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Unanswered Balls suddenly shrank during pct?

CroLifter

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So i am 2 weeks into my pct, clomid 25 mg/day and in the beginning things started to develop nicely, testicles started dropping (first left one then finally both) and they have achieved their full size. And coincidentally, i started feeling like my old self, focus, libido and motivation all came back. Morning wood and erections also came back.

I was taking 25 mg clomid per day and 12.5mg aromasin per day. Few days ago i stopped aromasin due to some low estrogen symptoms and yesterday and today i am not feeling good, pretty much the same as when i started the pct and my testicles are up retracted as they were on cycle. And i am feeling again kinda like a zombie, as i did on start of pct.

Does anyone know what could be at play here? I am also getting headaches (and anxiety, heart palpitations and panic, the usual that happens when i crash my e2).

Would you suggest me to do a bloodwork? Test, e2 and lh. It is expensive but i am at a loss about what is happening.

And i originally planned to do it 4 weeks into pctl
 
Are you positive your PCT SERM is legitimate? A workup from your Dr would be the only factual answer. If your 2 weeks in I feel like you might as well stay the course but this is YOUR body. You have to lay down and wake up with it so dont delay. If something seems completely off then it is. Trust yourself.
 
Low E2 makes my balls retract up too.
 
ItalOne said:
Why only clomid? Why only 25mg? Are we talking RC serms? Why are you using a AI during pct?
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Pharm grade clomid.
Previously i had good success with 25 mg per day and that is the dose docs prescribe for secondary hypogonadism.

An ai to minimize estrogen dominance during pct.

It seemed to work well in the beginning, balls dropped in about 5 days after i started it, only now for the last 2 days testicles retracted.
I have been travelling for the past few days and my diet wasnt the best plus two nights ago i didnt sleep at all (insomnia) so that could be playing part when it coms to lethargy and feeling like a zombie.

@danielvp a BIG mistake, i didnt. Only 2 weeks of 1000 iu eod towards the end.
 
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CroLifter said:
Pharm grade clomid.
Previously i had good success with 25 mg per day and that is the dose docs prescribe for secondary hypogonadism.

An ai to minimize estrogen dominance during pct.

It seemed to work well in the beginning, balls dropped in about 5 days after i started it, only now for the last 2 days testicles retracted.
I have been travelling for the past few days and my diet wasnt the best plus two nights ago i didnt sleep at all (insomnia) so that could be playing part when it coms to lethargy and feeling like a zombie.

@danielvp a BIG mistake, i didnt. Only 2 weeks of 1000 iu eod towards the end.
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How close was hcg to pct? My initial guess was that you did not start recovering your HPTA in week 1 of pct, that was the hcg.

Also I rarely hear people mention this, but igf-1 speeds HPTA recovery in PCT. If I was you I would hop on some mk, growth, or igf-1 lr3.
 
CroLifter said:
Pharm grade clomid.
Previously i had good success with 25 mg per day and that is the dose docs prescribe for secondary hypogonadism.

An ai to minimize estrogen dominance during pct.

It seemed to work well in the beginning, balls dropped in about 5 days after i started it, only now for the last 2 days testicles retracted.
I have been travelling for the past few days and my diet wasnt the best plus two nights ago i didnt sleep at all (insomnia) so that could be playing part when it coms to lethargy and feeling like a zombie.

@danielvp a BIG mistake, i didnt. Only 2 weeks of 1000 iu eod towards the end.
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It sounds like you have an explanation for why you are feeling this way. If you really think it’s not from the lack of sleep, travel, and **** diet and hcg then get bloods and confirm. Take action from there.
 
danielvp said:
How close was hcg to pct? My initial guess was that you did not start recovering your HPTA in week 1 of pct, that was the hcg.

Also I rarely hear people mention this, but igf-1 speeds HPTA recovery in PCT. If I was you I would hop on some mk, growth, or igf-1 lr3.
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It was roughly 3.5 weeks prior to pct.

