Unanswered CEL Super Swole - Massively Dosed Nitric Oxide Enhancer

ItalOne said:
I’ve had enough of you supplement whores blood clot crying! Let the the product speak for itself! I tried to be civil, but y’all are still crying about what I said a now you just keep repeating yourselves. So now I’m fired up and you will definitely be getting a honest review.
Now for the time being all your shills and reps stfu please!! 😊
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That's kinda always been our stance - letting our products speak for themselves. You're the one that chose to come into a company introduction thread comparing products to other products that aren't even in the same category. It's always been our company stance to not put down other companies and to not compare our products directly to other companies out of respect.

I was nice enough to address your points - your statement about Agmatine & you seemingly having an issue with one of our product names even though the name you stated wasn't one of our products.

We are all about honest reviews. However, I think that anyone that reads your posts or tone thus far in this thread can tell that you wouldn't exactly be honest or objective about anything.
 
Nice kill, mods, fuk this guy. I take the shill comment personally: I was head San rep until a few months ago, for 8+ years, couldn't be farther from the truth.

Any review he would have posted would have been worthless.
 
sns8778 said:
That's kinda always been our stance - letting our products speak for themselves. You're the one that chose to come into a company introduction thread comparing products to other products that aren't even in the same category. It's always been our company stance to not put down other companies and to not compare our products directly to other companies out of respect.

I was nice enough to address your points - your statement about Agmatine & you seemingly having an issue with one of our product names even though the name you stated wasn't one of our products.

We are all about honest reviews. However, I think that anyone that reads your posts or tone thus far in this thread can tell that you wouldn't exactly be honest or objective about anything.
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He ignored all the points I made also. Oh well. We know by the ingredients in this product it’s going to be a winner. Looking forward to seeing the feedback roll in
 
sns8778 said:
That's kinda always been our stance - letting our products speak for themselves. You're the one that chose to come into a company introduction thread comparing products to other products that aren't even in the same category. It's always been our company stance to not put down other companies and to not compare our products directly to other companies out of respect.

I was nice enough to address your points - your statement about Agmatine & you seemingly having an issue with one of our product names even though the name you stated wasn't one of our products.

We are all about honest reviews. However, I think that anyone that reads your posts or tone thus far in this thread can tell that you wouldn't exactly be honest or objective about anything.
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He ignored all the points I made also. Oh well. We know by the ingredients in this product it’s going to be a winner. Looking forward to seeing the feedback roll in
 
Solo agmatine powder is a staple in my pantry and stacks with just about anything. Don’t see the controversy here. Easy enough to add if it’s your thing
 
N2ofusion said:
Solo agmatine powder is a staple in my pantry and stacks with just about anything. Don’t see the controversy here. Easy enough to add if it’s your thing
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It's cool, but doesn't do much for pumps, though it's fine in an ancillary role.
 
I'm looking forward to stacking all these new releases together lol. All the combos are going to be so good
 
I think, a lot of the time, being innovative and new to the supplement market is like shooting yourself in the foot. You could have all these new ideas, but if you don't include the old stuff everyone has been trained to expect, they won't buy it.

Agmatine is a great pump product, but including a large dose of citrulline pretty much eliminates the need for agmatine from a pump-only perspective. Adding it increases cost and has a minimal impact on pump and now people are going to have issues it isn't in there.

Chicken doesn't taste like a hamburger either - but I don't avoid using chicken because it isn't beef.

Agmatine is a great product and I think it is a great stand alone pump product and an even better daily staple for other health benefits, but from a pump specific perspective, it seems citrulline has an edge and the agmatine would be redundant.

Add in all the other ingredients here and the agmatine probably will not be missed.

The other thing is, some people do not get great pumps from agmatine/citrulline - so putting all the eggs in that one basket is going to leave a group of people disappointed too.

If you want agmatine, buy it in bulk and add it in, or buy another product. This product has a very interesting and newer profile, I doubt the agmatine is needed.
 
In regards to Agmatine, it is personally one of my favorite ingredients and is something I use daily for its overall health benefits in addition to its performance enhancing benefits. That's why Agmatine XT is one of my favorite products that SNS makes and its available in a very cost effective capsule and powder form.

