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HCG and general advice regarding long cycle

puffynips

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Hey Guys So I'm coming to the end of a 20 week cycle. It was supposed to be 16 weeks but I started a new job and didnt want to start it with low test. I felt anxious enough about it. Anyway I've ****ed thing up a little. 4 weeks ago I started taking HCG at 500iu X2 Every week. I took my last shot of Test E 8 days ago and swapped onto Test prop whilst I wait for the esters to clear. I have another 10 days of taking the Test p before I stop and wait another 2 days before jumping onto Tamox n Clomid. Basically I'm waiting 3 weeks from last shot of Test E before starting PCT. So My Question: I dont have enough HCG to last another 10 days but I could stretch it out. Or considering the length of the cycle should I get more HCG and use high doses as part of my PCT? I've made great gains and I really dont wanna lose em. Cheers in advance.
Alternatively could I cut the period from Last shot Test E from 3 weeks to 2 weeks? This would give me more than enough HCG to see me up to PCT
 
I've made a mistake, its only 2 weeks from last shot til pct with test e. Not sure why I had that wrong. Guess I have my answer. Unless anyone would advise using HCG in PCT due to length of cycle?
 
I’m sure other will choke in, but from what I understand, you should not use hcg in pct as it is suppressive. A lot of people blast it the last two or so weeks of cycle to “wake the boys up” so to speak so the testes respond well to whatever serm you use.
 
You dont want to run hcg during pct....but you want to run it right up til those esthers clear. If it were me...and I didnt have enough hcg to last that long I'd probably quit right now and save the rest for the last 1-2 weeks before pct depending on how much you have. Then do 1000iu doses e3d til you start pct. Idea being your not going to keep them on but blast them back into working condition right before you need them
 
bigbeaph said:
You dont want to run hcg during pct....but you want to run it right up til those esthers clear. If it were me...and I didnt have enough hcg to last that long I'd probably quit right now and save the rest for the last 1-2 weeks before pct depending on how much you have. Then do 1000iu doses e3d til you start pct. Idea being your not going to keep them on but blast them back into working condition right before you need them
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Yeah exactly.

The two ways I’ve seen HCG used are either

1) 500iu a week throughout cycle stopping just before pct

2) blast it (5000iu a week) for two weeks just pre pct.

Personally I ran it fhroughout my last cycle and would do so again but on the basis that’s not longer an option I’d be buying some more and upping the dosage significantly
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm down to 1000iu with the HCG but I can get more if it would be worth it. I read quite a few different opinions about using the HCG before I used it on my last cycle, but ended up using it for the 5 weeks prior to PCT at 1000iu per week. My recovery went perfectly so I'd figured I'd do the same again. I think I heard that on the 'ask the doc' AAS Youtube channel but anyway. I thought I'd got my timings wrong this time but I do have enough for another week of 1000iu before starting PCT. -That'll cover the 2 weeks since last Test E poke. Having done more research I will run it all way through next time but has it been a waste of time using it at 1000ui for last 5 weeks of cycle? Is it worth me shelling out for another bottle/vial to use in this last week?
 
puffynips said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm down to 1000iu with the HCG but I can get more if it would be worth it. I read quite a few different opinions about using the HCG before I used it on my last cycle, but ended up using it for the 5 weeks prior to PCT at 1000iu per week. My recovery went perfectly so I'd figured I'd do the same again. I think I heard that on the 'ask the doc' AAS Youtube channel but anyway. I thought I'd got my timings wrong this time but I do have enough for another week of 1000iu before starting PCT. -That'll cover the 2 weeks since last Test E poke. Having done more research I will run it all way through next time but has it been a waste of time using it at 1000ui for last 5 weeks of cycle? Is it worth me shelling out for another bottle/vial to use in this last week?
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1000iu /wk worked before and it may work again. 20 + weeks is a long cycle though so shutdown/ suppression could easily be worse than your last cycle..... No, using it the last 5 weeks has not been a waste. And yes, getting another vial would be a good idea. Like you said, you read on the subject and you find all sorts of protocols. Again...if it were me...I'd get another 5000iu vial and run 1000iu eod for the last 10 days before you begin pct. Thing is it's different for everyone so going this route is a little better insurance
 
Hcg can be effective in a number of different ways. If used in pct it must be only one or two doses. If pct fails, there’s a way to use hcg for that as well, in a very high singular dose, in an attempt to shock-start the hpta.
 
LaserGoPewPew said:
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Same question as above - when you tried HCG did you have any sides that you could attribute to the HCG use?
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Weren't you saying in another thread you knew a pro who didnt like hcg bc of the sides? My bad if it wasnt but that's the only time I've heard of bad sides from hcg. For me it kept my boys full, ramped up sex drive, fixed some sporadic on cycle ed, and made recovery quicker and easier. Actually I'm not coming off after this cycle - trt for me...but I'm continuing 500iu 2X per week anyway bc it benefits me that much. Only sides I have heard much of is that of estrogenic effects....some guys have to adjust their a.i. when using it.....for me it's just 2 quick subq sticks a week and that's it.
 
Old Witch said:
Hcg can be effective in a number of different ways. If used in pct it must be only one or two doses. If pct fails, there’s a way to use hcg for that as well, in a very high singular dose, in an attempt to shock-start the hpta.
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Have you seen the new protocol of a dose of triptorellin to flip the switch on? Seems interesting...until you overdo it lol
 
bigbeaph said:
Have you seen the new protocol of a dose of triptorellin to flip the switch on? Seems interesting...until you overdo it lol
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Yes I have. Does seem interesting. I’ve seen it used, seen some blood work. Though that’s easy to fake. None of my friends have tried it yet. Too chicken. And probably no need. Normal pct works, and some are b&c so... no need.

Overdo it and you’re shut down

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Old Witch said:
Overdo it and you’re shut down

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Lol - last years cycle I was set on using it...then as I find a few hundo mcg extra and your done I decided hcg and nolva work just fine. Very cool concept though. Imagine running a 20 week cycle and then your just a quick pin away from nearly normal.
 
bigbeaph said:
Lol - last years cycle I was set on using it...then as I find a few hundo mcg extra and your done I decided hcg and nolva work just fine. Very cool concept though. Imagine running a 20 week cycle and then your just a quick pin away from nearly normal.
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Taking 5000iu of hcg in one week/shot is supposed to do the same thing. I’d try that first.
 
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