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ax1 said:
They can be regulated, what people want to do in their own home or private business isn’t anybody else’s business.
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everything can be regulated...if you can't do it in public it is regulated!!!
 
thebigt said:
everything can be regulated...if you can't do it in public it is regulated!!!
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We’re suggesting legalizing them, not making them unregulated man. Alcohol is legal, but regulated. Cigarettes are legal, but regulated. Who is suggesting unregulated legalization of drugs? This is so stupid, you’re arguing things no one has even came close to saying.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I just showed you the quote you told me you answered them in, and there’s literally no mention of prohibition or gun bans...

Are you sure you have 21 years sober? You seem like you’re on drugs now...

If I’m missing it, post it again or explain it better.

And inane is a more apt description than insane now that I think of it.

The only thing “blowing in the wind” is your hot air...
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look at your part of the post...I answered right next to the question, geez!!!

dense, yes that's the word I am looking for:chairfall:
 
muscleupcrohn said:
We’re suggesting legalizing them, not making them unregulated man. Alcohol is legal, but regulated. Cigarettes are legal, but regulated. Who is suggesting unregulated legalization of drugs? This is so stupid, you’re arguing things no one has even came close to saying.
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we were hypothetically discussing legalizing drugs...the problem being WHAT regulations would need to be imposed.
 
thebigt said:
look at your part of the post...I answered right next to the question, geez!!!

dense, yes that's the word I am looking for:chairfall:
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So what were your answers then? The post you claimed answered it did not even address it.

If I’m dense, you’re a freaking black hole...
 
thebigt said:
we were hypothetically discussing legalizing drugs...the problem being WHAT regulations would need to be imposed.
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The same ones as on alcohol to start? 21 to buy/use. No use in public. No driving under the influence. No use on the job.

The only issue I see is if they are harder to test for if you’re under the influence. Alcohol works easily via blood; things like marijuana don’t. But surely we can develop better testing methods in the future. I can compromise to not legalizing things until we can accurately test for them.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
No s**t. You cant drink in the library... this is getting really dumb. That doesn’t mean it should be banned for use period. You can’t have sex in the library; is there a sex ban? Your logic is terrible here...

And if drugs were legalized, dealers would disappear over time. Look at prohibition, which you still haven’t answered me about. Once it ended, the organized crime syndicates that sold it illegally stopped selling it illegally. You don’t see the mafia selling alcohol anymore, do you?
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The mafia quit selling booze because after prohibition was repealed, the price of alcohol was cheap again and the mafia couldn't make enough profit on it.
When you legalize something, you risk a price war with the black market. Marijuana is a great example, I live in California where marijuana is legal to buy from licensed stores for adults 21+; but I still see news reports of unlicensed marijuana stores that buy and sell their product illegally at lower prices than licensed shops can and often times, their marijuana isn't even sourced from legal sources, so it's essentially an upper middle class friendly dealer.
Another good example of legalization not stopping the black market is cigarettes. Cigarettes sold with no tax stamps or fake tax stamps is big illicit business in states where tobacco taxes are high enough that illegal cigarettes are very profitable.
 
Anabaholic said:
The mafia quit selling booze because after prohibition was repealed, the price of alcohol was cheap again and the mafia couldn't make enough profit on it.
When you legalize something, you risk a price war with the black market. Marijuana is a great example, I live in California where marijuana is legal to buy from licensed stores for adults 21+; but I still see news reports of unlicensed marijuana stores that buy and sell their product illegally at lower prices than licensed shops can and often times, their marijuana isn't even sourced from legal sources, so it's essentially an upper middle class friendly dealer.
Another good example of legalization not stopping the black market is cigarettes. Cigarettes sold with no tax stamps or fake tax stamps is big illicit business in states where tobacco taxes are high enough that illegal cigarettes are very profitable.
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So the issue with cigarettes is that the sin tax, designed to inherently penalize or prevent use, is preventing people from buying it? Maybe just tax it normally, and not impose a sin tax on it. These are good points though.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
The same ones as on alcohol to start? 21 to buy/use. No use in public. No driving under the influence. No use on the job.

The only issue I see is if they are harder to test for if you’re under the influence. Alcohol works easily via blood; things like marijuana don’t. But surely we can develop better testing methods in the future. I can compromise to not legalizing things until we can accurately test for them.
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we are getting closer to common ground. I agree with whoever said that if we were to legalize drugs the punishment for related law breaking should be more severe than existing laws on alcohol, I think laws on alcohol should be stiffened up also, 2nd offense dui should carry mandatory 2 year sentence, at least!!!

agreed?
 
thebigt said:
we are getting closer to common ground. I agree with whoever said that if we were to legalize drugs the punishment for related law breaking should be more severe than existing laws on alcohol, I think laws on alcohol should be stiffened up also, 2nd offense dui should carry mandatory 2 year sentence, at least!!!

agreed?
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I’m pretty sure I have repeatedly said that anyone who commits a crime (like a DUI) while on drugs more than once should be locked up for a long time.

