean mono, mcc or chl

would a make a nice muscle building/atp increase product also makes recovery easier

can throw in that quality cel kaanaease on top of it :)
 
BigGame84 said:
Bring back PLCAR
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Unfortunately it didn't sell hardly at all. I like the ingredient but that was an example of one that everyone asked for but not many people bought :(
 
With as much talk as Pine Pollen is getting on here, anyone interested in Pine Pollen capsules?
 
aaronuconn said:
That’s unfortunate. Great with X-Gels.

How about PLCAR in an endurance product?
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The problem with PLCAR as a single ingredient is that it didn't sell. And it wasn't possible to really do small batches bc it gets sticky and is only worth it to contract manufacturers to do the equipment cleanup if they are running small batches.

In an endurance product, I could see two potential problems - LCLT being more popular and PLCAR making the powder clump if it was a powder and you used an effective dose or having to do a larger size run if it was a capsule and having to worry about if it sold bc endurance products traditionally don't sell well. I have thought about making an endurance product but not sure if would use PLCAR in there. I'll definitely give it some consideration.
 
sns8778 said:
The problem with PLCAR as a single ingredient is that it didn't sell. And it wasn't possible to really do small batches bc it gets sticky and is only worth it to contract manufacturers to do the equipment cleanup if they are running small batches.

In an endurance product, I could see two potential problems - LCLT being more popular and PLCAR making the powder clump if it was a powder and you used an effective dose or having to do a larger size run if it was a capsule and having to worry about if it sold bc endurance products traditionally don't sell well. I have thought about making an endurance product but not sure if would use PLCAR in there. I'll definitely give it some consideration.
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Understood. If it didn’t sell well, then we get it if you pass on it. Thanks for the insight!
 
I would also like to suggest a Anacylus Pyrethrum Root Extract. It should be a clean product with only this ingredients. I have tried this from PR XT, Test1fy and Progenadrex. They all works, but I would like to buy it without other ingredients and the side effects that follow from these.
 
narc said:
I would also like to suggest a Anacylus Pyrethrum Root Extract. It should be a clean product with only this ingredients. I have tried this from PR XT, Test1fy and Progenadrex. They all works, but I would like to buy it without other ingredients and the side effects that follow from these.
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I have tried solo and works great .. for me and couple of pple i had them on it as well .. all 3 said it was a good solo ingrident

Yeah solo route would be nice and you can stack it on your own.
 
Hopefully this thread picks back up suggestion wise. I'm really interested to hear everyone's ideas.

Here are a few things we get asked for in other places that I'd like to get opinions on:

Eria Jarensis caps
Paradoxine caps
Dynamine caps
Kava Caps
Cissus Powder
BHB Caps & Powder

Formulas we've been asked about/for in this thread:
Anti-Aging Product
Multi-Vitamin
Stim Pre-Workout (we already have VasoForce Rush caps; would be willing to do powder version if people want)
EAA Product
Creatine/Muscle Recovery Product - already in the works with the daily ergogenic
Electrolyte product
Libido Supplement
Blood Pressure Supplement
Heart Health Supplement
Optimize-T (test booster that we've been discussing for awhile)
Sleep Aid - confirmed
Inflammation product - confirmed
Curcumin product - confirmed
Digestive product featuring PepZin GI (maybe + Probiotic + Gentian)
A probiotic with TWK10

Single Ingredient products we've been asked for in this thread:
(Note - even if we don't do them as singles, they may be included in formulas)

Peak 02 - confirmed
KannaEase - confirmed
Maral Root
Laxogenin
Pine Pollen
Siberian Ginseng
Lodhra/Symplocos Racemosa Extract
Tomatidine
HICA
Phosphatidic Acid
PrimaVie (maybe with CoQ10)
Leucine Caps
High % Salidrosides
Anacylus Pyrethrum DC Root Extract - everyone of course asks for the same as the original PES AnaBeta but no one can guarantee that because no one knows exactly what that was besides them.
Cistanche Deserticola/Tubulosa (strongest extract possible)
Black Ginger Root
Eucommia Ulmoides 100:1 or higher
Protodioscin 40% or higher - cannot be done cost effectively
Turkesterone/Ecdysterone - cannot be done cost effectively
Spilanthes
Fadogia Agrestis - not a fan of it as a single ingredient bc M-Test offers it at such great price, but open to it if enough ppl want
Panax Ginseng


I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and feedback.
 
aaronuconn said:
Of all the ideas, are any out of the question? Due to availability, price, etc
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Some of them I don't know the price on and would have to check.

Protodioscin (40% or higher) would be out of the question because I don't think anyone would want to pay the price it would cost for it.

Ecdysterone/Turkesterone would be out of the question because I don't think anyone would want to pay the price for what it would cost for them.

Laxogenin I'm not personally a fan of but would consider one if enough people wanted one.
 