I have mk677 but i am kinda on the fence about it. Horrendous bloat stories (and all the nice things that come with bloat, blood pressure, palpitations etc) and hyperglycemia put me off tbh.
 
CroLifter said:
Interesting, people usually say high e2 does that for them.
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It takes really high E2 to do that to me. Low E2 leaves me looking like I just got out of an ice bath.
 
CroLifter said:
Pharm grade clomid.
Previously i had good success with 25 mg per day and that is the dose docs prescribe for secondary hypogonadism.

An ai to minimize estrogen dominance during pct.

It seemed to work well in the beginning, balls dropped in about 5 days after i started it, only now for the last 2 days testicles retracted.
I have been travelling for the past few days and my diet wasnt the best plus two nights ago i didnt sleep at all (insomnia) so that could be playing part when it coms to lethargy and feeling like a zombie.

@danielvp a BIG mistake, i didnt. Only 2 weeks of 1000 iu eod towards the end.
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I never heard the term “estrogen dominance”
Lol, either way running a AI is unnecessary. You already have low testosterone, hence no need to control the conversion to estrogen. Your only increasing the risk AI related side effects.

Also wanted to add that the only reason you see AI’s in over the counter PCT products is because all the natty herbal stuff barely does anything to raise your test. So smacking down E2 will obviously raise testosterone. That’s their gimmick!! If “real serms” weren’t proscription only there wouldn’t be AI”s in otc pct products.
 
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CroLifter said:
It was roughly 3.5 weeks prior to pct.

I have mk677 but i am kinda on the fence about it. Horrendous bloat stories (and all the nice things that come with bloat, blood pressure, palpitations etc) and hyperglycemia put me off tbh.
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I've used mk 10 out of the last 12 months, and feel like I've got it mostly figured out. The bloat is entirely salt and carb dependant (atleast for me), but hyperglycemia is a real issue. Using 25 mg mk per day and 2 mg cjc dac every 6 days, bumps my fasting blood sugar from 75 to 100, and I have to take berberine with meals and do fasted morning cardio to keep it around 90.

No BP or heart palpitations for me, but lethargy and absolutely outrageous hunger can be a problem at 20-40 mg.
 
CroLifter said:
So i am 2 weeks into my pct, clomid 25 mg/day and in the beginning things started to develop nicely, testicles started dropping (first left one then finally both) and they have achieved their full size. And coincidentally, i started feeling like my old self, focus, libido and motivation all came back. Morning wood and erections also came back.

I was taking 25 mg clomid per day and 12.5mg aromasin per day. Few days ago i stopped aromasin due to some low estrogen symptoms and yesterday and today i am not feeling good, pretty much the same as when i started the pct and my testicles are up retracted as they were on cycle. And i am feeling again kinda like a zombie, as i did on start of pct.

Does anyone know what could be at play here? I am also getting headaches (and anxiety, heart palpitations and panic, the usual that happens when i crash my e2).

Would you suggest me to do a bloodwork? Test, e2 and lh. It is expensive but i am at a loss about what is happening.

And i originally planned to do it 4 weeks into pctl
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As @Matthersby, and others said ... You need labs.
I could tell you what I think it is ... But the problem is, that your issue may be the exact opposite.
 
@Renew1 i am interested in your opinion.

Btw balls are hanging low again today.

considering the knee and ribcage pains, i am sure my e2 got too low.
 
CroLifter said:
I take this back. They look atrophied again.

i mean how is this possible, 2 weeks into pct and they were hanging all loose and were plump?
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I gotta be honest here.
I don’t think this is for you. Steroids are going to do things to you. Not every one of them you’ll be able to remedy with a Serm or AI or supplement.
Get labs, stop checking your balls and gauging your entire cycle and post cycles effectiveness on how they are hanging. Just stop. And get labs.
 
Matthersby said:
I gotta be honest here.
I don’t think this is for you. Steroids are going to do things to you. Not every one of them you’ll be able to remedy with a Serm or AI or supplement.
Get labs, stop checking your balls and gauging your entire cycle and post cycles effectiveness on how they are hanging. Just stop. And get labs.
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Well no wonder they are not for me that is why i came off.

