Unanswered Recomps! What has worked best?

[Matthersby]

Let’s hear it, please. I’m steadily gaining right now on close to 2 grams a week of gear.
But I’m not pleased with my fat gain lately.

Especially with it being summer.

I need a recomp where ZERO size or strength is lost.

Lots of ideas that I feel would work, my biggest problem is anxiety with DHTs but I’m sure I can figure something out. Just probably won’t be running 800 mast or anything.

Maybe:
DHB 400/week
Winnie 60/day
T3

Or Dienolone 550/week
Winnie
Tren Ace 150/week(even worth it?)
T/3 + Helios.

Or

Trest 200/week
Mast or Desoxy 350/week
Var
T3

If there’s even a chance of losing size, I’ll wait until I’m comfortably 265-270 but I would really love a 10 week recomp to get this fat off but keep the muscle I’ve worked hard to get.
Anyone that knows me here, I don’t ever cut. I’m perpetually always bulking. It’s time, my belly looks like shyt.

 

[JoeStethics]

I had two pretty successful recomp cycles.
One was more focused on gaining muscle without gaining fat which in turn decreased my bf% and i did look much leaner(this was after bulking on high test for a while though) went from 240 lbs 14% to around 242 at 11% after 8 weeks on 500 test e and 400 tren A(calories were around 3300 and 3600)
The second is now where i have never seen such results, i started at 211 lbs 8 weeks ago where i have been training and eating like **** from the beginning of this year(very busy with uni) so i lost a lot of mass and just looked much worse so i hopped on 250 test e and tren A 500 which took me from 211 at around 12% bf to 224 lbs 10% bf, this time diet was more focused on fat loss(between 2400 and 2700 calories).
Tren and recomping go hand in hand, and i dont care what anyone says, with the right diet my weight seems to remain the same or barely fluctuate and i seem to get bigger and leaner regardless if im bulking or cutting but if ur diet is in check with ur goals test and tren is all u need and all u will ever need. Not to be a hypocrite but adding t3 and anavar/winstrol and maybe equipoise or masteron as another injectable(not all together) all seem viable options for more dramatic and improved results depending on ur goals on which compounds to add of course.

 

[Matthersby]

following this ... interested in var but i have never tried it

a few follow up questions:

1. what is your current weight and BF? and do you have a goal in mind (like lose 10 lb fat and gain/maintain 5 lb muscle?) or something like that?

2. is there a risk of T3 desensitization? or taking the wrong T3 protocol and throwing your thyroid off?

3. whats your current diet?

1. 243 no clue bf% — I want to lose a noticeable amount of bodyfat
2. Nope luckily the thyroid is a lot like the pancreas and doesn’t just completely shut off week 2, like the testosterone does. Plus I’m not concerned, I could use a little desensitization.
3. Diet is 250-300 grams protein a day and as much other food as I can get down. Whole milk always in my protein shakes. My pwo shake is 700 calories, I try to eat a pound of peanut butter a day, and I put cheese and butter on everything I can.
Obviously this will change if I recomp in addition to adding hiit and hiking eod.
I enjoy lowish carb dieting with carb loading days or even better around work out times. I’m not too bad at losing fat since I enjoy steroids a lot. Just extremely concerned with keeping my current size. So really the most effective drugs are my primary focus since I know how to cut fat. I just tend to lose a little size with it and I’m not willing to this time

 

[Smont]

1. 243 no clue bf% — I want to lose a noticeable amount of bodyfat
2. Nope luckily the thyroid is a lot like the pancreas and doesn’t just completely shut off week 2, like the testosterone does. Plus I’m not concerned, I could use a little desensitization.
3. Diet is 250-300 grams protein a day and as much other food as I can get down. Whole milk always in my protein shakes. My pwo shake is 700 calories, I try to eat a pound of peanut butter a day, and I put cheese and butter on everything I can.
Obviously this will change if I recomp in addition to adding hiit and hiking eod.
I enjoy lowish carb dieting with carb loading days or even better around work out times. I’m not too bad at losing fat since I enjoy steroids a lot. Just extremely concerned with keeping my current size. So really the most effective drugs are my primary focus since I know how to cut fat. I just tend to lose a little size with it and I’m not willing to this time

If you just dropped that lb. Of peanut butter you would probably drop a lot of bf

 

[Matthersby]

If you just dropped that lb. Of peanut butter you would probably drop a lot of bf

It’s so yum though.