Love the confirmations :)
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
1.) Anti Aging
2.) Heart Health
3.) Libido

4.) T-booster, but I have a feeling this is a done deal.
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Actually, the test booster isn't a done deal. The hold back on it has been trying to create something different than M-Test that could be considered an alternative to it in some way. That's hard to do because M-Test is such a comprehensive formula.

I do have an idea that I'm working on getting priced out but I'm very much open to suggestions.
 
max silver said:
Urolithin B would be cool.
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I thought about that one but there is so much controversy and debate around it. I guess on one hand, offering it as a single ingredient product without hyping it and just saying - hey, here it is, let us know what you think - may solve some of that for everyone; but at the same time we wouldn't want anyone getting upset at us if they didn't get results when I'd straight out say I'm not sold on the ingredient and if it does or doesn't.

I hope that makes sense.
 
1)Anti-aging
2)blood pressure
3)heart health
4)sleep aid
5)inflammation

I would be interested in these. For libido I have found M-test and Anabolic Effect together works VERY well. An Endurance formula and/or and eye health formula would be nice too.
 
sns8778 said:
I thought about that one but there is so much controversy and debate around it. I guess on one hand, offering it as a single ingredient product without hyping it and just saying - hey, here it is, let us know what you think - may solve some of that for everyone; but at the same time we wouldn't want anyone getting upset at us if they didn't get results when I'd straight out say I'm not sold on the ingredient and if it does or doesn't.

I hope that makes sense.
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Yeah that's a totally sensible stance to take if you don't really believe the product is beneficial at this stage.
 
semtex said:
I double dosed massacr3 for 3 months and didn't see much from it
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Dang that’s a Lot of $ spend .. but you have it a shot

Leave laxo and come to -epi world :)
 
You mentioned interest in eria jarensis caps and powdered preworkout, I'd be interested in eria jarensis in a powdered workout. Getting harder to find DMAA in a good preworkout but I hear eria is not bad for being totally unregulated. Never found a good company I liked with eria jarensis in their preworkout though.
 
Honestly, I don't buy many supplements anymore. I am heavily interested in Anti Aging, inflammation, Heart Health tho.

Libido would be great, something which makes me even more horny and shoot bigger loads! Definitely not a test booster, definitely a libido product tho!
 
sns8778 said:
Hopefully this thread picks back up suggestion wise. I'm really interested to hear everyone's ideas.

Here are a few things we get asked for in other places that I'd like to get opinions on:

Eria Jarensis caps
Paradoxine caps
Dynamine caps
Kava Caps
Cissus Powder
BHB Caps & Powder
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Here’s my feedback- and it’s just feedback and not a criticism

Eria Caps- this would be awesome. Many pre’s that pulled DMHA also pulled out Eria for no logical reason. This is a good moderate stim without serous side effects. Looked around my shelf recently for something with Eria and only found Ignit3 with the full spectrum of stims

Paradoxine- again, yes, if it’s affordable. Amazon prices are stubbornly high compared to getting almost the same dose in a full fat burner. I’d like to run 120 mg / serving. So if you stick to 40 mg caps like others, “hardcore” users will tear through that pretty quickly. And they should. It shines much better above 100 mg than at 20-40 mg ( or worse) in off the shelf products.

Dynamine caps- okay, but the issue is that Dynamine is everywhere. Not sure how this would sell for you. I find it okay but also not great.

Kava caps- I feel you’d struggle to establish a market here. Most kava fans go for teas or powders. And the reputation on Reddit is that caps are junk. Likely other companies burn that bridge. Maybe you could make a mind blowing formula. But kava is best sipped slowly and find your dose that way. I wouldn’t just take a cap as is. I wouldn’t know what strength to expect. There’s a lot of variation from supplier to supplier.

Cissus powder- eww. I can barely stomach the primaforce powder. Caps are much better.

BHB- no comments here, this one isn’t up my alley.
 
New guy said:
You mentioned interest in eria jarensis caps and powdered preworkout, I'd be interested in eria jarensis in a powdered workout. Getting harder to find DMAA in a good preworkout but I hear eria is not bad for being totally unregulated. Never found a good company I liked with eria jarensis in their preworkout though.
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I like Eria Jarensis myself. My go to until now when I've wanted to use it in a capsule has been the ECA Stack from Muscle Addiction (Eria Jarensis, Caffeine, and Aframomum).

We likely wouldn't put Eria Jarensis in a pre-workout bc some retailers won't carry Eria Jarensis; which honestly doesn't make sense because its compliant but there's no convincing some people of some things haha. Plus, I'll go ahead and reveal that we have a powdered pre-workout done all the way through flavor samples and labels and it's strong. If we did Eria caps, you could add one to it if you wanted to, but most people wouldn't need to take one.

