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So, I found this for a good price yesterday and bought it thinking it was the normal depot formula , but the one I bought contains epiandosterone. Wouldn’t this be suppressive ? And cause other side effects? Guess I got to return it 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Confused because they said this can be run during a pct which I’m not on , but isn’t epiandro suppressive?
 

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You have 9 ingredients, so doses are probably not huge. I’d imagine it’s in there to give a little bump to DHT which can help with lowering estrogen levels.
 
Lol that’s what u get for buying hitech stuff
 
Update- Got a full refund. Don’t want to be messing with epiandro yet and I’d rather just buy a full dose epiandro product if I decided lol
 
Update- Got a full refund. Don’t want to be messing with epiandro yet and I’d rather just buy a full dose epiandro product if I decided lol


that was pretty nice of them .. glad it worked out
 
I have this product but have yet to use it consistently. Mostly because I don’t feel anything from it so I go for more potent options. For comparison purposes, it’s notably weaker than Inhibit-E for example. It also doesn’t give the libido boost you would anticipate. At least for me anyway..

Bottom line though, it shouldn’t be suppressive. It’s nice that you were able to get your money back nonetheless!
 
I have this product but have yet to use it consistently. Mostly because I don’t feel anything from it so I go for more potent options. For comparison purposes, it’s notably weaker than Inhibit-E for example. It also doesn’t give the libido boost you would anticipate. At least for me anyway..

Bottom line though, it shouldn’t be suppressive. It’s nice that you were able to get your money back nonetheless!

Well, that’s good . Since it didn’t do much I’m glad I got my money back, lol

I’m considering a pure epiandosterone cycle but 🤷🏻‍♂️. Guessing that would shut me down and such . And still on the fence about crossing to the dark side

Wondering if it may help my hypogonadal symptoms though
 
Well, that’s good . Since it didn’t do much I’m glad I got my money back, lol

I’m considering a pure epiandosterone cycle but 🤷🏻‍♂️. Guessing that would shut me down and such . And still on the fence about crossing to the dark side

Wondering if it may help my hypogonadal symptoms though
There does seem to be no clear consensus on Epiandro and suppression, but the chance of shutdown is slim to none. While it seems odd that nodody anywhere seems to have done bloodwork post cycle of Epiandro or Androsterone, it’s likely because people commonly combine Epiandro with stronger prohormones/anabolics. Secondly, people that have run Epiandro exclusive cycles probably don’t feel the need to get bloodwork because they don’t feel suppressed, and basically just fall right back to baseline -or very close.

Most people (including myself) recommend only using a high quality test booster upon completing an Epiandro and/or Androsterone cycle. Maybe also add in some Invictus or Reduce XT. On the other hand, I am not well versed in hypogonadism- aside from knowing what it is- so I don’t know if that condition would make your road back to baseline more complex. I tend to think not, just because of the nature of Epiandro and the DHT it converts to is merely a testosterone metabolite.

As far as it helping your hypogonadism symptoms- I would say it most certainly should! That’s why people enjoy adding it in as a “test base” option in an effort to alleviate the feelings of being suppressed. It should increase mood, confidence, strength, libido, and more!
 
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There does seem to be no clear consensus on Epiandro and suppression, but the chance of shutdown is slim to none. While it seems odd that nodody anywhere seems to have done bloodwork post cycle of Epiandro or Androsterone, it’s likely because people commonly combine Epiandro with stronger prohormones/anabolics. Secondly, people that have run Epiandro exclusive cycles probably don’t feel the need to get bloodwork because they don’t feel suppressed, and basically just fall right back to baseline -or very close.

Most people (including myself) recommend only using a high quality test booster upon completing an Epiandro and/or Androsterone cycle. Maybe also add in some Invictus or Reduce XT. On the other hand, I am not well versed in hypogonadism- aside from knowing what it is- so I don’t know if that condition would make your road back to baseline more complex. I tend to think not, just because of the nature of Epiandro and the DHT it converts to is merely a testosterone metabolite.

As far as it helping your hypogonadism symptoms- I would say it most certainly should! That’s why people enjoy adding it in as a “test base” option in an effort to alleviate the feelings of being suppressed. It should increase mood, confidence, strength, libido, and more!

Thank you, brother ! Great write up! I think I may give it a shot.

It’s true that most people run it with another pro and it’s more of a base. I think I’ll be fine if I run a moderate dose. How much would you recommend?

I know hair loss could be a possibility but I need something to alleviate these symptoms. And the dht effects may lower shgb too.

Any brand of epiandro you’d recommend?
 
