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My point is that it’s easy to say let’s raise the minimum wage a lot and bring manufacturing of everything back to the US in theory, but my question is do you support this now? Nothing is stopping you from buying only US-made goods to support the policies you want with your wallet. Let the market decide where they want things made and where they want or are willing to have them made.

Can you even buy and all American smartphone? Or TV? Or car? Or T-shirt made on all American made equipment? Or apples picked with all American made farm equipment?

I think only Amish would survive lol everyone else doesn’t have a choice for the most part.
 
Can you even buy and all American smartphone? Or TV? Or car? Or T-shirt made on all American made equipment? Or apples picked with all American made farm equipment?

I think only Amish would survive lol
You can buy American made clothes if you know where to look, yeah. Made with American equipment is even another layer beyond that though; that’s PURE isolationism. Made in America with American workers is plenty lol. If they buy the equipment once for their shop from China or Mexico but are an American company in America with American workers that’s plenty to be “American” IMO. I’ll check on phones.
 
You can buy American made clothes if you know where to look, yeah. Made with American equipment is even another layer beyond that though; that’s PURE isolationism. Made in America with American workers is plenty lol. If they buy the equipment once for their shop from China or Mexico but are an American company in America with American workers that’s plenty to be “American” IMO. I’ll check on phones.

America would be losing out on alot of needed manufacturing jobs. The equipment also involves long term maintenance and parts. Also, gives potential startups an unfair advantage that American shirt companies or farms are buying cheap slave labor equipment from other countries missing out on possibly 10s of thousands of jobs.

With the shirts, I would also look into where the fabric, or the ingredients (like cotton and whatever polyester is made of) of the fabric originated from and then there is ink which if you claim American, it needs to be all American made as then there are thousands of more jobs missing out and unfair competitive advantages from ink manufacturing, materials, etc....

Anyways, I dont give a fuq, Im all free global trade lol Just putting myself in an "All American Made" shoes and trying to pick out the hypocrisy in it.

The big joke is Apples "Made in California" slogan. They couldnt even get their Mac Pro's produced in America even when they tried, they ended up sending it back to asia because they were just too damn slow here. Invalid Link Removed
 
America would be losing out on alot of needed manufacturing jobs. The equipment also involves long term maintenance and parts. Also, gives potential startups an unfair advantage that American shirt companies or farms are buying cheap slave labor equipment from other countries missing out on possibly 10s of thousands of jobs.

With the shirts, I would also look into where the fabric, or the ingredients (like cotton and whatever polyester is made of) of the fabric originated from and then there is ink which if you claim American, it needs to be all American made as then there are thousands of more jobs missing out and unfair competitive advantages from ink manufacturing, materials, etc....

Anyways, I dont give a fuq, Im all free global trade lol Just putting myself in an "All American Made" shoes and trying to pick out the hypocrisy in it.

The big joke is Apples "Made in California" slogan. They couldnt even get their Mac Pro's produced in America even when they tried, they ended up sending it back to asia because they were just too damn slow here. Invalid Link Removed
Yeah, I’m agreeing that having literally everything from America down to the very source materials and equipment is asinine. So I can’t have my ashwagandha since it’s grown overseas? ;)

But I can see the appeal in buying something made in America if you are willing to pay more for it. To each their own; just don’t try to mandate one way as the only way for the country.
 
California has one of the strongest economies in the world, let alone the US. The have like a $16 billion surplus. Most of the nations millionaires and billionaires live there. How are they communist?

Just looked up Cali, gotta day of you steal significantly the most you better have a surplus! Shockingly it’s a tiny surplus.

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Just looked up Cali, gotta day of you steal significantly the most you better have a surplus! Shockingly it’s a tiny surplus.

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I wasn't sure about iowa, but sure enough it's a blue state...not certain but I think all of those states are blue states--long day at work, to lazy to look it up.
 
ax1...you see where there is going to be a mickey Garcia vs Errol spence fight march 19?


my money is on spence, but should be a good one!!!!
 