Tbh i think my low ferritin is playing its part. Shortness of breath, heart palpitations, morning nausea and lethargy. I stopped supplementing iron before because my hct skyrocketed and now after some days of poor diet (no meat) it might be that i am feeling effects of low ferritin again.


And i am not really that stressed about recovery, i mean it is what it is some of us pay the price. If everything fails and doctors dont want to treat me, well, 100mg of test e per week with 500iu hcg solit into 2 doses is a good starting point. Recovery takes time.

It is the heart palpitations and shortness of breath that scare me a bit.
 
CroLifter said:
I take this back. They look atrophied again.

i mean how is this possible, 2 weeks into pct and they were hanging all loose and were plump?
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Dude are you just walking around with your balls in your hands? Relax. I think matthersby is right, this might not be for you.
 
trumac said:
Dude are you just walking around with your balls in your hands? Relax. I think matthersby is right, this might not be for you.
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Man it is not that shriveled balls scare me idgaf it is other symptoms, shortness of breath and heart palpitations that frighten me so i am trying to make a conection here, see if low test or e have to do something with it.

Problems started as 2 things coincided:
1) crashed ferritin through phlebotomies
2) used underdosed test and therefore below optimal (i.e 400ng/dl total test levels) levels


And there is no point in saying that this is not for me guys ahahahahahahha i am off

I mean, why cant i get some normal side effects, like gyno...or acne...or hairloss... 😂
And not this heart palpitations crap.
 
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CroLifter said:
Well no wonder they are not for me that is why i came off.

Tbh i think my low ferritin is playing its part. Shortness of breath, heart palpitations, morning nausea and lethargy. I stopped supplementing iron before because my hct skyrocketed and now after some days of poor diet (no meat) it might be that i am feeling effects of low ferritin again.


And i am not really that stressed about recovery, i mean it is what it is some of us pay the price. If everything fails and doctors dont want to treat me, well, 100mg of test e per week with 500iu hcg solit into 2 doses is a good starting point. Recovery takes time.

It is the heart palpitations and shortness of breath that scare me a bit.
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Brother you need to stop speculating and comparing past pct/cycles. I seriously doubt not eating meat has anything to do with it. I haven’t consumed animal flesh in almost 9 years, 8 years of cycling. This has kept HCT under control no matter how much gear I run!
 
Docs are at a loss.
I have unexplained lethargy, dizziness, arms go numb, shortness of breath and heart palpitations.

The only thing i can link that to is low iron (7 on a scale of 12-30).

But i dunno.

all i know is that my hct and hb dropped dramatically when i came off, down to 0.45 and 150 g/l. Those values are lower than pre cycle.
 
ItalOne said:
Brother you need to stop speculating and comparing past pct/cycles. I seriously doubt not eating meat has anything to do with it. I haven’t consumed animal flesh in almost 9 years, 8 years of cycling. This has kept HCT under control no matter how much gear I run!
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What are your protein sources? And how many grams per day?
 
High calcium? High sodium? High potassium? All those can mess with the nervous system. High blood pressure? Clogged arteries?
 
@danielvp i shoot for roighly 200g per day, i am 235lbs.
Mostly animal sources. Chicken, cottage cheese, milk.

@ChocolateClen i dont know about electrolyte imbalances, never had those. Blood pressure is 110-120/70.

Clogged arteries? I hope not. My lipids never really got out of range during 12 week cycle.


Short ess of breath, tiredness, palpitations, waking up with numb arms...
To me it sounds like low iron. I had bloodwork done but it was 40 days ago, iron was way below normal range.

I started supplementing liquid iron so we will see. I believe i felt better previously about a week into this particular liquid iron supplement.
 
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CroLifter said:
Well no wonder they are not for me that is why i came off.

Tbh i think my low ferritin is playing its part. Shortness of breath, heart palpitations, morning nausea and lethargy. I stopped supplementing iron before because my hct skyrocketed and now after some days of poor diet (no meat) it might be that i am feeling effects of low ferritin again.