 

[Matthersby]

If you just dropped that lb. Of peanut butter you would probably drop a lot of bf

I’m totally good with pulling the trigger on a quick recomp and abandon my bulk diet for a few months. Just want to figure out my drugs.

 

[jrock645]

I know it’s pricy as hell to run a proper dose, especially with your size and experience... but why not primo?

 

[Smont]

I’m totally good with pulling the trigger on a quick recomp and abandon my bulk diet for a few months. Just want to figure out my drugs.

Test tren mast t3.

 

[Smont]

Test tren mast t3.

Or test mast winny t3

 

[Whisky]

Gh bro, either legit hgh if you can get it and pin twice a day or mk plus 4mg cjc dac a week (2 x2mg) plus hex pwo - ive recently realised just how much that benefited me last year and started it again this year when progress wasn’t nearly the same. Already seeing results.

That plus clen for 2 weeks and ephedrine for the next 2 etc

 

[jrock645]

Gh bro, either legit hgh if you can get it and pin twice a day or mk plus 4mg cjc dac a week (2 x2mg) plus hex pwo - ive recently realised just how much that benefited me last year and started it again this year when progress wasn’t nearly the same. Already seeing results.

That plus clen for 2 weeks and ephedrine for the next 2 etc

Do you have any experience with hgh frag? I’m interested in it for fat loss but don’t know many places to get it.

 

[Matthersby]

Gh bro, either legit hgh if you can get it and pin twice a day or mk plus 4mg cjc dac a week (2 x2mg) plus hex pwo - ive recently realised just how much that benefited me last year and started it again this year when progress wasn’t nearly the same. Already seeing results.

That plus clen for 2 weeks and ephedrine for the next 2 etc

How much does 4mg/daily set you back $ ?
I’m at a point I can afford it, just need to be responsible since I spend a good amount on gear plus ancillaries.
Never ran any kind of peptide or GH, ever so I am interested.

 

[Whisky]

Do you have any experience with hgh frag? I’m interested in it for fat loss but don’t know many places to get it.

I haven’t run frag but was listening to Mike Arnold talk about it on a podcast and for fat loss he doesn’t recommend it just due to the short half life. Obviously we want fat lipolysis to be consistent and hgh does that much better.

Hgh can be pricey but if you go the right places then cjc dac at 4mg a week gives the equivalent of 5-6iu a day when combined with mk at roughly half the price (and way less pinning)

 

[Whisky]

How much does 4mg/daily set you back $ ?
I’m at a point I can afford it, just need to be responsible since I spend a good amount on gear plus ancillaries.
Never ran any kind of peptide or GH, ever so I am interested.

Hgh depends on dosage but from China (where I get my peptides) it comes in around $200-250 a month (approx conversion etc)

I’m paying roughly half that for the cjc dac plus hexarelin and tbh I’ve more confidence in those peptides being legit for some reason.

I also forgot to mention tesamorelin- this **** is pretty new but is fda approved and crazy fat loss - it’s used for fat loss in hiv patients but I’ve heard of people using it with amazing results. That’s hgh prices but apparently better results in terms of fat loss. I have a months worth but haven’t run it yet.....

 

[Renew1]

Hgh depends on dosage but from China (where I get my peptides) it comes in around $200-250 a month (approx conversion etc)

I’m paying roughly half that for the cjc dac plus hexarelin and tbh I’ve more confidence in those peptides being legit for some reason.

I also forgot to mention tesamorelin- this **** is pretty new but is fda approved and crazy fat loss - it’s used for fat loss in hiv patients but I’ve heard of people using it with amazing results. That’s hgh prices but apparently better results in terms of fat loss. I have a months worth but haven’t run it yet.....