I wasn't sure about iowa, but sure enough it's a blue state...not certain but I think all of those states are blue states--long day at work, to lazy to look it up.

If I had time Id like to look up sales tax, property tax, among other things. I know there is a huge homeless population there especially in San Fran where rent is through the roof. Anyways Cali has some good things going but its a big government ses-pool.

ax1...you see where there is going to be a mickey Garcia vs Errol spence fight march 19?


my money is on spence, but should be a good one!!!!

You know Ive been big on Mikey Garcia for a long time, but he is jumping significantly up in weight and going right into a firestorm with no experience at that weight. He is been jr. light and lightweight now skip to welterweight against a special fighter? Supposedly he is bulking up weight, but for this fight my money is on that other special fighter by the name of Spence. Im rooting for Garcia though.
 
If I had time Id like to look up sales tax, property tax, among other things. I know there is a huge homeless population there especially in San Fran where rent is through the roof. Anyways Cali has some good things going but its a big government ses-pool.



You know Ive been big on Mikey Garcia for a long time, but he is jumping significantly up in weight and going right into a firestorm with no experience at that weight. He is been jr. light and lightweight now skip to welterweight against a special fighter? Supposedly he is bulking up weight, but for this fight my money is on that other special fighter by the name of Spence. Im rooting for Garcia though.

I agree...if I were putting money down it would definitely be on spence which means I would be rooting for him 100%....no money down I would like to see mickey do well, but I've been big on spence for awhile now. mickey is definitely the underdog
 
Technically if they all became citizens and we raised the minimum wage for them and all workers to $15/hour we’d have a different problem. Similar to what we’d have if we started making all our phones and clothes in the US like some people want. Prices way up.

I could see that for residential work. The majority of subcontractors we hire for commercial have legal workers, and they mostly all make atleast $15 an hour already, aside from a few day laborers. I only have experience with very large nation-wide contractors though, which typically hold their subs to higher standards.
 
I could see that for residential work. The majority of subcontractors we hire for commercial have legal workers, and they mostly all make atleast $15 an hour already, aside from a few day laborers. I only have experience with very large nation-wide contractors though, which typically hold their subs to higher standards.
I can point you to any number of other industries that make far under $15/hour, including some fairly skilled and/or dangerous jobs. All raising minimum wage to $15 without raising the jobs currently at $15 would do is make entry level minimum wage jobs pay the same as much more skilled and/or dangerous jobs. And if you increase wages across the board, all you did is devalue savings people already have.
 
Vermin Supreme for 2020!

And thanks for paying the way for Donald Dump to win! He gets most of the credit!

 
ax1 what is your take on amazon pulling out of NY deal?


Getting billions in tax funded subsidies is a jack to the taxpayer. It’s corporate socialism. I can see why locals would bug out, cost of rent/housing will blow through the roof and drive them out or homeless. I can’t see this giving most locals nice paying jobs, no skills in the first place that means most help is from the outside reasoning housing will skyrocket. There will be ok jobs for people but maybe not enough to cover increases cost of living lol.

I would LOVE amazon to be in NY, but no corporation should be bribed tax dollars to come here. Unfortunate we will lose out on economic benefits and will lose jobs that would still be helpful to locals there.

I see it both sides, positives and negatives either way, depends who’s shoes your in I guess.
 
Getting billions in tax funded subsidies is a jack to the taxpayer. It’s corporate socialism. I can see why locals would bug out, cost of rent/housing will blow through the roof and drive them out or homeless. I can’t see this giving most locals nice paying jobs, no skills in the first place that means most help is from the outside reasoning housing will skyrocket. There will be ok jobs for people but maybe not enough to cover increases cost of living lol.

I would LOVE amazon to be in NY, but no corporation should be bribed tax dollars to come here. Unfortunate we will lose out on economic benefits and will lose jobs that would still be helpful to locals there.