And i am not really that stressed about recovery, i mean it is what it is some of us pay the price. If everything fails and doctors dont want to treat me, well, 100mg of test e per week with 500iu hcg solit into 2 doses is a good starting point. Recovery takes time.

It is the heart palpitations and shortness of breath that scare me a bit.
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Get the heart palpitations checked out.
Eat good healthy food including meat.
Lethargy and SOB will go away soon.
Relax and take a deep breath. You are not going to die of a blood clot or stroke on a low dose test cycle. I’ve been on 5 years and I just recently this last year started doing suuuuuuuuper small phlebotomies and even before then, my hematocrit never has been out of range. It still isn’t. Hematocrit fluctuated, not one person here should be worried unless you are +5 points above normal range. It’s all good.
 
Matthersby said:
Get the heart palpitations checked out.
Eat good healthy food including meat.
Lethargy and SOB will go away soon.
Relax and take a deep breath. You are not going to die of a blood clot or stroke on a low dose test cycle. I’ve been on 5 years and I just recently this last year started doing suuuuuuuuper small phlebotomies and even before then, my hematocrit never has been out of range. It still isn’t. Hematocrit fluctuated, not one person here should be worried unless you are +5 points above normal range. It’s all good.
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Tbh i believe my problems were mostly caused by my reckless phlebotomies, me having low test for almost 2 months and repeatedly crashing e2.

But these heart palps still do phase me somewhat, you get it? Of course i get worried.
And i had my heart checked out. Ecg's, ultrasound and 24 hour holter monitor and they couldnt find anything.

So that leads me to believe palps are caused by something else.

And the worst part is that docs are very unspecific.

they say that palps could be from low iron or that they could be from anxiety.
 
Seriously, my balls’ size is about as important to me as choosing between chocolate or vanilla whey. I think I give them a good ol check once every 3 years or so.
 
Matthersby said:
Seriously, my balls’ size is about as important to me as choosing between chocolate or vanilla whey. I think I give them a good ol check once every 3 years or so.
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I am not worried about my testicle size at all. As i said, i was trying to make a connection between it and my other issues.
 
Matthersby said:
Seriously, my balls’ size is about as important to me as choosing between chocolate or vanilla whey. I think I give them a good ol check once every 3 years or so.
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I’ll check them for you as often as you’d like.

CroLifter said:
I am not worried about my testicle size at all. As i said, i was trying to make a connection between it and my other issues.
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Obviously it was of some concern to you. That was the title of the thread and it was what you were talking about before you mentioned any of these other issues.
 
I’m just breaking your undersized balls brotha. You’re just stressing me out a little.
I’ll be honest, I take aspirin every 4 hours always thinking I’m gonna get a blood clot, then I get my labs and I have 3-4 months of no stress. Than I start getting some sides, shortness of breath, night sweats, bp a little high, heart pounding harder than usual and I have to calm myself down, get some more labs and stop stressing. More people died last week from aspirin than steroid users have in 50 years.
So I get where you’re coming from, not trying to get on your case, just having some fun to hopefully get you thinking clearly. Side effects suck, but they’re part of this game. There’s some I can’t even deal with so I have to pick and choose what I can run sometimes.
 
Matthersby said:
I’m just breaking your undersized balls brotha. You’re just stressing me out a little.
I’ll be honest, I take aspirin every 4 hours always thinking I’m gonna get a blood clot, then I get my labs and I have 3-4 months of no stress. Than I start getting some sides, shortness of breath, night sweats, bp a little high, heart pounding harder than usual and I have to calm myself down, get some more labs and stop stressing. More people died last week from aspirin than steroid users have in 50 years.
So I get where you’re coming from, not trying to get on your case, just having some fun to hopefully get you thinking clearly. Side effects suck, but they’re part of this game. There’s some I can’t even deal with so I have to pick and choose what I can run sometimes.
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The sides i am experiemcing right now cant be because of steroids.

