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Unanswered PH’s - vs Oral AAS’s

brandlife

brandlife

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So I have ran a few cycles on PH’s in the past with good results. Maybe the results weren’t as extreme as I wanted but I’m not sure if it’s ever “enough”!! My list of pro’s and cons.

PLEASE keep in mind that under any circumstances will I pin anything as I’m a recovering addict. 14 years clean.

My issues with Anabolics are that you’re taking 1 or 2 drugs that do 1 or 2 things, then you spend the rest of the time chasing down sides and combating other symptoms. It’s like, just when I figure some portion of a cycle out there’s something new that pops up. Not to mention that they’re also tough to get sometimes and I just had a package seized at customs.

Please keep in mind we’re talking orals ONLY

With PH’s - I k ow that with hardcore dudes these are always pretty wack because of all the other designer crap mixed in butbthe good way I’m seeing that is there’s also a lot of things mixed in that help with sides and make the overall compound more well rounded.

I just feel like at the end of the day with someone who’s having all kinds of trouble keeping up with what drug does what and feeling tired and low e and all kinda of other crap that PH’s are the way to go.

Your thoughts?
 
That's my point, what do you mean by prohormones? Its a vague label applied to different things. Mostly just to esoteric oral steroids that never made the commercial market, in which case comparing them to steroids is redundant, because they're the same thing
 
BarryScott said:
That's my point, what do you mean by prohormones? Its a vague label applied to different things. Mostly just to esoteric oral steroids that never made the commercial market, in which case comparing them to steroids is redundant, because they're the same thing
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You’re gonna f%^k up my thread with these responses. PH’s are a always a blend of multiple items making it more of a designer supplement. So my point is that they e taken lots of the guess work out of just taking 1 drug doing 1 thing to your body and needing a test base, or something combat estrogen or keep water retention or a whole host of other things.

I know they’re a thousand different PH’s and also AAS but I’m speaking to the concept of just taking 1 pill that’s a blend over another pill that 1 Item
 
If that's what more you mean though, then I think it's probably more sensible to dose your ancillaries to your own needs, rather than be stuck with whatever dosage is lumped in with your PH stack.

Also, that way you can use real AIs, caber, etc. and not OTC stuff that doesn't really work.
 
OK, but we're not talking about PCT. I'm talking about this:

brandlife said:
So my point is that they e taken lots of the guess work out of just taking 1 drug doing 1 thing to your body and needing a test base, or something combat estrogen or keep water retention or a whole host of other things.
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What I'm saying is I don't see that as much of an advantage, because the most effective ancillaries to combat sides (AIs, dopamine agonists, etc.) aren't going to be able to be included in an OTC product.
 
The point we are trying to make is that when you say prohormones you need to refer to something like the andros which must convert into active steroids to be effective.. you do realize that if you are referring to stuff like halodrol, super Drol, epistane etc.. aloft of those so called prohormones are indeed designer steroids no different that REAL orals such as Dianabol anandrol etc, meaning, they are already active and don’t need conversion, just because it was able to bought in stores before the ban, people somehow label them as PH because saying we sell designer steroids won’t go to well..
 
bradleyt1 said:
The point we are trying to make is that when you say prohormones you need to refer to something like the andros which must convert into active steroids to be effective.. you do realize that if you are referring to stuff like halodrol, super Drol, epistane etc.. aloft of those so called prohormones are indeed designer steroids no different that REAL orals such as Dianabol anandrol etc, meaning, they are already active and don’t need conversion, just because it was able to bought in stores before the ban, people somehow label them as PH because saying we sell designer steroids won’t go to well..
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So if I must pigeon hole myself I'd say designer steroids then. I'm speaking more to epiandro, DHEA, andro blends.
 
Prohormones was made by Patrick Arnold in balco lab and because they weren't exactly aas they were legal and often it takes weeks or months before they get banned because the substance doesn't exist. It was also made for us athletes to pass tests.

Prohormones have to undergo biosynthesis to sort of create what we'd refer to as aas while aas is already a steroid.

To make it more simple. If you buy vodka it's already vodka but if you make it at home you first have to go through the process of using things like yeast to create the alcohol.

Many steroids that's not used in medicin such as superdrol will be called prohormone when sold which it isn't. Masteron that's created by thr same people is not called a prohormone and can't be sold at a regular store in England but superdrol can. The law is extremely flawed and its like they would ban Guinness beer but not budweiser.

Prohormones were also said to be used for no longer than 4 to 6 weeks which includes superdrol which again isn't a prohormone. The steroids used in medicin are sometimes used at high dosages for months and the reason why they say 4 weeks is because they don't wanna get sued or see people dying from their products.
 
brandlife said:
So if I must pigeon hole myself I'd say designer steroids then. I'm speaking more to epiandro, DHEA, andro blends.
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Ok, yeah... Those are ACTUAL PHs. (The correct usage of the word).

To be honest... I HATE blends (especially unless they are labeled exactly how much of each compound is in them).
If the dosages for each individual compound aren't labeled, you can never know how much of each compound you are taking.
And like Barry Scott said, there is no way to control your dosages, or subtract compounds (either way).
 
brandlife said:
You’re gonna f%^k up my thread with these responses. PH’s are a always a blend of multiple items making it more of a designer supplement. Invalid Link RemovedSo my point is that they e taken lots of the guess work out of just taking 1 drug doing 1 thing to your body and needing a test base, or something combat estrogen or keep water retention or a whole host of other things.

I know they’re a thousand different PH’s and also AAS but I’m speaking to the concept of just taking 1 pill that’s a blend over another pill that 1 Item
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sorry dude. this is completely misguided
 
With unmethylated oral steroids such as DHEA and it’s isomers it tends to be the case that the sides present before the results, whereas with methylated steroids, some of the sides (bloating) actually produce some of the results.

In my opinion, with one, you’re battling sides for results barely above natural, the other you’re battling the same exact sides at the same intensity for much much much more growth.
 
That all being said, if you’re not getting sides from 1 andro, then you probably won’t get sides from DHB, and with methylated delta-1 steroids you’d only get the 17a methylation sides.
 
Old Witch said:
That all being said, if you’re not getting sides from 1 andro, then you probably won’t get sides from DHB, and with methylated delta-1 steroids you’d only get the 17a methylation sides.
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"methylated delta-1 steroids"? Is that m1t and msten?
 
Old Witch said:
That all being said, if you’re not getting sides from 1 andro, then you probably won’t get sides from DHB, and with methylated delta-1 steroids you’d only get the 17a methylation sides.
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To your earlier point about. Not knowing how much of each compound is in a blend........ the thing is some sides, like bloating or lethargy could be fixed or contained by other compounds in the blend.
 
brandlife said:
To your earlier point about. Not knowing how much of each compound is in a blend........ the thing is some sides, like bloating or lethargy could be fixed or contained by other compounds in the blend.
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That’s how a smart stack works. Max LMG causes bloat, M1A increases size dramatically, DMZ and MSten dry it out, Methyl diazirinol shows the cuts... that’s the original KING formula. Most guys had no sides but the methylation sides. Some blood pressure increase and lethargy. You can’t get gyno from the Max LMG because of all those dhts and you can’t get dry joints from taking all that dht because of the Max LMG.

And that’s four methylated steroids. Still not as toxic as Cheque or halotestin.
 
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Sorry dude you're not going to get the best responses here by being a douche biscuit
 
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