I see it both sides, positives and negatives either way, depends who’s shoes your in I guess.

definitely two sides!!!

I think amazon is following in NFL footsteps...we pay for those expensive stadiums and give NFL all kinds of tax break incentives.
 
definitely two sides!!!

I think amazon is following in NFL footsteps...we pay for those expensive stadiums and give NFL all kinds of tax break incentives.

Can’t blame em, not fair but the system allows that and people vote these big government politicians in so that’s that.
 
Can’t blame em, not fair but the system allows that and people vote these big government politicians in so that’s that.

I wonder if that cortez woman is going to petition to get rid of giants/jets?


honestly I think she is a republican plant, lol.
 
time for dinner...more pig farmer wit and humor tomorrow, alek...I promise!!!

I was stuck in San Francisco again, but thankfully didn't have to leave the general area of the airport hotels. That splitting from Chicago thing isn't a new idea though. All of Cook County basically makes the state blue, while most of the rest of the state is red and usually related to agriculture in some way. Chicago has always had horrible corruption too, but that doesn't mean I trust the rest of the state to not do the same.
 
How is $16 billion a tiny surplus for a state?

State? That can mean anything like Rhode Island, lol

Hey more power to Cali, at least they arent in a deficit hope they shoot for the moons. And they should, 16 Billion can vanish real fast.

Dunno if this is a good example to put things into perspective California has a 16 Billion Surplus...little old Microsoft has 85 Billion cash on hand and Apple has some 230 Billion last time I checked. Anyways doesnt mean anything, this just comes up under all the tightly wrapped tin foil on my head.
 
State? That can mean anything like Rhode Island, lol

Hey more power to Cali, at least they arent in a deficit hope they shoot for the moons. And they should, 16 Billion can vanish real fast.

Dunno if this is a good example to put things into perspective California has a 16 Billion Surplus...little old Microsoft has 85 Billion cash on hand and Apple has some 230 Billion last time I checked. Anyways doesnt mean anything, this just comes up under all the tightly wrapped tin foil on my head.

You called the surplus tiny, so I'm asking how exactly that large of a surplus is tiny. I could very well be reading too much into the word you used. I only added "for a state" because private companies, like your comparisons which are apples to oranges, have completely different rules to getting and losing money. The reason I even brought it up in the first place was in response to bigt saying that California was a mess. I'm not a fan of the state at all, but it's easy to pick out one aspect like homelessness and say things are a mess when they excel in other fairly important aspects.
 
You called the surplus tiny, so I'm asking how exactly that large of a surplus is tiny. I could very well be reading too much into the word you used. I only added "for a state" because private companies, like your comparisons which are apples to oranges, have completely different rules to getting and losing money. The reason I even brought it up in the first place was in response to bigt saying that California was a mess. I'm not a fan of the state at all, but it's easy to pick out one aspect like homelessness and say things are a mess when they excel in other fairly important aspects.

Its just my perspective, they can have so much more if they didnt waste so much in the position they are in and with the economic prowess they have achieved. And they need to keep it up, they are 1 natural disaster away from losing it all.

Considering they have the 5th largest economy in the world surpassing the UK in a country with an atrocious deficit it does matter that they are in fact in a surplus, its an achievement even if they do have crazy high tax policies, it still worked...for the government at least. I actually didnt know they were in a surplus now.

I think saying Cali is in "a mess" is too vague. That would work well for Venezuela.
 
Speaking of celebrities and guns, what are your feelings on Trump being ok with taking guns away before due process?

I am all for it-if mental health professional signs off on it. or if arrested for a violent crime-even before trial. I believe this would be a suspension pending outcome?
 
I am all for it-if mental health professional signs off on it. or if arrested for a violent crime-even before trial. I believe this would be a suspension pending outcome?