Well, that’s good . Since it didn’t do much I’m glad I got my money back, lol

I’m considering a pure epiandosterone cycle but 🤷🏻‍♂️. Guessing that would shut me down and such . And still on the fence about crossing to the dark side

Wondering if it may help my hypogonadal symptoms though
Call me Devil's advocate here, but if you're experiencing hypogonadal symptoms, why are you worried about shutdown? Not that epiandro is strong enough to even do that, unless taken at extreme doses.
 
Call me Devil's advocate here, but if you're experiencing hypogonadal symptoms, why are you worried about shutdown? Not that epiandro is strong enough to even do that, unless taken at extreme doses.

More so worried about when I come off the compound , not when I’m on it. Making symptoms worse and possibility of some sort of spike in estrogen(when off). Since I’m already hypo, I ask my self if it “will it be worse when coming off compared to those with normal levels?”, basically. Maybe it could help free up some SHGB though and I may feel all around better.

Really looking for some sort of a long term option too
 
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- 300 Mg. Epiandrosterone per capsule!
- 300 Mg. VASO6 per serving!
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on sale for 2 for $78
 
Thank you, brother ! Great write up! I think I may give it a shot.

It’s true that most people run it with another pro and it’s more of a base. I think I’ll be fine if I run a moderate dose. How much would you recommend?

I know hair loss could be a possibility but I need something to alleviate these symptoms. And the dht effects may lower shgb too.

Any brand of epiandro you’d recommend?
I’m one of those unlucky fuggers what had early onset MPB starting to show in my early 20’s. As a result, I have buzzed my head for many years which obviously made Epiandro products a non-issue for me in terms of it exacerbating the issue.

Maybe some people with hair can chime in here, but I seem to remember people having more significant issues in regard to their hair when using the more potent prohormones such as Epistane, DMZ etc. Anyway, to be on the safe side, you could incorporate some Nizoral (ketoconazole) shampoo into your regimen. There are also more fancy shampoos out their with additional ingredients that may also be helpful but they can get rather pricey.

Personally, I prefer Epiandro/Androsterone products that utilize delivery enhancement technologies such as Cyclodextrin or TetraSorb. If I were in the market for one now, I would get Alpha Gainz Stano- which utilizes Cyclodextrin technology. They also offer a transdermal which would also be nice to incorporate because the half-life of oral Epiandro is very short.
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Another company with a great deal on a transdermal currently is Apex Alchemy..

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Speaking from experience, Epiandro and Androsterone products hit you the hardest (best) during your first run. Subsequent runs require higher dosing to achieve the same effects. Like most prohormones, we become desensitized when we repeat the same cycle/compound. The first run is so sweet!

IMO, a beginner will achieve significant effects/feels with 300-400mg per day in spit doses, while an advanced user like myself can/has to go into the 1 gram or more per day to achieve the desired effects.
 
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I’m one of those unlucky fuggers what had early onset MPB starting to show in my early 20’s. As a result, I have buzzed my head for many years which obviously made Epiandro products a non-issue for me in terms of it exacerbating the issue.

Maybe some people with hair can chime in here, but I seem to remember people having more significant issues in regard to their hair when using the more potent prohormones such as Epistane, DMZ etc. Anyway, to be on the safe side, you could incorporate some Nizoral (ketoconazole) shampoo into your regimen. There are also more fancy shampoos out their with additional ingredients that may also be helpful but they can get rather pricey.

Personally, I prefer Epiandro/Androsterone products that utilize delivery enhancement technologies such as Cyclodextrin or TetraSorb. If I were in the market for one now, I would get Alpha Gainz Stano- which utilizes Cyclodextrin technology. They also offer a transdermal which would also be nice to incorporate because the half-life of oral Epiandro is very short.
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Another company with a great deal on a transdermal currently is Apex Alchemy..

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Speaking from experience, Epiandro and Androsterone products hit you the hardest (best) during your first run. Subsequent runs require higher dosing to achieve the same effects. Like most prohormones, we become desensitized when we repeat the same cycle/compound. The first run is so sweet!

IMO, a beginner will achieve significant effects/feels with 300-400mg per day in spit doses, while an advanced user like myself can/has to go into the 1 gram or more per day to achieve the desired effects.

Sorry to hear that man, but at least you made the best that situation. I am not prone, but I am definitely a shedder. My hair is super long and grows fast but if I am a shedder , I'd assume I have to be careful. I grabbed nizoral and use pura dor. I've been planning to run something for a while.

I think this will help me and I'll start with 300 a day. If I like it I assume I'll run more throughout.
 
Couldn’t wait so I picked this up from my local shop 😁. 150 per cap. This was 45
 

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Honestly, my symptoms always get crippling in the winter, so I am going to try this since doctors really will not help me. If I am hypo gonadal, screw IT. Epiandro isn't anything too hardcore either and I am sure I can still call myself 1/4 natty LMAO.