"Used for fat loss in HIV patients". I think that's the first time I've ever seen or heard that phrase.

 

[Whisky]

Haha yeah not acommon comment but legit for sure

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[Matthersby]

I had two pretty successful recomp cycles.
One was more focused on gaining muscle without gaining fat which in turn decreased my bf% and i did look much leaner(this was after bulking on high test for a while though) went from 240 lbs 14% to around 242 at 11% after 8 weeks on 500 test e and 400 tren A(calories were around 3300 and 3600)
The second is now where i have never seen such results, i started at 211 lbs 8 weeks ago where i have been training and eating like **** from the beginning of this year(very busy with uni) so i lost a lot of mass and just looked much worse so i hopped on 250 test e and tren A 500 which took me from 211 at around 12% bf to 224 lbs 10% bf, this time diet was more focused on fat loss(between 2400 and 2700 calories).
Tren and recomping go hand in hand, and i dont care what anyone says, with the right diet my weight seems to remain the same or barely fluctuate and i seem to get bigger and leaner regardless if im bulking or cutting but if ur diet is in check with ur goals test and tren is all u need and all u will ever need. Not to be a hypocrite but adding t3 and anavar/winstrol and maybe equipoise or masteron as another injectable(not all together) all seem viable options for more dramatic and improved results depending on ur goals on which compounds to add of course.

Great advice. I’m just hesitant with Tren. Brain chemistry this year Has not been great for some of these drugs. I’m even hesitant to use high dosed DHTs. Going to make a decision over the next 4 weeks. I may get some Tren Ace and give it a few weeks at a lowish dose and see how I tolerate it.

 

[JoeStethics]

Great advice. I’m just hesitant with Tren. Brain chemistry this year Has not been great for some of these drugs. I’m even hesitant to use high dosed DHTs. Going to make a decision over the next 4 weeks. I may get some Tren Ace and give it a few weeks at a lowish dose and see how I tolerate it.

Yeah, cant lie to you about the mental sides, but it isn't that bad.
Like u might feel down or out of it some days, sometimes depressed sometimes u wanna cry, but nothing beats that awesome rage and rush of euphoria u get, especially if ur kinda pissed off (u dont wanna tick and lose it), thats something else on tren. But man i love the mental **** from tren i live for that ****, it makes u more ruthless, aggressive, and determined. Just dump ur gf for the time ur on tren and all is good

 

[Old Witch]

Test, Mast, Tren, Var, Winny, T3.

You gonna be shredded.

 

[DaveyCrockett]

Test E 500
EQ 600
Tren E 1000
Letro to stay dry

Intense fat loss, and I swear some of the physique changes seem damn near permanent at least around the midsection

But yeah, I wasn't what you would consider sane or stable so there's that as well. Too much Tren takes me places sometimes

 

[Matthersby]

Test, Mast, Tren, Var, Winny, T3.

You gonna be shredded.

I LOVE that!
What do you think about lowish Tren dose?
Is it worth it? I’d like to not commit and if I’m sleeping and not violent, kick the dose up. Something like 150/week to start?

 

[Old Witch]

I LOVE that!
What do you think about lowish Tren dose?
Is it worth it? I’d like to not commit and if I’m sleeping and not violent, kick the dose up. Something like 150/week to start?

Well... if it was tren hex then I’d say for sure 150 is good. Ace though... tren is really strong but I think 50 a day maybe more is what’s going to do the job.

Ramping up slowly is always a smart idea if you’re not sure how you’ll react mentally.

So sure, start MWF or EOD with 50 each pin and then start filling in the days if it’s all good. Apparently skipping a day is what brings on the sides so... that’s why you see so many guys having great luck with daily use. YMMV

If you can sleep, and you’re not ready to commit murder 24/7 I think it’s a win.

 

[Old Witch]

All that being said, that’s a straight up Pro-level stack. Also the kind of lengths I’d have to go to myself to really get lean.

Did similar without the tren, in the before-time in the long-long-ago.