They are because of my reckless phlebotomies. I woke up today with really bad purple spots under my eyes, it was exactly like that when i crashed my ferritin last time.

Even though i didnt let anymore blood since then, i think that because of my poor diet and me stopping iron supplementation due to high hct pushed me over the edge, especially with my diet being **** in the last few days (travelling and basically eating like a survivalist, bread tuna and peanuts lol, i spent a lot of time in the forest).

Man i dont want to be a smart ass but i also see thwt you are worried. I mean we are trying to support each other on this board,
I know you got a wife/girlfriend, down th eroad who knows, kids may come.
I would personally start cutting down on my gear use.

For example i wouod act much different if i was on cycle right now and my hct started creeping up.
First of all, i wouldnt try to force it. I was a dumbass, cranking up masteron because i liked the way it made me feel.
In retrospect, i should have finished my cycle at week 10 and none of this cruise bs. I should have gone straight to pct after esters cleared.

And i should have stuck with just 500mg of test.

But oh man...live and learn.

And while gains i got from this small experiment i did with steroids are slowly fading away into nothingness , at least i can say that what i got out of it is meeting some interesting personalities similar to myself on this board.
 
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CroLifter said:
The sides i am experiemcing right now cant be because of steroids.

They are because of my reckless phlebotomies. I woke up today with really bad purple spots under my eyes, it was exactly like that when i crashed my ferritin last time.

Even though i didnt let anymore blood since then, i think that because of my poor diet and me stopping iron supplementation due to high hct pushed me over the edge, especially with my diet being **** in the last few days (travelling and basically eating like a survivalist, bread tuna and peanuts lol, i spent a lot of time in the forest).

Man i dont want to be a smart ass but i also see thwt you are worried. I mean we are trying to support each other on this board,
I know you got a wife/girlfriend, down th eroad who knows, kids may come.
I would personally start cutting down on my gear use.

For example i wouod act much different if i was on cycle right now and my hct started creeping up.
First of all, i wouldnt try to force it. I was a dumbass, cranking up masteron because i liked the way it made me feel.
In retrospect, i should have finished my cycle at week 10 and none of this cruise bs. I should have gone straight to pct after esters cleared.

And i should have stuck with just 500mg of test.

But oh man...live and learn.

And while gains i got from this small experiment i did with steroids are slowly fading away into nothingness , at least i can say that what i got out of it is meeting some interesting personalities similar to myself on this board.
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Get yourself a CMP with some cardiac and hormone panels and you will see everything clearly. You can then make the necessary adjustments. That was my only point, we can speculate on all these sides you’re experiencing but no one here including you has a clue what they really mean.
 
Matthersby said:
Get yourself a CMP with some cardiac and hormone panels and you will see everything clearly. You can then make the necessary adjustments. That was my only point, we can speculate on all these sides you’re experiencing but no one here including you has a clue what they really mean.
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Let us just say that i am very well-known in Emergency Room personnel circles here in my home town.
About a week ago, during my last visit to the ER (yawns...old man story telling hahahah) i had all kinds of cardiac enzymes checked out.

Early repolarization was noted but none of the docs seemed concernet about it.

Istead, they recommended me to take helex (i guess it is some kind of anxyolitic).
 
Matthersby said:
Seriously, my balls’ size is about as important to me as choosing between chocolate or vanilla whey. I think I give them a good ol check once every 3 years or so.
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You go with chocolate though right?... Wait though, vanillas way more versatile ... Damn, I need to start a thread on this.
 
CroLifter said:
Let us just say that i am very well-known in Emergency Room personnel circles here in my home town.
About a week ago, during my last visit to the ER (yawns...old man story telling hahahah) i had all kinds of cardiac enzymes checked out.

Early repolarization was noted but none of the docs seemed concernet about it.

Istead, they recommended me to take helex (i guess it is some kind of anxyolitic).
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Is that your way of saying your the village hypercondriac ? I found out this past week I have the testosterone levels of a 10 year old girl, sometimes you just need to take a deep breath and relax... I also find playing with my Barbies helps too.
 