The pregnenolone aka Neuro p5 has helped too .
 
Why won't doctors help you? How low are your? I have been hypo since my mid twenties. I had to go to HRT clinics for years as no GP's or local endos wanted to treat such a young person. F**k them, seriously f**k them. Had I been hypo thyroid or diabetic they would treat me in a heart beat but I am getting side tracked. Due to various life events I had to "treat" myself for a couple years. Below is what worked best for me and kept me on the right side of the law:

Dermacrine 2 pumps/day
4-dhea Alpha Gainz 1-2ml a day alternatively 300mg PO spread throughout the day
300mg stano PO BID

If budget was really slim the alpha gainz 4-dhea would be my first choice. Stano is great but without natural test in your system you will have no source of estrogen in your system and this will not make you feel better.

Trest was available but until I used trest while on actual TRT of test cyp I never liked it much. Once I had a healthy amount of testosterone in my system Trest became that which everyone described it as.

With all that being said depending on your levels NOTHING beats true TRT with IM testosterone. The above are MUCH better than nothing but you have a medical condition, as do I, and it should be properly treated IMO. Good luck and hit me up if you have any questions.
 
Couldn’t wait so I picked this up from my local shop 😁. 150 per cap. This was 45
That’s something I would do :D

Yeah, as @BCseacow83 was saying, there is certainly room for even further enhancement here with some other products. Dermacrine for one is definitely a great suggestion, and it should have a positive impact during your Epiandro cycle and likely indefinitely in your situation. Even I love to use it when I am not running a cycle. I am above 40 (40.53 years old) so I am allowed to anyway (y)
 
Haha when u get that urge to run a cycle .. nothing can stop you lol

Best of luck on the run .. I’ve found 600mg to be the sweet spot .. no special delivery needed lol
 
Why won't doctors help you? How low are your? I have been hypo since my mid twenties. I had to go to HRT clinics for years as no GP's or local endos wanted to treat such a young person. F**k them, seriously f**k them. Had I been hypo thyroid or diabetic they would treat me in a heart beat but I am getting side tracked. Due to various life events I had to "treat" myself for a couple years. Below is what worked best for me and kept me on the right side of the law:

Dermacrine 2 pumps/day
4-dhea Alpha Gainz 1-2ml a day alternatively 300mg PO spread throughout the day
300mg stano PO BID

If budget was really slim the alpha gainz 4-dhea would be my first choice. Stano is great but without natural test in your system you will have no source of estrogen in your system and this will not make you feel better.

Trest was available but until I used trest while on actual TRT of test cyp I never liked it much. Once I had a healthy amount of testosterone in my system Trest became that which everyone described it as.

With all that being said depending on your levels NOTHING beats true TRT with IM testosterone. The above are MUCH better than nothing but you have a medical condition, as do I, and it should be properly treated IMO. Good luck and hit me up if you have any questions.

I’m going to pm you brother. Glad to hear of someone else going through the same thing.

Basically , the last time I was tested was in the 70s at 21 . When I got it test at 19 (This was by a female endocrinologist. I don't like doctors either but never rely on a female physician) it was 118ng per dl. She basically said, "Okay, so after you had every blood test and MRI to the point of being bankcrupt, we are going to wait 6 months after a diet change to get more $ , I mean test out of you. If you're still low , we will give you cream." The other doctors are within a small town and my Dad so happens to work in the same department. The other two wouldn't help me what so ever. This was with a 71ng per dl testosterone at 21. **** DOCTORS , I AGREE WITH YOU FELLA.

My lh and fsh is non existent basically

I went through it in my teens. Wasn’t developing normally other than height which explains it. Testosterone does play a role in estrogen so if you don’t have it you’re growth plates won’t close early which is one good thing. Lol

I have had severe symptoms(Fatigue, brain fog, anxiety, bad nutrient partitioning, hard to gain muscle, puffy nipple flare ups,etc) and libido problems my whole life. Now, I am just at my last straw as the stress and conflict I am going through right now WHILE dealing with this is ruining me, literally ruining me. These last four years. I am surprised I have built somewhat of a physique, kinda.

I believe I was purposely messed up in my childhood. Won't go into details here, but I am pretty sure my hormones were destroyed purposely , or through another way of sabotaging me.

Apologies for the tangent , but man, I feel like negativity never ends for me.

Sorry to hear you went through this too, but good to know im not alone

That's a good protocol and I will pick up dermacrine when I am able to. @thebigt gave me a discount for it and I've heard good things.

I'll keep epiandro at 300
 
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Best of luck on the run .. I’ve found 600mg to be the sweet spot .. no special delivery needed lol

No sir 😁 . I will start at 300-450 and asses from there. Would like to try the CEL version next because of the nice dose of vaso 6 too

How have you been btw?
 
