Tianeptine Sodium question
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Renew1
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If you think you have any addictive potential I wouldn't touch it.
Honestly, if someone's not had any problems with addiction in the past, I'd still recommend against it.
JKVol
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Agree with this.
JKVol
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Agree with this.
Smont
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On one of pj brauns podcast episodes he talks about how this stuff ruined a few of his employees lives.
JKVol
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I’ve taken this and Kratom. Tia was much harder to separate myself from than Kratom. The 1 hour or so of enjoyment isn’t worth it. I take Kratom as a PWO and before I play golf. If I go 2 or 3 days without it, I don’t feel the need for it. Also it last 4-6 hours for me.
madmuscle24
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I've used this on and off for years with no issues what so ever. Works great with flmodafinil , RIP vicaine. Just keep it at 4 doses per week max like vicaine was recommended and you'll be fine. Of course if your a recovering addict or have addiction issues probably not the wisest move. It's a favorite of mine personally. Just my 2 cents
Ricky10
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I don’t know about the neuro-protective and GI benefits, but I don’t think this would be a first line supplement for either purpose 
I have had my fair share of experiences with Tianeptine, and it’s largely very positive. Vicaine was certainly much more than Tianeptine- and the formula in its entirety was designed to reduce the potentially addictive nature of Tianeptine. Vicaine was amazing, and I went through many bottles. The only negative was a reduced libido after a few months or so. I never experienced any withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. IMO, that product blew away Kratom- by a long shot. More positives and MUCH less negatives.
I also tried pure Tianeptine Sulfate 25mg x 3 doses per day, and really didn’t experience anything that special. Just potentially a bit more relaxed- and even tired if I took 50mg at once. It basically just feels like a dose of a mediocre racetam. Tianeptine Sodium as a solo ingredient was also relatively mediocre, but it did have some nice results on a few occasions combined with the right stim product.
I actually just ordered some capsules a few days ago that contain sodium, sulfate, and free acid. I wanted to experiment with this product in hopes that it will yield some nice results on occasion. I would rather revert to taking Tianeptine in any form than be stuck in a Kratom war.
I have had my fair share of experiences with Tianeptine, and it’s largely very positive. Vicaine was certainly much more than Tianeptine- and the formula in its entirety was designed to reduce the potentially addictive nature of Tianeptine. Vicaine was amazing, and I went through many bottles. The only negative was a reduced libido after a few months or so. I never experienced any withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. IMO, that product blew away Kratom- by a long shot. More positives and MUCH less negatives.
I also tried pure Tianeptine Sulfate 25mg x 3 doses per day, and really didn’t experience anything that special. Just potentially a bit more relaxed- and even tired if I took 50mg at once. It basically just feels like a dose of a mediocre racetam. Tianeptine Sodium as a solo ingredient was also relatively mediocre, but it did have some nice results on a few occasions combined with the right stim product.
I actually just ordered some capsules a few days ago that contain sodium, sulfate, and free acid. I wanted to experiment with this product in hopes that it will yield some nice results on occasion. I would rather revert to taking Tianeptine in any form than be stuck in a Kratom war.
JKVol
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I don’t know about the neuro-protective and GI benefits, but I don’t think this would be a first line supplement for either purpose
I have had my fair share of experiences with Tianeptine, and it’s largely very positive. Vicaine was certainly much more than Tianeptine- and the formula in its entirety was designed to reduce the potentially addictive nature of Tianeptine. Vicaine was amazing, and I went through many bottles. The only negative was a reduced libido after a few months or so. I never experienced any withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. IMO, that product blew away Kratom- by a long shot. More positives and MUCH less negatives.
I also tried pure Tianeptine Sulfate 25mg x 3 doses per day, and really didn’t experience anything that special. Just potentially a bit more relaxed- and even tired if I took 50mg at once. It basically just feels like a dose of a mediocre racetam. Tianeptine Sodium as a solo ingredient was also relatively mediocre, but it did have some nice results on a few occasions combined with the right stim product.
I actually just ordered some capsules a few days ago that contain sodium, sulfate, and free acid. I wanted to experiment with this product in hopes that it will yield some nice results on occasion. I would rather revert to taking Tianeptine in any form than be stuck in a Kratom war.