I'd be interested to hear more debate on it, but it does seem like a tricky idea. It'd not that difficult to get an accusation especially when he's talking about before a crime even occurs. That's something that the NRA won't let slide.
 
I am all for it-if mental health professional signs off on it. or if arrested for a violent crime-even before trial. I believe this would be a suspension pending outcome?

Your ripping apart the 5th Amendment that way making people guilty until proven innocent. Why cant mental health patients have a right to defend themselves if they have never committed a crime? I think if a psychologist has a lead that he could report it to the police and they investigate them, that certainly would be fair. I would also think if the crime is really violent enough he would be behind bars awaiting trial I hope without bail.
 
I'd be interested to hear more debate on it, but it does seem like a tricky idea. It'd not that difficult to get an accusation especially when he's talking about before a crime even occurs. That's something that the NRA won't let slide.
It’s not just the NRA. What if a man accuses his (ex) wife or something, either that she threatened him or that she’s mentally unstable, and then her legal gun is taken away from her and now the abusive husband knows that his wife is unarmed and an easier target to attack. That’s very dangerous.
 
I am all for it-if mental health professional signs off on it. or if arrested for a violent crime-even before trial. I believe this would be a suspension pending outcome?
If a mental health professional deems someone such a threat that they shouldn’t own a gun, maybe they should be Baker Acted, and then it’s a moot point really, as they won’t have access to their guns while Baker Acted, but therefore also won’t need them confiscated at that time either.
 
Here in NY they officially banned school teachers from having guns just a couple weeks ago. Family members can now by law snitch their relatives out as “risk” and a judge can order guns confiscated for 1 year with renewal possibilities even if the risk is to themselves. I think if a student is a risk by a school they can take the parents guns away but I have to check if that really went through.
 
Here in NY they officially banned school teachers from having guns just a couple weeks ago. Family members can now by law snitch their relatives out as “risk” and a judge can order guns confiscated for 1 year with renewal possibilities even if the risk is to themselves. I think if a student is a risk by a school they can take the parents guns away but I have to check if that really went through.
From having them on campus or at their homes? The latter thing about snitching on children’s parents is begging for abuse to make people vulnerable and unarmed. As Thomas Jefferson quoted Cesare Beccaria, “an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.”
 
From having them on campus or at their homes? The latter thing about snitching on children’s parents is begging for abuse to make people vulnerable and unarmed. As Thomas Jefferson quoted Cesare Beccaria, “an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.”

It's from taking them to school. The gun confiscation law is most certainly going to go to the Supreme Court.
 
From having them on campus or at their homes? The latter thing about snitching on children’s parents is begging for abuse to make people vulnerable and unarmed. As Thomas Jefferson quoted Cesare Beccaria, “an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.”

If the kid is at risk the guns would be confiscated from the home and family.

They call it “red flag laws.”
 
If a mental health professional deems someone such a threat that they shouldn’t own a gun, maybe they should be Baker Acted, and then it’s a moot point really, as they won’t have access to their guns while Baker Acted, but therefore also won’t need them confiscated at that time either.



I believe it is necessary to in certain circumstances deprive the individual of rights for the good/safety of society...the law says you have to have liability insurance to protect the greater society....the law also allows you to drink alcohol with the provision you not drink and drive. it only makes sense that gun ownership should also have provisions attached.
 
Thanks, but that’s obviously not what I asked. No kid is allowed to bring a gun to school anyway. I was asking about the teacher thing lol.

Oh sorry misunderstood....the teacher is banned on campus and campus only. Before the law teachers in NY had a way of doing so, outside of NYC at least.
 
I believe it is necessary to in certain circumstances deprive the individual of rights for the good/safety of society...the law says you have to have liability insurance to protect the greater society....the law also allows you to drink alcohol with the provision you not drink and drive. it only makes sense that gun ownership should also have provisions attached.
If they are believed to pose a danger to someone to the point of taking their guns without due process, they should be Baker Acted. Problem solved. And if you’re arrested for a violent crime and they think you’re such a danger that they want to take your guns without due process, you should be in jail without bond so you can’t harm anyone. Problem solved again.