@BCseacow83 i May do a low dose of nolvadex when coming off just to be safe and to boost some free test even more after . I may go with a trusted RC company which isn’t recommended but since epiandro isn’t really suppressive it seems, If it was underdosed I wouldn’t need to worry as much. With m-test and or, invictus of course

I’m assuming i can run dermacrine through Pct as well
 
In all honesty I see no reason to run a PCT as you have nothing to regain when it comes to endo test levels. Now using a clomid/nolva protocol to attempt to awaken your system is not the worst idea and a low dose long term approach would be ideal if going this route. Personally I would avoid the SERMS/AI if only using epiandro/dermacrine as there really will be little E issues with dermacrine(which has mild AI's to begin with) and zero E with epiandro as well as the mild anti-estrogen effects of the DHT conversion.

4-dhea is two steps removed from test and 4-diol is the intermediary. 4-diol is believed by many to be an androgen receptor agonist in and of itself(my anecdotal results do support this) so even though you may not get a ton of test conversion you are increasing your overall androgen levels with something close in feeling to test(4-diol.) One gentlemen on VL forum did 2ml/day of Alpha Gainz 4dhea and had test levels in the 700 range I believe, which would be a world of difference for you.
 
In all honesty I see no reason to run a PCT as you have nothing to regain when it comes to endo test levels. Now using a clomid/nolva protocol to attempt to awaken your system is not the worst idea and a low dose long term approach would be ideal if going this route. Personally I would avoid the SERMS/AI if only using epiandro/dermacrine as there really will be little E issues with dermacrine(which has mild AI's to begin with) and zero E with epiandro as well as the mild anti-estrogen effects of the DHT conversion.

4-dhea is two steps removed from test and 4-diol is the intermediary. 4-diol is believed by many to be an androgen receptor agonist in and of itself(my anecdotal results do support this) so even though you may not get a ton of test conversion you are increasing your overall androgen levels with something close in feeling to test(4-diol.) One gentlemen on VL forum did 2ml/day of Alpha Gainz 4dhea and had test levels in the 700 range I believe, which would be a world of difference for you.

thanks bro, I'll just forget about the serm than. They do seem to have some weird sides in many and can be toxic.

I'll plan on getting dermacrine/Alpha Gainz 4 DHEA . Sounds like that is what I truly need.

What's the estrogen like on 4/dhea?
 
I have pubertal gyno and it was not any worse than normal when running 4dhea. Worst case scenario Inhibit-E or low dose invictus but you should be fine.
 
I have pubertal gyno and it was not any worse than normal when running 4dhea. Worst case scenario Inhibit-E or low dose invictus but you should be fine.

Okay awesome and how long can I run these? I want to be able to run epiandro into summer especially but 8 weeks would be April . I’m guessing I could come off and resume ?

Same with 4dhea?
 
Totally up to you. Are you attempting to run an OTC HRT program or are you running a cycle? If it was me I would work on a sustainable long-term program. I would start with the 4-dhea at 1ml/day and 2 pumps dermacrine/day. That would form the foundation for me. You may need to up the amounts you may not. Once I found the amount that allowed me to feel well and function as if I was producing the correct amount of hormones on my own, ie the goal of HRT, only then would I start to add to the foundation with cycles.

TLDR: I would run dermacrine and 4dhea and add the epiandro 8-12 weeks out from when I want to look my best/leanest/hardest.
 
Totally up to you. Are you attempting to run an OTC HRT program or are you running a cycle? If it was me I would work on a sustainable long-term program. I would start with the 4-dhea at 1ml/day and 2 pumps dermacrine/day. That would form the foundation for me. You may need to up the amounts you may not. Once I found the amount that allowed me to feel well and function as if I was producing the correct amount of hormones on my own, ie the goal of HRT, only then would I start to add to the foundation with cycles.

TLDR: I would run dermacrine and 4dhea and add the epiandro 8-12 weeks out from when I want to look my best/leanest/hardest.

I mean, I definitely need to do something in terms of HRT, but I still want to compete and such. However, you are right and I dont think Epiandro is a sustainable compound as it's very dry. I'll hold off on the epiandro until I have dermacrine and 4dhea

Can you run epiandro for 8-12 weeks?

This gives me some time to properly log my Apex Alchemy Epichaos log
 
8-12 is fine. I do about 8 as I feel most things sort of peter out at that point and I am only willing to up the dose so much to offset myostatin increases.
 
Glad you were able to get some additional solid recommendations from someone who can relate to your situation. These products should make a huge difference in how you feel!

I feel like splashing some 4-DHEA in my Dermacrine now!
 
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