 

[JoeStethics]

Test E 500
EQ 600
Tren E 1000
Letro to stay dry

Intense fat loss, and I swear some of the physique changes seem damn near permanent at least around the midsection

But yeah, I wasn't what you would consider sane or stable so there's that as well. Too much Tren takes me places sometimes

What would u think of using that as a rebound blast post cutting, already have the test and tren, would just just increase them and add eq, then run for a lean bulk?

 

[DaveyCrockett]

What would u think of using that as a rebound blast post cutting, already have the test and tren, would just just increase them and add eq, then run for a lean bulk?

Everyone is different, but at that amount of Tren E, my appetite was starting to drop some, even with the EQ thrown in. But i was roughly 170-175 lbs so adjust accordingly.

 

[CroLifter]

1000mg of tren? You guys are crazy.
I was actually thinking of throwing 150mg of parabolan per week on top of my trt dose for my next blast, instead of doing 600mg + test. And some proviron/masteron (although proviron seems to work better for me) in the end to harden up. If I could go from 240 @ 12-14% to 240 @ 8-10% in 8 weeks i would be delighted.

@DaveyCrockett man 500mg of test took me places, and I dont mean jail or police station. If you know what i mean

 

[DaveyCrockett]

1000mg of tren? You guys are crazy.
I was actually thinking of throwing 150mg of parabolan per week on top of my trt dose for my next blast, instead of doing 600mg + test. And some proviron/masteron (although proviron seems to work better for me) in the end to harden up. If I could go from 240 @ 12-14% to 240 @ 8-10% in 8 weeks i would be delighted.

@DaveyCrockett man 500mg of test took me places, and I dont mean jail or police station. If you know what i mean

I always hear "there's no roid rage bro, people are just a$$holes to start with, I never had any problems..."

I happen to think that there's a seed of insecurity and resentment in all of us...in some people so small that it's almost not there, but it's there....and if you feed that seed enough Trenbolone....

Sh*t goes sideways

 

[jrock645]

I always hear "there's no roid rage bro, people are just a$$holes to start with, I never had any problems..."

I happen to think that there's a seed of insecurity and resentment in all of us...in some people so small that it's almost not there, but it's there....and if you feed that seed enough Trenbolone....

Sh*t goes sideways

Yeah im already impatient by nature and can be kind of a dick. Tren is out of the question.

 

[DaveyCrockett]

Yeah im already impatient by nature and can be kind of a dick. Tren is out of the question.

Statistically, AAS users are way more likely to be murdered. Yes, BE murdered lol.....I'm sure I came close on Tren before

 

[mixedup]

Wait I'm confused you ended at 242 lbs and 8 weeks ago you were 211. You lost 31lbs?

 

[Matthersby]

I always hear "there's no roid rage bro, people are just a$$holes to start with, I never had any problems..."

I happen to think that there's a seed of insecurity and resentment in all of us...in some people so small that it's almost not there, but it's there....and if you feed that seed enough Trenbolone....

Sh*t goes sideways

I have more patience than anyone I’ve met, lose my temper once or twice a decade, but if you get the right amounts/types of aas in me, and I can be half a choice away from an assault charge. Tren just seems like it’s going to push my limits in this regard, as much as it would be the simplest answer to my physique goals, I’d really like to get around it somehow.

 

[DaveyCrockett]

I hear you. I know it might seem redundant, but I wonder if throwing Proviron in with Test/Mast/whatever else might help a recomp even further....I know youre tryin to stay away from orals but idk if ProV is harsh at all.

 

[Matthersby]

I’m thinking Dienolone dose pushed minimum to 500/week
Winnie 50-60ed
T3 low dose
Proviron @50mg/ed???
Lowish carb

I believe this can do the trick

 

[Matthersby]

Wait I'm confused you ended at 242 lbs and 8 weeks ago you were 211. You lost 31lbs?

Wait, are you talking to me?

 

[mixedup]

Wait, are you talking to me?

No not up I was referring to jorstheics

 

[Matthersby]

No not up I was referring to jorstheics

Super weird because that’s super close to my weight and what I dropped down to by January. I lose weight hella fast if I don’t train and eat. I think my genetics jus don’t support the kind of muscle I’d like to have on me. But I was 160 when I started training, so hitting 260 would be one hell of an awesome milestone for me.