Crazy how people respond differently to the same stuff. Vicaine was amazing and I tried Tia sodium solo from MA and the effects wasn’t close to Vicaine. Like I said for me, I had withdrawals from Vicaine. Nothing terrible, just brain fog and headaches that lasted about a week. I get very similar results from Kratom like Vicaine game me. Except Kratom lasts about double the time and it doesn’t make me crash or make me irritable.
Godstrength
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Tianeptine is a full mu-opiod receptor agonist while kratom is only a partial. As far as abuse potential goes tianeptine is more dangerous for that reason.
Tia is like the snake that turns around to bite you and it bites pretty hard. If used on a regular basis physical addiction is real. And with tianeptine initially it gives razor sharp focus and clear thinking... But turns on you quickly and will destroy memory (when abused taking high doses over prolonged periods). If you think I'm playing look it up experiences on reddit.
After a 9 month run I needed 6 months and a lot of lions mane to get my mind decent. Its still never fully to recovered to what it was before Tia. Brain regeneration is a slow process.
JKVol
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If you’re ever looking for something to help with brain fog, this stuff is really good for 25$.
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kisaj
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Kratom is the best PWO ever.
kisaj
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Yep, tianeptine really messed with me. Especially sodium. Sulfate seems to be not so "strong" and longer lasting, but both have a nasty side I cannot tolerate and that it makes me so irritable that I can barely stand myself. The stupidest things make me want to punch a hole in the wall and I cannot control it even though I know it's happening. So needless to say, I don't mess with it. Plus it made me mentally slow and that was another frustration.
Godstrength
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3 grams in one dose? Lawd I was up to a gram at once and about 3-4 g a day. Eventually it stops working. There was a good few months I really enjoyed it. But that shyt was a nightmare crawling out of that hole.
Ive come off all the hard opiates and this drug def isn't harmless. The mind fck is so bad bc it's also a tricyclic anti depressant so the withdrawals are multi layered along with the opiate wds you have to deal w the damage to the brain.
JKVol
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Now I wasn’t this bad but it definitely was the worst thing I’ve ever been through. I’ve never done anything worse than weed.
JKVol
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Absolutely agree. Everyone thinks they can take it a couple times a week and be good with it. Tia isn’t Kratom. I can do Kratom 4-5 times a week and not crave it. If you’re gonna do Tia just get hydros.
JKVol
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I would highly recommend not doing it.
bigbeaph
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I was able to use it like this for about 3 months. Then I introduced it to a buddy and we used it for maybe 3 consecutive days to help power through a tough job. That's all it took - off to the races from there. It ruined a lot of sht in my life and my buddy dam near lost his fiancee over it. It messes with your head...thoughts and feelings. I just think that eventually it will pull you in. It's not as demonic as hard opiates but it will control you just as fast. I hate even talking about it bc I feel like such a fkn idiot for those few months and the crazy amount of $$ I spent on it. Quitting was awful but I talked to a couple guys on here that had a tougher time than even I did.
I dont go around thinking everyone is as weak as I was in this situation...but the way it screws with your brain I have to say it's a terrible idea. Be happy with the effects of kava tea or something along those lines. Theres several pretty awesome things you can use MUCH safer than taking this for a "test run". Just isnt worth it in the least.
kisaj
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Couldn't agree more. We are a forum of people that are always looking for the edge, whether it is physical or mental and WE are saying you shouldn't start taking it. That should tell you something.
Ricky10
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So I did end up receiving my “Ultimate Tianeptine Tablets” yesterday that are 50mg Sodium, 25mg Sulfate, and 25mg free acid. I split the tablet in half to feel it out - I got a mild increase in mood for maybe an hour, and then returned to baseline. I took the other half a few hours later and kind of remained the same, or just a bit more spacey...but not in a fun way. Incidentally, I did take it with some stims, a choline source, Flmodafinil, and Sunifram, as I was more or less after obtaining that Vicaine feel. It was definitely a failure and I don’t plan to use the tabs again. For me, the positive attributes of Tianeptine remain exclusive to Vicaine only.