SNS also utilizes Agmatine in both our GlycoPhase and VasoForce XT products. For people that want Agmatine in their pump product or want the convenience of a super strength capsulated pump product, check out VasoForce XT.

Back to Super Swole - while pump products like Super Swole can be taken daily, many people don't use them daily and I truly feel like Agmatine is better used as a daily use supplement. Also, because of the high doses and large number of ingredients in Super Swole, the Agmatine would be overpowered and wouldn't be felt anyway most likely so it would only serve to increase the cost of the product. It would also make the product hard to offer to many of our valued customers in international markets. Lastly, it seems like now days no matter how much people like a product, they like to change up and experiment with different things; so by providing VasoForce XT under SNS and Super Swole under CEL with different ingredient panels, it gives people different options to try and see which ones works best for them individually :)
 
Apparently Viagra is a lousy pump product too, because it doesn't contain agmatine.
 
Lol have a swole person explode on the label lol
 
sns8778 said:
In regards to Agmatine, it is personally one of my favorite ingredients and is something I use daily for its overall health benefits in addition to its performance enhancing benefits. That's why Agmatine XT is one of my favorite products that SNS makes and its available in a very cost effective capsule and powder form.
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Agmatine is great...I take it every morning...our bulk agmatine is 16 cents/day...if you really it, buy a tub and add it to this, but no reason to increase the production cost of this product, and change the texture/mixing profile of it when we already have it in another labels pump product, and already have it available on its own inbulk.
 
When I was looking into Pine Bark Extract myself a few weeks ago, I thought it was interesting that the TMd version, Pycnogenol, which is excessively more expensive, was only 85% "actives" at best (Ive seen one study claim 68%). I ended up going with Swanson and NOW, who used 90 and 95% extracts because, well, faaaar cheaper and more active.

Was CELs thinking here along similiar lines? I guess Im curious because youve used TM extracts for some of the other compounds.
 
De__eB said:
Agmatine is great...I take it every morning...our bulk agmatine is 16 cents/day...if you really it, buy a tub and add it to this, but no reason to increase the production cost of this product, and change the texture/mixing profile of it when we already have it in another labels pump product, and already have it available on its own inbulk.
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Well said and def was the thinking behind when generated & taste tested this product .
 
Nac said:
When I was looking into Pine Bark Extract myself a few weeks ago, I thought it was interesting that the TMd version, Pycnogenol, which is excessively more expensive, was only 85% "actives" at best (Ive seen one study claim 68%). I ended up going with Swanson and NOW, who used 90 and 95% extracts because, well, faaaar cheaper and more active.

Was CELs thinking here along similiar lines? I guess Im curious because youve used TM extracts for some of the other compounds.
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Some of the use cases for branded ingredients fall down to:
  • They demonstrate increased effectiveness over generic ingredients for the use case of the product
    • There isn't sufficient reason to believe that Pycnogenol would provide an effectiveness advantage in this product
  • They have IP coverage of a use case we want to advertise
    • Horphag Research's patent portfolio doesn't cover this use of pine bark extract standardized for proanthrocyanidins
  • The supply chain for the ingredient is too unreliable to go with anybody else without getting inconsistent material quality
    • Pine Bark extract has been around for a long time, there are multiple producers putting out consistent material
At the end of the day, it doesn't make sense to go with the branded ingredient in this context.

But SNS has always strongly supported branded ingredient manufacturers and their intellectual property and feature them heavily in products when appropriate.
 
Nac said:
When I was looking into Pine Bark Extract myself a few weeks ago, I thought it was interesting that the TMd version, Pycnogenol, which is excessively more expensive, was only 85% "actives" at best (Ive seen one study claim 68%). I ended up going with Swanson and NOW, who used 90 and 95% extracts because, well, faaaar cheaper and more active.

Was CELs thinking here along similiar lines? I guess Im curious because youve used TM extracts for some of the other compounds.
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We never put down anyone's ingredients so all I can say is I don't disagree with what you said :)
 
scoooter said:
Very nice new product introduction !

