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GW and my-677

stopstalking

stopstalking

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Thinking of adding both these, as far as I can tell neither will cuz shutdown or loss of sperm ? I may be trying to have a baby in the near future and that’s the only reason I’m staying away from Aas/ph/ps
 
stopstalking said:
I’m trying to confirm that these do not cause shutdown
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They don’t......they are a nice addition to pct imo (for when you next cycle).

Gw is one everyone should make their own mind up on though (some research linked to cancer) - it’s an ongoing debate but personally I use it.
 
Whisky said:
They don’t......they are a nice addition to pct imo (for when you next cycle).

Gw is one everyone should make their own mind up on though (some research linked to cancer) - it’s an ongoing debate but personally I use it.
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Damn any certain kind of cancer ? Or just cancer In general ?
 
stopstalking said:
Damn any certain kind of cancer ? Or just cancer In general ?
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Long story short the research into it was apparently abandoned when they found it caused cancer in rats (or mice, I forget which), lots of grey areas though, the rats were fed massive doses for most of their lives, theres some stuff around the rats already being predisposed to cancer and this just accelerated it and then there’s in vitro studies on human cells that showed it to be preventative against cancer.

My personal take was that running it for a couple of months a couple of times a year was extremely unlikely to cause any issues (no more so than anything else anyway) but lots of debates on it on AM. Quick search and youll find a whole load of info on here bro.
 
Yeah GW was the one “sarm” i told myself id never use but here i am contemplating it given so many people have used it so far already and you have yet to hear any “nightmare” stories about sarms
 
GW is very unlikely to cause issues especially in the short term. It does indeed take a large span of time. A few months for a wistar rat is about 20 years for a human.
 
There’s also evidence that strongly suggests and supports the idea that it is only a cancer growth factor in rodents. There was even an Oxford University Press article on that.
 
Old Witch said:
There’s also evidence that strongly suggests and supports the idea that it is only a cancer growth factor in rodents. There was even an Oxford University Press article on that.
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Can you please post a link to this article?
 
Nope, and even aas is highly unlikely to make one unable to have a child, in fact there are people who are on gear for a year and they are still able to keep some production (while on it) and have kids. As long as people do a proper protocol it's just very unlikely.

The cancer gw is way overdone and with all due respect I'll pass talking about it anymore, I'll say this though. Gw has never shown to cause cancer, its debatable wether it enhanced growth in rats and some studies shows it could work the other way in humans.
 
Plus dude....if you do get shut down and cant knock up the missus....just give her my # and I'll do you a solid
 
Chados said:
...some studies shows it could work the other way in humans.
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*in human cells. Not in actual humans. But short term use of low doses (NMT 10mg/day for NMT 12 weeks IIRC) has been shown to be well tolerated in humans. So using it in a few cycles a year has less risk than running it year round, which is what it was going to be used for if it was approved and released as a drug. Now, you determine the risks for using it at any dose and duration, but I thought I’d clarify that one point.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
*in human cells. Not in actual humans. But short term use of low doses (NMT 10mg/day for NMT 12 weeks IIRC) has been shown to be well tolerated in humans. So using it in a few cycles a year has less risk than running it year round, which is what it was going to be used for if it was approved and released as a drug. Now, you determine the risks for using it at any dose and duration, but I thought I’d clarify that one point.
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Yeah I know, I was just quoting the study itself. According to some scientists the study in vitro might be a sign that it actually works against cancer which is fair.
 
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