My entire philosophy is that you should be free to do or not do what you want, as long as it doesn’t infringe on my right to do or not do what I want.

So you want to smoke pot, smoke pot. But if you drive high and crash into someone, you deprived them of their safety, and should be severely penalized.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
So the issue with cigarettes is that the sin tax, designed to inherently penalize or prevent use, is preventing people from buying it? Maybe just tax it normally, and not impose a sin tax on it. These are good points though.
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also, what he is saying is that something that is legal such as cigarettes have gotten taxed so high that it has created a black market....same argument I made about taxes on drugs getting so high it would be cheaper to buy from dealer.
 
You want to snort coke off a hooker’s ass? If she’s of legal age and consents, and you do it in the privacy of your home, so be it. But don’t go and drive after it, and don’t do it in public. It’s quite simple really haha.
 
thebigt said:
also, what he is saying is that something that is legal such as cigarettes have gotten taxed so high that it has created a black market....same argument I made about taxes on drugs getting so high it would be cheaper to buy from dealer.
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So tax them normally, not an exorbitant sin tax.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
So the issue with cigarettes is that the sin tax, designed to inherently penalize or prevent use, is preventing people from buying it? Maybe just tax it normally, and not impose a sin tax on it. These are good points though.
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Yeah, there has to be a balance somewhere. Expensive enough that people don't try it on a whim, but cheap enough that you don't incentivize illegal sales.
 
Anabaholic said:
Yeah, there has to be a balance somewhere. Expensive enough that people don't try it on a whim, but cheap enough that you don't incentivize illegal sales.
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I think the inherent concept of sin taxes is wrong. If the only thing keeping an 18 year old from trying a cigarette in 2019 is the high tax on them, they should enter the contest for a Darwin Award.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I think the inherent concept of sin taxes is wrong. If the only thing keeping an 18 year old from trying a cigarette in 2019 is the high tax on them, they should enter the contest for a Darwin Award.
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I agree. But sustainability of cost will always be a factor, hopefully among many considered pros and cons.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I think the inherent concept of sin taxes is wrong. If the only thing keeping an 18 year old from trying a cigarette in 2019 is the high tax on them, they should enter the contest for a Darwin Award.
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I agree...BUT.... I am really curious what licensing fees are for stores that sell pot in legalized states, and how much if any SIN tax is applied?
 
looks like an additional 15% excise tax is the norm for pot sales atm...plus the usual tax from grower selling to retailer, taxes collected at both ends of course, and then additional state sales tax.
 
thebigt said:
what does your pm wife think, lol.
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Just asked my “PM” wife, she is kinda in the middle of both our ideas but she does think we both have good intentions.

She did also just tell me she thinks if drugs were legal the youth would lose some interest.
 
ax1 said:
Just asked my “PM” wife, she is kinda in the middle of both our ideas but she does think we both have good intentions.

She did also just tell me she thinks if drugs were legal the youth would lose some interest.
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She wanted me to be sure to add that youth loses interest because there is somewhat an attraction to doing illegal vices. The idea of being “bad” and “illegal” is somewhat cooler to kids which is something I personally can relate to what she is saying.
 
thebigt said:
looks like an additional 15% excise tax is the norm for pot sales atm...plus the usual tax from grower selling to retailer, taxes collected at both ends of course, and then additional state sales tax.
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Then additional income tax revenue on top of it all from the dealers/shops.
 
speaking of alcohol...when my ship went on a med/nato/west pac cruise, we could purchase 1 gallon of duty free[excise tax] booze...it brought the price down to about half of what it would normally be...I suspect that the 15% now imposed on pot will go up substantially.


btw-most of the crew onboard the aircraft carrier I was on lived on board the ship...when the ship came back to home port we were able to pick up our gallon of booze on the way off ship-the local hotels got pretty much destroyed during these escapades, but we had to give military ID's to get hotel rooms and the ship guaranteed payment for damages by way of docking our pay...back then if you wanted to play, you had to pay, lol.
 
thebigt said:
speaking of alcohol...when my ship went on a med/nato/west pac cruise, we could purchase 1 gallon of duty free[excise tax] booze...it brought the price down to about half of what it would normally be...I suspect that the 15% now imposed on pot will go up substantially.