Please update which places have it or will have it

thanks
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We hope to have this shipping to retailers next week. I will keep everyone updated in this thread as to specials and when it ships.
 
Nac said:
When I was looking into Pine Bark Extract myself a few weeks ago, I thought it was interesting that the TMd version, Pycnogenol, which is excessively more expensive, was only 85% "actives" at best (Ive seen one study claim 68%). I ended up going with Swanson and NOW, who used 90 and 95% extracts because, well, faaaar cheaper and more active.

Was CELs thinking here along similiar lines? I guess Im curious because youve used TM extracts for some of the other compounds.
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This is one ingredient that may not make sense to use the branded version - especially in a comprehensive product
 
Nac said:
When I was looking into Pine Bark Extract myself a few weeks ago, I thought it was interesting that the TMd version, Pycnogenol, which is excessively more expensive, was only 85% "actives" at best (Ive seen one study claim 68%). I ended up going with Swanson and NOW, who used 90 and 95% extracts because, well, faaaar cheaper and more active.

Was CELs thinking here along similiar lines? I guess Im curious because youve used TM extracts for some of the other compounds.
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This is one ingredient that may not make sense to use the branded version - especially in a comprehensive product
 
drseuss6969 said:
Anyone know when this will be ready to purchase?
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We are hoping that it will be ready to ship to retailers next week. Fingers crossed.
 
for what it's worth I rep for a different company and have no affiliation with SNS/CEL. with that said, SNS/CEL gets a significant portion of my monthly supplement budget.....quality at a fair price

already spent this months supp money, but will be trying super swole next month.
 
madmuscle24 said:
ETA?
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Unsure .. I’ve been checking official site everyday for it lol

Super excited for this and daily ergo product .. I know boss is super busy plus holidays

@sns8878
 
madmuscle24 said:
ETA?
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I hate to give ETA's because in this industry until you have it in hand, they are almost always wrong. My best guess is next week, but I've thought that for the past couple weeks haha.
 
sns8778 said:
I hate to give ETA's because in this industry until you have it in hand, they are almost always wrong. My best guess is next week, but I've thought that for the past couple weeks haha.
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Every week there’s a next week haha
 
booneman77 said:
Every week there’s a next week haha
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That's why I'm always hesitant to give ETA's. People get upset if we don't but then when there are delays they get upset if we do.
 
I find ETAs helpful, but I also realize that estimates are just that - estimates - and sometimes "life happens" - usually resulting in the schedule shifting to the right ....
 
Beau said:
I find ETAs helpful, but I also realize that estimates are just that - estimates - and sometimes "life happens" - usually resulting in the schedule shifting to the right ....
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I appreciate the understanding. There are so many factors involved, from raw material shortages to bottle shortages, to runs not coming out tasting exactly like flavor samples, etc.

It is looking like Super Swole will finally be out this coming week but I'm hesitant to say for sure until its actually in hand.
 
I find ETAs helpful, but I also realize that estimates are just that - estimates - and sometimes "life happens" - usually resulting in the schedule shifting to the right ....
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I appreciate the understanding. There are so many factors involved, from raw material shortages to bottle shortages, to runs not coming out tasting exactly like flavor samples, etc.

It is looking like Super Swole will finally be out this coming week but I'm hesitant to say for sure until its actually in hand.
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And it will be a bulk powder, is that correct?
 
I find ETAs helpful, but I also realize that estimates are just that - estimates - and sometimes "life happens" - usually resulting in the schedule shifting to the right ....
sns8778 said:
I appreciate the understanding. There are so many factors involved, from raw material shortages to bottle shortages, to runs not coming out tasting exactly like flavor samples, etc.

It is looking like Super Swole will finally be out this coming week but I'm hesitant to say for sure until its actually in hand.
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I really dislike double posts - especially mine.
 
Beau said:
I find ETAs helpful, but I also realize that estimates are just that - estimates - and sometimes "life happens" - usually resulting in the schedule shifting to the right ....

And it will be a bulk powder, is that correct?
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Super Swole is a powder.
 
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