If the issue is severe enough where due process would be too time consuming and result in someone harming/killing someone, then they should be either Baker Acted or in jail without bail.

What does insurance have to do with ANY of this? Or drunk driving? Do you have to bring drunk driving into literally every discussion about anything in this thread?
 
I believe it is necessary to in certain circumstances deprive the individual of rights for the good/safety of society...the law says you have to have liability insurance to protect the greater society....the law also allows you to drink alcohol with the provision you not drink and drive. it only makes sense that gun ownership should also have provisions attached.

By a government that lists all our Veterans and potential terrorist threats? No thanks.
 
I believe it is necessary to in certain circumstances deprive the individual of rights for the good/safety of society...the law says you have to have liability insurance to protect the greater society....the law also allows you to drink alcohol with the provision you not drink and drive. it only makes sense that gun ownership should also have provisions attached.

I'm gone for one day and bigt becomes a socialist. What is happening lol. I'm glad you're open minded about it, but I feel like this can be exploited against others or even an entire group of others, depending on who happens to be in power at the time. It's such a complicated issue. I'm sick of seeing these shootings happen, but also sick of seeing people not willing to meet in the middle somewhere to help avoid at least some of them.
 
If they are believed to pose a danger to someone to the point of taking their guns without due process, they should be Baker Acted. Problem solved. And if you’re arrested for a violent crime and they think you’re such a danger that they want to take your guns without due process, you should be in jail without bond so you can’t harm anyone. Problem solved again.

If the issue is severe enough where due process would be too time consuming and result in someone harming/killing someone, then they should be either Baker Acted or in jail without bail.

What does insurance have to do with ANY of this? Or drunk driving? Do you have to bring drunk driving into literally every discussion about anything in this thread?

laws are only as good as enforcement...if they were serious about curbing drunk driving nearly every person driving out of the parking lot of a bar at closing time could be arrested. what percentage of drivers do you think don't have liability insurance?


the baker act is very rarely used, not nearly as much as it could/should be. very few people arrested even for violent crimes are held without bail.
 
I'm gone for one day and bigt becomes a socialist. What is happening lol. I'm glad you're open minded about it, but I feel like this can be exploited against others or even an entire group of others, depending on who happens to be in power at the time. It's such a complicated issue. I'm sick of seeing these shootings happen, but also sick of seeing people not willing to meet in the middle somewhere to help avoid at least some of them.
In all fairness, the school shooting in Parkland was NOT something that they would have needed to bypass due process to prevent. The local PD received dozens of calls about the shooter and never arrested him. You’d think after a dozen calls you’d do something. But the local PD has a thing/deal/policy/etc. with the local school district to not arrest students as much to make them both look better, so he didn’t show up as having any arrests. The FBI also got a tip that he was going to shoot someone before he did. That combined with arrests, if he had any, would have made due process very easy if they had wanted to take guns from him, and would also have likely kept him from being able to buy one in the first place. This wasn’t a case where we need new laws, it’s a case where current laws need to be actually enforced and followed up on.
 
laws are only as good as enforcement...if they were serious about curbing drunk driving nearly every person driving out of the parking lot of a bar at closing time could be arrested. what percentage of drivers do you think don't have liability insurance?


the baker act is very rarely used, not nearly as much as it could/should be. very few people arrested even for violent crimes are held without bail.
Except not every person at a bar drinks, and not every person would be above the BAC limit. Regardless, drunk driving is so amazingly tangential and irrelevant to the discussion of GUNS AND DUE PROCESS it’s amazing how you could even bring it up.

And what’s your point? Either someone is a clear danger and should be held, or they’re not a clear danger and shouldn’t have their right to own a gun taken away without due process.