Though I will always remain a Vicaine fan, I have finally come to the conclusion that I am not a Tianeptine fan. I thought it would be another tool to utilize as I wean myself off of Kratom, but I have now abandoned that plan. This latest experience has made me a bit less enthusiastic about Tianeptine, and I agree with the majority here and wouldn’t recommend Tianeptine supplementation to anyone..
Though I will always remain a Vicaine fan, I have finally come to the conclusion that I am not a Tianeptine fan. I thought it would be another tool to utilize as I wean myself off of Kratom, but I have now abandoned that plan. This latest experience has made me a bit less enthusiastic about Tianeptine, and I agree with the majority here and wouldn’t recommend Tianeptine supplementation to anyone..
bigbeaph
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MA is a genius...really. that vicaine was formulated perfectly
kisaj
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Wean from kratom? What dose are using and have you been tapering? I take breaks and have minimal issue, so just curious.
Ricky10
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I know! He certainly put a great deal of thought behind the ingredients and how they were dosed to produce such a favorable outcome. He certainly didn’t just throw a few random ingredients together and hope for the best...haha!
I suspect his new focus supplement will introduce us to another unique experience due to his meticulously thought out approach to his products.
Ricky10
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I have been on a mix of Green Maeng Da, White Borneo, and Yellow Borneo daily since July 1st or so...without breaks. Most of it was at 3 gram -sometimes 4 gram doses about 3 times daily. I am now down to about 1/2 that depending on the day. I basically feel like shyt without it, and also feel like shyt if I am not back in the higher dose range that I was at. Even then, the impact is quite small and mostly just allows me to function normally. I have been using Agmatine and Black Cumin Oil to help the taper- but they really don’t seem to potentiate my lower doses, or alleviate withdrawal symptoms.
I never had a problem either doing a run of up to 6 weeks or so with a few days off per week. I had some lethargy for a day or 2 after but that was it. I think the relatively short durations with random days off were key. This time, it’s definitely been a different story and I don’t feel like myself. Once I get off, I will be staying off for a long time and then be sure to only use sporadically- if at all..
Smont
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You read my mind. The thread should be, I'm going to use this stuff no matter what so please only share positive experiences
THOR 70
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JKVol
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I’ve learned a lot from others responses. Unfortunately not yours. Way to contribute
Is he wrong? I mean.... even after hearing the worst of the worst reviews on this it didn’t change your mind.
THOR 70
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Yes he is. How do you know my outlook hasn’t changed?
JKVol
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Look it’s your business. Good luck.
Smont
Legend
I've contributed by telling you if ppl ruining their lives with this stuff. It's not my fault your looking for someone to say go for it. Go for it, log it if you like. I could care less. But if I asked about a substance and the amount of ppl that told you how bad it was responded to me, common sense would tell me to look elsewhere.I’ve learned a lot from others responses. Unfortunately not yours. Way to contribute
bigbeaph
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Alright, dont know why I felt the need to weigh in on this but....
I didnt read Thor's responses and think he had made up his mind no matter what. Call me naive if you will but...I think you guys are being a little hard on the man.
I dont know how anyone could read this thread and go on with the tia "experiment "....maybe that's why I feel this way. Not trying to argue with anyone here either....just my 2 cents
I didnt read Thor's responses and think he had made up his mind no matter what. Call me naive if you will but...I think you guys are being a little hard on the man.
I dont know how anyone could read this thread and go on with the tia "experiment "....maybe that's why I feel this way. Not trying to argue with anyone here either....just my 2 cents
madmuscle24
Member
Mix in some flmodinafil and caffeine with it. Be responsible . Don't abuse it. You'll be fine. Did this yesterday with a non stim product and had a great workout.
kisaj
Legend
To each their own- tianeptine certainly isn't the worst thing you can try or use. As long as you know there may be consequences, then go into it safely. I know there are things that I have read people telling horror stories about and I tried them and had no problems, so there is no guarantee everyone will have issue.
However, this is one of the substances that it is rare to ever see any experience end positively. Even those that love it talk about how hard it is to stop.
However, this is one of the substances that it is rare to ever see any experience end positively. Even those that love it talk about how hard it is to stop.