High BF cycle advice

brandlife

brandlife

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I posted a while back with this same photo (which is old) here and in over 35.

I'm pretty deadset on doing another cycle now to see how my body responds.
It's typically hard for me to get super motivated unless I'm about to start a cycle or it's during a cycle or coming off of one. It just helps me get more disciplined.

Alot of guys on here tell me to fix my diet first, or go natural with increased cardio before hopping on a cycle but honestly... I don't want to do that. I'd like to take the right kind of cycle for achieving the results that I'm looking for. I'm well aware that there is no gear that will magically make my fat stomach disappear.

Last summer I took a PH stack of Epi and Some other PH test alt called Shredded3 - My stomach got smaller and I dropped body fat and gained muscle. I'm hoping with a winny, clen & var stack I'll be able to do the same thing but better.

Any specific advice on how many mg of each I should be taking if I should leave one of these out over the other would be appreciated.

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If you don't want to get your diet on point, or do cardio. There is only one thing I can think of that will drop a significant amount of fat off your frame. And we can't talk about it here because of the dangers associated with taking an excessive amount

That said, you could probably put a dent in it with test/ tren/ var/ clen/ T3/4

Nice ink BTW. I like that style
 
RickyBlobby said:
If you don't want to get your diet on point, or do cardio. There is only one thing I can think of that will drop a significant amount of fat off your frame. And we can't talk about it here because of the dangers associated with taking an excessive amount

Nice ink BTW. I like that style
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Thanks.... I don't really "wanna drop an excessive amount" of weight and be dangerous but 10-20lbs would be great.

Also... I 100% wanna get my cardio and diet on point...just NOT before I start the cycle.
 
"I 100% wanna get my cardio and diet on point...just NOT before I start the cycle".

Bad choice.
Backwards.
Unsustainable, unless you are always going to be on cycle.
.. At least you're honest.
 
I don’t wanna be mean bro but someone who says he can’t be motivated off cycle is gonna fail miserably... it’s all about thinking long term and how you are off cycle is as important or even more important than how you are during a cycle.
 
If you wanna drop some weigjt you nees to get on track before the cycle. Trust me, dieting on cycle is no picnic. You think its tough now, just wait until the on cycle lethargy sets in. Im on now running keto at 1800cals a day and its absolutely brutal. No way id be able to do it if i wasnt two months into the cut before going on cycle.
 
Mathb33 said:
I don’t wanna be mean bro but someone who says he can’t be motivated off cycle is gonna fail miserably... it’s all about thinking long term and how you are off cycle is as important or even more important than how you are during a cycle.
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Ultimately I need better habits of how I achieve my cardio. I started doing supersets to keep my heart rate up and I may look into taking some boxing classes. I just thought that with new motivation with a cycle that would help start good habits.

In your opinion what am I trying to achieve before I start this cycle? Do i have a goal?
 
Renew1 said:
"I 100% wanna get my cardio and diet on point...just NOT before I start the cycle".

Bad choice.
Backwards.
Unsustainable, unless you are always going to be on cycle.
.. At least you're honest.
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Yeah as I read your post I was thinking exactly the same as Renew, do like the honesty bro but ultimately that doesn’t change the fact you are always going to struggle if it takes being on cycle for you to sort your diet out.

The stack you have will enable you to run a big calorie deficit with minimal muscle loss but you’d just gain that weight back off cycle imo.

Just my personal opinion but before you start this cycle you should be shooting for at least 2-3 months (honestly I’d normally say a lot more but trying to be realistic and taking on board your views) of consistent nutrition and training. As in tracking calorie intake daily, running a small deficit and losing a little fat naturally, hitting macros etc.

I think you’d get a lot more from any cycle if you sorted that first

Good luck bro
 
Whisky said:
Yeah as I read your post I was thinking exactly the same as Renew, do like the honesty bro but ultimately that doesn’t change the fact you are always going to struggle if it takes being on cycle for you to sort your diet out.