And the Second Amendment is a right. Drinking is irrelevant to this topic.
 
I'm gone for one day and bigt becomes a socialist. What is happening lol. I'm glad you're open minded about it, but I feel like this can be exploited against others or even an entire group of others, depending on who happens to be in power at the time. It's such a complicated issue. I'm sick of seeing these shootings happen, but also sick of seeing people not willing to meet in the middle somewhere to help avoid at least some of them.

I apply the same logic here that I applied to deciding against capital punishment...better to see someone's gun rights be exploited than to see some crazy shoot up another school.


sometimes the greater good is what drives my thinking, not always but in certain cases.
 
I apply the same logic here that I applied to deciding against capital punishment...better to see someone's gun rights be exploited than to see some crazy shoot up another school.


sometimes the greater good is what drives my thinking, not always but in certain cases.
Except that the number of crimes that could be committed by exploiting this proposed idea, and the number of potentially innocent victims of crime you’d create could absolutely dwarf the number of shootings you’d prevent. Not to mention that a party in power could use it on a mass scale to deprive entire groups of people of their constitutional rights without due process. It’s a terrible idea.

Either you pose a threat and shouldn’t be free to roam the streets, or you don’t. Just because current laws aren’t properly enforced doesn’t mean we need new ones that are absolutely ripe for abuse.
 
Except not every person at a bar drinks, and not every person would be above the BAC limit. Regardless, drunk driving is so amazingly tangential and irrelevant to the discussion of GUNS AND DUE PROCESS it’s amazing how you could even bring it up.

And what’s your point? Either someone is a clear danger and should be held, or they’re not a clear danger and shouldn’t have their right to own a gun taken away without due process.

And the Second Amendment is a right. Drinking is irrelevant to this topic.

21st amendment.


ok...if someone commits a violent crime and is given a bail hearing, is gun ownership even a subject that is questioned-I will give you the answer-no it is not....how about making bail for certain violent crimes conditional to temporary suspension of gun ownership.
 
21st amendment.


ok...if someone commits a violent crime and is given a bail hearing, is gun ownership even a subject that is questioned-I will give you the answer-no it is not....how about making bail for certain violent crimes conditional to temporary suspension of gun ownership.
As part of a bail agreement, perhaps. But allowing one “mental health professional” to do it without due process, absolutely not. Better not piss off your therapist lol.

And all the 21st Amendment is repeal the 18th, which never should have existed to begin with. Comparing that to an Amendment in the Bill of Rights is asinine.
 
In all fairness, the school shooting in Parkland was NOT something that they would have needed to bypass due process to prevent. The local PD received dozens of calls about the shooter and never arrested him. You’d think after a dozen calls you’d do something. But the local PD has a thing/deal/policy/etc. with the local school district to not arrest students as much to make them both look better, so he didn’t show up as having any arrests. The FBI also got a tip that he was going to shoot someone before he did. That combined with arrests, if he had any, would have made due process very easy if they had wanted to take guns from him, and would also have likely kept him from being able to buy one in the first place. This wasn’t a case where we need new laws, it’s a case where current laws need to be actually enforced and followed up on.

Mass shootings are always going to exist unless guns are magically banished from this world. That's just reality and I'm not saying new laws will stop all. I'm asking because I honestly don't remember and currently trying to get a job done too so couldn't do a search, but were his arrests ever made into felony convictions? Otherwise, they couldn't do anything then either. If somebody is simply the town ******* or crazy dude, they still have constitutional rights no matter how many times they get pulled in for minor stuff.
 
21st amendment.


ok...if someone commits a violent crime and is given a bail hearing, is gun ownership even a subject that is questioned-I will give you the answer-no it is not....how about making bail for certain violent crimes conditional to temporary suspension of gun ownership.

Bail reform is already a hot topic. Adding in guns, even as temporary suspension, could be a really bad thing. I think it could be a good idea, but there is a huge potential for abuse there.
 
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