btw-most of the crew onboard the aircraft carrier I was on lived on board the ship...when the ship came back to home port we were able to pick up our gallon of booze on the way off ship-the local hotels got pretty much destroyed during these escapades, but we had to give military ID's to get hotel rooms and the ship guaranteed payment for damages by way of docking our pay...back then if you wanted to play, you had to pay, lol.
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Damn, if only you all had iphones back then, would love to see how the scene looked those days!
 
ax1 said:
Damn, if only you all had iphones back then, would love to see how the scene looked those days!
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5,000 sailors leaving a ship with a gallon of booze apiece and can't bring it back on ship...can you picture bathtubs full of booze?


our favorite motel was surfside about 5 miles outside of Norfolk naval base...we would pile up 6 or 7 mattresses in the parking lot and dive from 3rd floor, I almost missed a few times, lol. probably a good thing we didn't have cell phones back then, It wasn't pretty, lol.
 
"They Shall Not Grow Old" is an absolutely incredible documentary, I cannot believe how they bought WWI back to life in high quality and real life motion. I highly recommend it to those who appreciate good documentaries. I highly recommend watching it in 3D and also staying after the credits for the bonus footage.

I really hope they restore all old footage like this and learn from Peter Jackson, I give this movie a 10+!
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I'm waiting for more of the story since even this headline doesn't fit with their story. From the last paragraphs hidden at the bottom, it sounds like the mom has been harassing this other person for a while so it wasn't just a one time comment leading to an arrest as the title claims.
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I also would like more information to see if the story is accurate. That said, I have seen legitimate instances of British police departments saying that they take online misgendering and/or transphobic comments seriously, often to the point of lunacy. I agree that if you habitually and repeatedly target one person on their personal profile it can be harassment, but if you just say something as a general response I don’t think that warrants legal action. But can’t you block people on social media? Wouldn’t that have ended the issue without police involvement?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I also would like more information to see if the story is accurate. That said, I have seen legitimate instances of British police departments saying that they take online misgendering and/or transphobic comments seriously, often to the point of lunacy. I agree that if you habitually and repeatedly target one person on their personal profile it can be harassment, but if you just say something as a general response I don’t think that warrants legal action. But can’t you block people on social media? Wouldn’t that have ended the issue without police involvement?
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I thought the story alleges that she started several accounts. I had an ex who kept making new email addresses every time I blocked the last one. Also, it's possible she wasn't messaging her directly and was saying things about her online. Regardless, I'll wait until the whole story comes out.
 
lol...if I have feathers implanted on my shoulders can I sue someone for refusing to call me a bird?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I thought the story alleges that she started several accounts. I had an ex who kept making new email addresses every time I blocked the last one. Also, it's possible she wasn't messaging her directly and was saying things about her online. Regardless, I'll wait until the whole story comes out.
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We will see I guess. I’m not going to pass judgment until we know the whole story. But I have seen times where PC has gone too far; like the guy who made the stupid joke where he taught his pug to do the Nazi salute and almost got sent to jail for it. I’m Jewish and I think that’s insane. I think now it’s just a big fine, but I think he’s fighting even that.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
We will see I guess. I’m not going to pass judgment until we know the whole story. But I have seen times where PC has gone too far; like the guy who made the stupid joke where he taught his pug to do the Nazi salute and almost got sent to jail for it. I’m Jewish and I think that’s insane. I think now it’s just a big fine, but I think he’s fighting even that.
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I think anti-Semitism should be considered every bit as bad as hate for any other group...unacceptable!!!
 
gotta love that occasio cortez woman...best thing that ever happened for republicans!!!
 
thebigt said:
gotta love that occasio cortez woman...best thing that ever happened for republicans!!!
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She gives another reason to have voters vote for them based on fear rather than voters for voting for the right guy to do the job, which would happen to be me :)
 
ax1 said:
She gives another reason to have voters vote for them based on fear rather than voters for voting for the right guy to do the job, which would happen to be me :)
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you mean occasio cortez is the new Hillary?
 
thebigt said:
you mean occasio cortez is the new Hillary?
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Pretty much. If Trump ran against literally anyone else he would have lost. Hillary was the best thing for the Republicans. But AOC seems to be taking heat even from other Democrats now, as she’s making it just too easy, so we’ll see if she becomes the next star of the party or fades into obscurity a la Sarah Palin for the Republicans. Except AOC makes Palin look like a rocket surgeon.

I want to see a Pocahontas/Spartacus ticket for the Democrats in 2020.
 
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