The stack you have will enable you to run a big calorie deficit with minimal muscle loss but you’d just gain that weight back off cycle imo.

Just my personal opinion but before you start this cycle you should be shooting for at least 2-3 months (honestly I’d normally say a lot more but trying to be realistic and taking on board your views) of consistent nutrition and training. As in tracking calorie intake daily, running a small deficit and losing a little fat naturally, hitting macros etc.

I think you’d get a lot more from any cycle if you sorted that first

Good luck bro
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Thanks man
 
brandlife said:
In your opinion what am I trying to achieve before I start this cycle? Do i have a goal?
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Bingo, this is the question you should be asking !

Goals should be ones that you can attain and measure. For example "I will do 1 hour of cardio on the stair climber 3 days a week" . Write it down. Write it down write it down! Now you have a specific goal. It goes from "I need more cardio" to having an exact measurable goal.

Same goes for diet. "I will eat xxxx amount of calories per day per week" . This is obviously more challenging as it requires more work so sometimes you can start with a more basic diet "I will plan out 2 meals a day, breakfast and dinner for the week" . Measurable goal. Review and increase.
Before you know it, you'll be back asking how to get huge because you lost too much weight bro!
 
Winny/Var/clen/t3 would be the strongest weight loss stack, but really awful for your heart. Better add cardarine, and do some daily cardio. Clen and t3 together is about as strong as it gets without going full nitro.
 
Training is a long term thing. As said above you will fail if you don't get the diet under control. As many will tell you that does not mean being strict all the time. When you bulk you can add and when you cut you subtract. Getting the body you want isn't always easy, but it's worth it.
 
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Hey guys - so I wanted to do a follow up to this post. I, begrudgingly took the advice of the forum and changed my diet and workout routine. I started boxing with a trainer 3x’s a week and have been using sweet sweat and I’m down 8lbs and overall look a little bit different and hopefully shedding BF% - I wanted to post a before and after pic to show my progress.

Overall I’m extremely happy with how my body is shaping up although I am losing a bit of the shape of my chest. I’d like to know if I can start to mingle in the clen into my workouts and how I should do so.

I box mon-wed-friday AM’s and not currently lifting at all want to start soon again.

Any help is appreciated
 
Why are you not including weight lifting? You are cutting......and losing muscle. Weight lifting would only increase your cutting, and help maintain some muscle.
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Renew1 said:
Why are you not including weight lifting? You are cutting......and losing muscle. Weight lifting would only increase your cutting, and help maintain some muscle.
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you're 100% right - My membership just lapsed at the gym while I was working with this personal training boxing guy - plus I was kinda f*^ked up and totally gassed after starting to work with this guy. I can build muscle WAY faster than I can lose weight.
 
I wouldn’t suggest any cycle. I’d implement full body workouts 2/3 times a week and steady state cardio the other days. If you really want to take something, maybe Cardarine to help with the cardio.
 
edsd said:
I wouldn’t suggest any cycle. I’d implement full body workouts 2/3 times a week and steady state cardio the other days. If you really want to take something, maybe Cardarine to help with the cardio.
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And by full body workouts, no machines, free weights, squats, deadlift, overhead press, bench and some sort of row.
 
edsd said:
I wouldn’t suggest any cycle. I’d implement full body workouts 2/3 times a week and steady state cardio the other days. If you really want to take something, maybe Cardarine to help with the cardio.
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Well - The point of this post is that I wanted to take something WEEKS ago but was advised not to as I was too overweight. I posted a progress pic to show where I'm at. So.....WHEN can I take something. Also, I wanted to point out that I'll continue my cardio and to lose fat and that really I wanted to start on my clen to kick this weight loss into full gear. Thoughts??
 
Old Witch said:
Winny/Var/clen/t3 would be the strongest weight loss stack, but really awful for your heart. Better add cardarine, and do some daily cardio. Clen and t3 together is about as strong as it gets without going full nitro.
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But witch..my cycle right now is Test, Tren, SD, Clen and T3...is this ok for my first run on gear?
 