Wobmarvel said:
Is that your way of saying your the village hypercondriac ? I found out this past week I have the testosterone levels of a 10 year old girl, sometimes you just need to take a deep breath and relax... I also find playing with my Barbies helps too.
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Well, the testosterone part is at least easy to fix.

I am one hole in my thigh away from feeling like a man again, getting my focus, motivation and the ability to bone a girl back.

however i choose to wait things out and embrace the new girly and emotional me.
 
I enjoyed this thread a lot more when it was about balls. It got weird real fast in here.
 
And of course it is going to get weird when OP is a weird, mood-swinging, pms-like, zero testosterone clomid b1tch.
 
Wobmarvel said:
You go with chocolate though right?... Wait though, vanillas way more versatile ... Damn, I need to start a thread on this.
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I am the worlds cheapest, bargain-hunting douchiest 40 year old.
I’d buy pickle and raisin flavor whey if it was discounted.
True story: I went to pick up some food for work at a local grocery store on my lunch break last Tuesday. I wandered into the protein powder section despite always buying it in bulk at Costco. I found that they were discounting Optimum Nutrition whey isolate for $7.25 a jug, marked down from $28.99.
I bought every one they had. Over the next 4 days, I drove to 11 different Frys all over the Phoenix area and bought every one of them I could find. I’m running out of room in my kitchen to store them.
Bargains are probably the most exciting thing in my life outside of the gym.
 
Matthersby said:
I am the worlds cheapest, bargain-hunting douchiest 40 year old.
I’d buy pickle and raisin flavor whey if it was discounted.
True story: I went to pick up some food for work at a local grocery store on my lunch break last Tuesday. I wandered into the protein powder section despite always buying it in bulk at Costco. I found that they were discounting Optimum Nutrition whey isolate for $7.25 a jug, marked down from $28.99.
I bought every one they had. Over the next 4 days, I drove to 11 different Frys all over the Phoenix area and bought every one of them I could find. I’m running out of room in my kitchen to store them.
Bargains are probably the most exciting thing in my life outside of the gym.
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I think you got yourself a business,
Once the auction is done, sell them for 19.99!

and buy some precuous metals maaan. Times are uncertan.
 
CroLifter said:
The sides i am experiemcing right now cant be because of steroids.

They are because of my reckless phlebotomies. I woke up today with really bad purple spots under my eyes, it was exactly like that when i crashed my ferritin last time.

Even though i didnt let anymore blood since then, i think that because of my poor diet and me stopping iron supplementation due to high hct pushed me over the edge, especially with my diet being **** in the last few days (travelling and basically eating like a survivalist, bread tuna and peanuts lol, i spent a lot of time in the forest).

Man i dont want to be a smart ass but i also see thwt you are worried. I mean we are trying to support each other on this board,
I know you got a wife/girlfriend, down th eroad who knows, kids may come.
I would personally start cutting down on my gear use.

For example i wouod act much different if i was on cycle right now and my hct started creeping up.
First of all, i wouldnt try to force it. I was a dumbass, cranking up masteron because i liked the way it made me feel.
In retrospect, i should have finished my cycle at week 10 and none of this cruise bs. I should have gone straight to pct after esters cleared.

And i should have stuck with just 500mg of test.

But oh man...live and learn.

And while gains i got from this small experiment i did with steroids are slowly fading away into nothingness , at least i can say that what i got out of it is meeting some interesting personalities similar to myself on this board.
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Just my personal experience, I’ve done nothing but more steroids since my last labs and my hematocrit was 52.7(53 is high out of range)
I’ve only let 6fl oz 3 times last month which is barely over a pint in a month’s time and mine was 48.1 this round of labs. I’m starting to think home phlebotomies may be too ambitious.
I imagine If I was even doing a pint a month, my hematocrit would actually be too low by now.
Maybe you took too much on.
Eat iron rich foods, get more labs, call it a day.
 
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