 

[Old Witch]

Super weird because that’s super close to my weight and what I dropped down to by January. I lose weight hella fast if I don’t train and eat. I think my genetics jus don’t support the kind of muscle I’d like to have on me. But I was 160 when I started training, so hitting 260 would be one hell of an awesome milestone for me.

Same here, I lost three pounds in one day just the other day. Awful.

 

[DaveyCrockett]

Down 4 lbs since I cracked the rib a week ago and have bee unable to lift. Went from force feeding basically to just normal eating. Watching weight fall off is saaad when it's not the goal

 

[Old Witch]

Down 4 lbs since I cracked the rib a week ago and have bee unable to lift. Went from force feeding basically to just normal eating. Watching weight fall off is saaad when it's not the goal

How long are you down for? You might get some extra liquid calories in to try and keep weight up.

 

[RickyBlobby]

Trest epistane dhb ig you can hang with the epi sides.

Trest and epi are like peanut butter and smuckers for me.

 

[CroLifter]

I always hear "there's no roid rage bro, people are just a$$holes to start with, I never had any problems..."

I happen to think that there's a seed of insecurity and resentment in all of us...in some people so small that it's almost not there, but it's there....and if you feed that seed enough Trenbolone....

Sh*t goes sideways

I actually didnt think of aggression or rage, i didnt have those on test (a bit edgy on masteron though), i may have expressed myself in a wrong way as english is not my 1st language.
But sometimes it seems af if there is a different person within you that acts, it feels its not you. And then, when you happen to have a moment of sanity you are like "whoa".

 

[DaveyCrockett]

How long are you down for? You might get some extra liquid calories in to try and keep weight up.

Well, everything I've read says 6-8 weeks no heavy lifting.....so if I had any sense I'd give it a month....

Two weeks maybe and we'll see how it looks. As my own doctor (lol) I prescribed myself more Tren to slow catabolism and as my own pharmacist, filled that script right away.

 

[DaveyCrockett]

I actually didnt think of aggression or rage, i didnt have those on test (a bit edgy on masteron though), i may have expressed myself in a wrong way as english is not my 1st language.
But sometimes it seems af if there is a different person within you that acts, it feels its not you. And then, when you happen to have a moment of sanity you are like "whoa".

Yes. Testosterone, in particular, I think I understand what you are saying. I used to be shy and passive. Now, not so much. My girlfriend loves it sometimes, and hates it sometimes. The girls that I work with, they seem to love it all the time. It's weird.

 

[CroLifter]

Yes. Testosterone, in particular, I think I understand what you are saying. I used to be shy and passive. Now, not so much. My girlfriend loves it sometimes, and hates it sometimes. The girls that I work with, they seem to love it all the time. It's weird.

Now that it has become so hot outside i am much more edgy than when i was on almost a gram combined of test and mast. So tren during summer would be a no go for me.

 

[Chados]

4k calories, 300gr of protein 200gr of carbs and the rest from fats, try it.

 

[Matthersby]

Trest epistane dhb ig you can hang with the epi sides.

Trest and epi are like peanut butter and smuckers for me.

Trest and ALL dht’s. ️
I’m one of the lucky ones that feels so decent on Epi, that I can push dose to 60.
But Winnie seems like it’s calling me on this one.

 

[Matthersby]

So with PRO actually shut down right now, my other source carries Dien E. Which kind of sucks because I want to get everything kicking ASAP. I’m really quite fond of short esters, especially with drugs that can suck mentally.
Starting to rethink this again.

 

[Smont]

Statistically, AAS users are way more likely to be murdered. Yes, BE murdered lol.....I'm sure I came close on Tren before

Where do those statistics come from???

 

[johnny412]

Trest and ALL dht’s. ️
I’m one of the lucky ones that feels so decent on Epi, that I can push dose to 60.
But Winnie seems like it’s calling me on this one.

what do you take with epi? It kills me! lol

 

[Old Witch]

Where do those statistics come from???

Joe Biden.