Pretty sure i know what im talking about. I went from a 360lb powerlifter to 300lbs..approaching being fairly cut up
 
swimfan65 said:
Pretty sure i know what im talking about. I went from a 360lb powerlifter to 300lbs..approaching being fairly cut up
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Read the whole thread - I went from being a lazy POS to boxing 3 days a week and cutting weight and shaping up. Just asking about the clen now
 
I’d say right now the best thing to do is keep going at it or spike the punch with some anavar for a couple of months. By itself.

OP is leaner than I am. Less muscular for sure, but leaner.

Try this training plan, three sets of each with the same weight for each set. Try to hit failure best you can.

Session 1
Deadlift
Incline Press
Pullover
Pulldown
Seated Cable Row

Session 2
Squat
Overhead Press
Pendlay Row
Lateral Raise
Pushdown

Session 3
Bench Press
Dip
Bent Row
Crunch
Leg Curl

Do that with a rest day between each session, and in two months assess your progress. As the weights start to seem lighter, increase the weight used until it feels heavy again.
 
Ehhh, i say take what you want man. I wasnt in great shape when i started anabolics and noticed a pretty tremendous amount from them. Obviously your diet is much more important than any PED you take.

Id stay away from clen personally *and i have* but if you start lifting and take an ECA stack or yohimbine with a clean diet and perhaps anavar and test... yes you will turn into a beast. No need for clen or especially T3 or tren. If you arnt competing dont take this stuff, there is other moderately powerful stuff that wont kill you or make you extrmely depressed by throwing off your natural production of hormones. Good job on getting your body in motion and trying to make some changes.
 
TAKE WHATEVER MONEY YOU ARE SPENDING/GOING TO SPEND ON TRAINERS AND DRUGS.....AND PAY YOUR GYM MEMBERSHIP.

THE END.
 
Old Witch said:
I’d say right now the best thing to do is keep going at it or spike the punch with some anavar for a couple of months. By itself.

OP is leaner than I am. Less muscular for sure, but leaner.

Try this training plan, three sets of each with the same weight for each set. Try to hit failure best you can.

Session 1
Deadlift
Incline Press
Pullover
Pulldown
Seated Cable Row

Session 2
Squat
Overhead Press
Pendlay Row
Lateral Raise
Pushdown

Session 3
Bench Press
Dip
Bent Row
Crunch
Leg Curl

Do that with a rest day between each session, and in two months assess your progress. As the weights start to seem lighter, increase the weight used until it feels heavy again.
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Dude you gotta send me a pic...hes leaner? Hes like 40%
 
As you already did boxing, I would have skipped lifting and done boxing for longer, while dealing nutrition in.
If that doesn't get you lean, nothing will.
 
hairygrandpa said:
As you already did boxing, I would have skipped lifting and done boxing for longer, while dealing nutrition in.
If that doesn't get you lean, nothing will.
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Thanks for all the help guys - I’m TOTALLY going to still box. I’m not sure if I’m ever gonna stop as this is the only source of cardio that I can actually deal with!!!

This entire process was only to get lean enough so that i could start my Var / Winny cycle. When I asked about doing this I was told I was too fat to do a cutting cycle so here we are........ I guess I assumed I was still on the heavy side so I was just trying to kick the lean into high gear with clen.

TBH I really am a bit scared to mess with the clen and wouldn’t mind trying cardarine but it looks like I may lose with either of these... thoughts?
 
brandlife said:
Thanks for all the help guys - I’m TOTALLY going to still box. I’m not sure if I’m ever gonna stop as this is the only source of cardio that I can actually deal with!!!

This entire process was only to get lean enough so that i could start my Var / Winny cycle. When I asked about doing this I was told I was too fat to do a cutting cycle so here we are........ I guess I assumed I was still on the heavy side so I was just trying to kick the lean into high gear with clen.