In the meantime, if you want a strong pre-workout with Eria, pm me and I'll let you know of one that I just tried and give you a coupon code for it. I don't want to start talking about it in this thread and have the thread to wind up being about that haha.
 
AdelV said:
Honestly, I don't buy many supplements anymore. I am heavily interested in Anti Aging, inflammation, Heart Health tho.

Libido would be great, something which makes me even more horny and shoot bigger loads! Definitely not a test booster, definitely a libido product tho!
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I'll go ahead and reveal that we have a product named Inflammation Assist XT in production; I cannot reveal anything about the formula yet but I think everyone will be very pleased with it. Very high end top of the line formulation.

Libido - definitely interested in doing one of these. I value your opinion and would love to hear any suggestions for ingredients you'd like to see in there, on both the libido and shooting bigger loads part as I think that's a vital component for a libido product.

Anti-Aging - I would love to hear your and others thoughts and opinions on this. Definitely would love to do one.

Heart Health - Blood pressure formula done; but would also love to do a Heart Health one. I would love to hear your and others thoughts and opinions on ingredients that would like to see in it.
 
determination said:
1)Anti-aging
2)blood pressure
3)heart health
4)sleep aid
5)inflammation

I would be interested in these. For libido I have found M-test and Anabolic Effect together works VERY well. An Endurance formula and/or and eye health formula would be nice too.
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Thank you for the feedback. I absolutely agree that M-Test and Anabolic Effect work great for libido.

With your suggestions, I think/hope you'll be very happy soon. We have a blood pressure product lined up to go into production and Inflammation Assist XT and Sleep Assist XT in production now :)

Anti-Aging - Definitely interested in doing one of these. There are so many different directions we could go with this, I would love to see people's opinions on what ingredients that they would like to see in it.

Heart Health - I would love to continue to hear people's opinions on what they'd like to see in one of these. Definitely willing to do one.

Eye Formula - I want to do one of these badly and have been working on a formulation for it for awhile, it just keeps getting put behind other things. I would love to hear peoples opinions of what they'd like to see in it.

Endurance Formula - I thought about something like this. The biggest problem is that these traditionally haven't sold well. But I'd love to hear people's thoughts as to what they'd like to see in it and also if they'd like to see Beta Alanine in it; I know its a great ingredient for endurance but some people hate the tingles from it.
 
N2ofusion said:
Here’s my feedback- and it’s just feedback and not a criticism

Eria Caps- this would be awesome. Many pre’s that pulled DMHA also pulled out Eria for no logical reason. This is a good moderate stim without serous side effects. Looked around my shelf recently for something with Eria and only found Ignit3 with the full spectrum of stims

Paradoxine- again, yes, if it’s affordable. Amazon prices are stubbornly high compared to getting almost the same dose in a full fat burner. I’d like to run 120 mg / serving. So if you stick to 40 mg caps like others, “hardcore” users will tear through that pretty quickly. And they should. It shines much better above 100 mg than at 20-40 mg ( or worse) in off the shelf products.

Dynamine caps- okay, but the issue is that Dynamine is everywhere. Not sure how this would sell for you. I find it okay but also not great.

Kava caps- I feel you’d struggle to establish a market here. Most kava fans go for teas or powders. And the reputation on Reddit is that caps are junk. Likely other companies burn that bridge. Maybe you could make a mind blowing formula. But kava is best sipped slowly and find your dose that way. I wouldn’t just take a cap as is. I wouldn’t know what strength to expect. There’s a lot of variation from supplier to supplier.

Cissus powder- eww. I can barely stomach the primaforce powder. Caps are much better.

BHB- no comments here, this one isn’t up my alley.
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We are definitely open to Eria caps. We wouldn't be using it in a pre at this time because we've already finished formulating a pre all the way through flavor samples and labels. And it's very strong so the average person wouldn't want anymore stims with it. For those that love Eria and strong stims, they could always take Eria with it if we offer it in capsules.

I can explain the reason that a lot of brands pulled Eria from their pre's. It's not legal in some of the popular international markets and several of the bigger online retailers will not carry products with Eria in it; which makes no sense bc its compliant but there's no persuading retailers like that once they make their minds up.

Paradoxine - if we do one of these, it would likely be 100 mg. capsules. I think 50 mg. of Paradoxine is fine in formulation products like Lean Edge but I think single ingredient capsules would be nice for people

Dynamine - we've been asked quite a bit. I don't expect it to be a huge seller but willing to make it bc we've been asked enough.

Kava - I have a great raw material supplier source. I think for us, it would be more the Phenibut XT crowd looking for something as close to that as possible.

Cissus Powder - we get asked for this a lot. I much prefer capsules myself. People like our Cissus XT caps and I do think it would make sense to make a powder for people that prefer it, but yeah, I'd stick with capsules myself.

Let me know if you have any ideas you'd like to share. I appreciate the feedback.
 
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