Unanswered Clen, ECA, YECA, Cardarine.

jtbull

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I have done the ECA stack way back in the day when the E was much easier to get. I have started to do it again and the E is in the form of Bronkaid. I rarely do 3 per day like i used to its often 2 a day, but have noticed some weight come off. Seems the Y really supercharges it. I did not take the one that most do that is 5mg per cap. I think its y hydrocloride. Anway I take a GNC one that has like 400mg per cap. I usually only do 1 Yeca a day and am nearing the end of the typical 12 week cycle of them i do that will end this month.

I know there are receptor shutdown issues so you dont run clen right after a cycle of this. I am wondering would i need a lag and how long before i start running sarm cardarine?

I have not ran clen yet but have some. I was just curious of how much stronger it is than ECA and also would i be subbing the clen for the E and running it with the CA or as a standalone?

Thanks.

I am currently on trt at 200g a week of test and am on a blast now with 300mg sustanon a week in two doses. I am probalby going to up that in a couple weeks to 500mg and will be on cycle until the end of september.

Can i also get away with running cardarine longer than clen or the eca?
 
Cardarine isn’t really good for increased Thermogenesis. This has been my finding and Mike Arnold has talked about that in podcasts. Cardarine/GW shines as an agent to improve endurance/wind (like for athletic competition or while on tren or in poor cardiovascular shape from heavy orals) and improves lipids noticeably. 8-10 weeks of 10mg daily is pretty safe (the human equivalent dose for what caused cancer in rats was many months of ~45mg I believe).

Clen is much stronger than ECA, but it doesn’t curb appetite at all - it literally just selectively burns fat. Great effect but bad for the heart. 2-6weeks is all I would recommend, starting with 40mcg and working up, ideally splitting total daily dose into 2 doses (so 60mcg would look like a morning dose of 40mcg followed by 20mcg some hours later and not close to bedtime). I’m not a doctor, but it’s common knowledge Clen is bad for you and if it was me the less I can use the better. I have never exceeded 80mcg. 140mcg is a common safe cutoff. Some people start with 200mcg. Those people are not concerned with their health.

I would run my ECA, then take a couple weeks and then start Clen. Either building in dosage slowly over 4-6 weeks or doing 2 weeks on/2 off for a period. Cardarine could be used for any 8-10wk block in here but makes the most sense during or after anabolics that harm lipids (say if you were using some winny or Masteron at the end of your cutting cycle).
 
i would go old school with that sh!7 and run clen 2 days on 2 days off with eca on the off days. yohimbine throughout.
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xR1pp3Rx said:
i would go old school with that sh!7 and run clen 2 days on 2 days off with eca on the off days. yohimbine throughout.
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So doing that, clen and YECA during the off period would be ok without shutting receptors down? I have heard of two weeks on and two weeks off. Could that be done with the 2 weeks on clen then two weeks of eca with no clen.....Also i take it there is no reason to use aprin and caffeine while running the clen?

I forget the guys name, but he is an IFBB pro and does training and has lots of youtube videos. He mentioned something about running clen 6-8 weeks straight but i have never heard anyone else mention it that way.
 
2 weeks strait then switch 2 days off. 2 days on. your receptors wont be any better on 2 wwk spread... dont go 6 thats stupid. eca stack is different thats why you run it between so you still get the fat burning while off clen. the y hits a receptor differently. itd thr antagonist and the others are agonists
 
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Anyone remember the soda surge from back in the day? A friend who was in contest prep was doing clen, ephedrine and caffeine pre workout. Bro was zooted. It was like he shotgunned 3 surge's before he walked in the gym.

Yes it was affective but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Stay woke Broski's.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
2 weeks strait then switch 2 days off. 2 days on. your receptors wont be any better on 2 wwk spread... dont go 6 thats stupid. eca stack is different thats why you run it between so you still get the fat burning while off clen. the y hits a receptor differently. itd thr antagonist and the others are agonists
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6 weeks is pretty common in a prep if run straight thru.
 
Hyde said:
6 weeks is pretty common in a prep if run straight thru.
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i cant understand this or get behind it.. the receptors down regulate at a rate rarely seen in bbing supps with clen.. there is a reason that after two weeks one should switch dosing schedual. the dosing curve is pretty steep with clen, and personally i would never go much above 120mcgs, yet you see people running 200, which they probably need to just feel anything after the 3rd week. with its know effects on the heart, i like to keep it around 100 and take breaks after 6 weeks
 
So its two weeks total then i take two days off then two days on then two days off or did you mean two weeks on then two weeks off or is it just two weeks on then two days off? Dont mean to seem like a moron.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i cant understand this or get behind it.. the receptors down regulate at a rate rarely seen in bbing supps with clen.. there is a reason that after two weeks one should switch dosing schedual. the dosing curve is pretty steep with clen, and personally i would never go much above 120mcgs, yet you see people running 200, which they probably need to just feel anything after the 3rd week. with its know effects on the heart, i like to keep it around 100 and take breaks after 6 weeks
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I have read this same as you say it, but I have personally seen it with myself and my wife that it indeed keeps working at a low set dose. You do not have to feel the stimulation for it to be working, same as caffeine or other stimulants.

I definitely agree with your dosage limits. Anyway, just wanted to put another perspective out for consideration.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i cant understand this or get behind it.. the receptors down regulate at a rate rarely seen in bbing supps with clen.. there is a reason that after two weeks one should switch dosing schedual. the dosing curve is pretty steep with clen, and personally i would never go much above 120mcgs, yet you see people running 200, which they probably need to just feel anything after the 3rd week. with its know effects on the heart, i like to keep it around 100 and take breaks after 6 weeks
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I have read this same as you say it, but I have personally seen it with myself and my wife that it indeed keeps working at a low set dose. You do not have to feel the stimulation for it to be working, same as caffeine or other stimulants.

I definitely agree with your dosage limits. Anyway, just wanted to put another perspective out for consideration.
 
Hyde said:
I have read this same as you say it, but I have personally seen it with myself and my wife that it indeed keeps working at a low set dose. You do not have to feel the stimulation for it to be working, same as caffeine or other stimulants.

I definitely agree with your dosage limits. Anyway, just wanted to put another perspective out for consideration.
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out of curiosity .... have you ran both protocols to compare ? i habe found the 2 on 2 off to be far more effective than strait dosing for me.
 
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