TBH I really am a bit scared to mess with the clen and wouldn’t mind trying cardarine but it looks like I may lose with either of these... thoughts?
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Skip clen, its nasty and terrible for your heart. The shakes, ED, and insomnia are unbearable.

Since you seem to be jonesing to take something, I would follow Old Witch's advice with Anavar and that training program. You could also add Cardarine, it will help a ton with boxing.
 
brandlife said:
Thanks for all the help guys - I’m TOTALLY going to still box. I’m not sure if I’m ever gonna stop as this is the only source of cardio that I can actually deal with!!!

This entire process was only to get lean enough so that i could start my Var / Winny cycle. When I asked about doing this I was told I was too fat to do a cutting cycle so here we are........ I guess I assumed I was still on the heavy side so I was just trying to kick the lean into high gear with clen.

TBH I really am a bit scared to mess with the clen and wouldn’t mind trying cardarine but it looks like I may lose with either of these... thoughts?
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I think you undervalue nutrition -and overvalue roids. Anabolics are exactly what the name implies, they help add mass. I'm fighting my fat for 3 years now. Nutrition (daily diet) is by far the best method to control your BF, besides exercising.

Did a extreme approach 2 weeks ago, that yielded some success. Now I am on the the right track.

Have a look, maybe you can pull that off too -maybe even in conjunction with a var cycle:

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Old Witch said:
I’d say right now the best thing to do is keep going at it or spike the punch with some anavar for a couple of months. By itself.

OP is leaner than I am. Less muscular for sure, but leaner.

Try this training plan, three sets of each with the same weight for each set. Try to hit failure best you can.

Session 1
Deadlift
Incline Press
Pullover
Pulldown
Seated Cable Row

Session 2
Squat
Overhead Press
Pendlay Row
Lateral Raise
Pushdown

Session 3
Bench Press
Dip
Bent Row
Crunch
Leg Curl

Do that with a rest day between each session, and in two months assess your progress. As the weights start to seem lighter, increase the weight used until it feels heavy again.
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So I have a few questions with this....

1 - Var for a COUPLE OF MONTHS? Shutdown? How should I dose?
2 - Is 2 days of lifting enough per week?
 
danielvp said:
Skip clen, its nasty and terrible for your heart. The shakes, ED, and insomnia are unbearable.

Since you seem to be jonesing to take something, I would follow Old Witch's advice with Anavar and that training program. You could also add Cardarine, it will help a ton with boxing.
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Thanks man - I was gonna try out 20mg of the clen but I am super worried that I might freak out and experience crazy side effects.When I PCT'd with Nolva last year I could take a crap for like a week! It was nuts.
 
brandlife said:
hahahaha - then just F**king answer question 1!!!
I'm boxing 3 days a week and have the kids on the weekend!! Cut me a break!
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Only doing it once, there are endless protocols on how to cycle, here what I suggested to friends, who had success with that:

-Be in a caloric deficit

Var: 50/50/50/50/50/50
Torem:60/60/60/60/60/60 120/60/60 red = PCT
or, instead of torem, clomid at 25mg throughout. In PCT eod (new blood work showed better when EOD for elevating test)

Don't ask why, do it -or not.
 
brandlife said:
jesus guys - I can't box for 2 hours on a monday THEN go lift... cut me a break...

Hairygrandpa (skeeves me out just typing it) want me on a damn 6 month var cycle and I'm NOT even on TRT
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Weeks, brother, weeks....
 
hairygrandpa said:
Only doing it once, there are endless protocols on how to cycle, here what I suggested to friends, who had success with that:

-Be in a caloric deficit

Var: 50/50/50/50/50/50
Torem:60/60/60/60/60/60 120/60/60 red = PCT
or, instead of torem, clomid at 25mg throughout. In PCT eod (new blood work showed better when EOD for elevating test)

Don't ask why, do it -or not.
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roger that - but this is 6 weeks! not MONTHS
also... can I PCT with Nolva?
 
Jesus guys - I can't box for 2 hours on a monday THEN go lift... cut me a break...

Then don't box....
 
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