S7 vs Vaso6?
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The Solution
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Let Olympus labs complete their write up on No Mercy with the details on the ingredient
Buy it, test it, form a hypothesis on how it works for you in multiple different scenarios and conditions (fed, fasted, training with different amount of carbs pre-workout etc)
take notes and see what you feel and think and make a conclusion.
That is the only way to compare this ingredient to others on the market. Until we get more information nobody can draw a conclusion or come up with how it compares to X or Y for pumps , NO etc.
Everyone will respond different like we can say for any ingredient, product , or formula on the market.
aaronuconn
Well-known member
It isn’t in any products yet. And No Mercy will have S7 and Vaso6. So unless someone puts it out as a single ingredient (looking at SNS), it may be a minute before we know how it is as a standalone.
The Solution
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Ape McGrapes
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I'm just curious what seven ingredients make up S7. Futureceuticals doesn't list that info on their site, only that an effective dose is as low as 50mg.
rowz4broz
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Each ingredient is at 50mgs or the total of the 7 equals 50?
jameschoi
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S7 should rock you up if you are doing lifting and cardio.
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What they discovered was the leg that had been subjected to both cardio and strength training was noticeably bigger than the leg that performed strength training alone. Objectively results revealed the vastus lateralis had increased by 17% in size in the cardio-strength trained leg compared to 9% in the strength-trained leg. Furthermore, the volume of the quadriceps femoris had increased by 14% in the cardio-strength trained leg compared to 8% in the strength-trained leg.”
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What they discovered was the leg that had been subjected to both cardio and strength training was noticeably bigger than the leg that performed strength training alone. Objectively results revealed the vastus lateralis had increased by 17% in size in the cardio-strength trained leg compared to 9% in the strength-trained leg. Furthermore, the volume of the quadriceps femoris had increased by 14% in the cardio-strength trained leg compared to 8% in the strength-trained leg.”
GHopkins
Member
I am not seeing anything earth shattering. These are common staples that are only interesting now because of the hype. What am I missing? Is there wild synergy that was discovered?
My doubt level just went up.
banjobounce
Active member
Most of these are ingredients that I have and intentionally avoid around training.
Ricky10
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aaronuconn
Well-known member
Semi-relevant: With that much glycerol, how would you even know how well S7 is performing?
jtmass
Well-known member
Agree
GHopkins
Member
After reviewing the ingredients of this supplement, I would say S7 is not an NO booster. My take is it would be anti-ox support for taking 23 grams of glycerol. It would keep the sugar somewhat more stable to suck all the water into muscle. So technically it would be a pump booster. I would not consider it an NO booster. This is an educated hypothesis, without testing first hand.
Hater comments welcomed. If you can show me something where I am wrong, I will buy the new supplement and report back.
aaronuconn
Well-known member
Please go on about the sugar stabilization, water being sucked in to muscle effects of S7.
And yes, it’s a NO booster.
Anyways, what I meant is you wouldn’t even be able to notice any other pump like effects after consuming that much glycerol
Yep, exactly
GHopkins
Member
I have read it and don't believe it. Until I see the studies, I am casting doubt. Because of my posts above, I will pre-order and give this a run in the gym. That will be the true test of the metal.
Gloves thrown down.
Jiigzz
Legend
They quoted it but didn't cite it; anyone got a link to the FT?
I think it sounds good TBH. Just like to read more
Jiigzz
Legend
Ah, it may not be available yet. No doubt it'll be circulated once it is
Olympus Labs
Well-known member
The raws just literally passed QC my friend and shipped undoubtful they took it from futureceuticals lab and just magically had them drop into their products.
We haven't even released our profile for NO mercy. Product was in development for over a year with research, flavors, formulations, and then custom flavoring which takes months to develop and manufacture.
Olympus Labs
Well-known member
Guys there is no skepticism with human studied CLINICALLY validated ingredients. This is not rat studies converted to human doses and hoping for the best. These are VALIDATED claims.
jtmass
Well-known member
Usually OL is the first to get a novel ingredients in a supp. This time someone beat you to it. That’s all.
Ape McGrapes
Well-known member
While I hold no feeling any which way about S7, isn't there more to a study than "human trial?" Who paid for the study, who conducted it, what methods were used, trial size, etc.
I look forward to more info and the release of No Mercy. Hoping for the best.
Jiigzz
Legend
I wouldnt be overly concerned with who funded it, but rather who conducted it. The validity of the study comes down to the honesty of the person who conducted the trials/ set them up moreso than the person who funded it.
With something like S7, the people who would be willing to fund a human trial would be the people most likely to profit from it, otherwise nobody would fund it.
A human trial is an excellent start, and it may bring forward more trials to test their validity in the future.
thebigt
Legend
you are the most optimistic[glass is half full] guy on this forum....not that it's a bad thing, just kind of rare these days when people are always thinking the worst about almost everything....I know i am guilty of this.
don't change-we need more optimistic people!!!
Jiigzz
Legend
Thanks BigT!
GHopkins
Member
Months for flavoring??? Any chance of a beta release with out the flavoring? I understand the light weights need the flavors. But I don't care if it tastes like ass, if it works like you claim.
carguy123
Active member
When they released the first batch of Re1gn some people torched them on the flavor, I dont blame them for taking their time after that. As long as it is drinkable I am cool, but taste seems to a bigger factor now more than ever.
ValiantThor08
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Are they extracts of each of the ingredients?
muscleupcrohn
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Unless the serving size is absolutely massive, or this is the most remarkable synergy of all time, I’d imagine they’re extracts; most of them at least.
ValiantThor08
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50mg seems so minute for 7 ingredients to have a tangible effect in people that are fit.
GHopkins
Member
If you spend some time on Pubmed, you see what they are gong for. Anti oxidants that are just enough to stop radical oxygen from combining with NO to nullify it. Too much and it will bind to the NO and reduce the effect. It is a difficult balance to hit with probably an inverted u response curve. Double the does and reduce the results. They sound confident enough to keep me interested.
I guess we will have to wait for the strawberry margarita with a twist of lime flavoring research before we can give it a run.
ValiantThor08
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From what I have read, 1g of ascorbic acid in the pre workout does the same thing. And some pump pre workouts add ascorbic acid for that reason. I'm interested in seeing how this will work out, but vit c is extremely cheap.
GHopkins
Member
I tried it and found it hurt more than it helped. I am not sure what the reason was. The pubmed article did say it was for bioflavnoid anti-oxidants that had the effect. Perhaps they are more specific in their actions.
thebigt
Legend
youngsters today are spoiled, even the bad tasting stuff out today tastes great compared to the stuff of yesterday.
VO2Maxima
Active member
Yes of course, we don't just use powdered whole broccoli and kale etc. We extract for actives, everything is standardized. So while the list doesn't *look* earth shattering, just be patient until we are able to release more information and you get your hands on it.
poison
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What's an effective dose of finasteride? B12?
GHopkins
Member
Start your own thread. And stay away from that stuff.
poison
Board Sponsor
Simmer down.
I'm referring to the statement of '50mg seems minute for it to be effective'. Minute quantities of some substances can have hugely profound effects, like finasteride. A useful dose of astragin is 25-50mg or so.
Get it?
ValiantThor08
Board Sponsor
Took me a while to get your post lol. But I did. I understand b12 and finasteride use minute doses to illicit an effect. My thought is this is 7 different ingredients, making up 50mg, and the extracts are from vegetables, rather than an individual vitamin or compound. Even vaso 6 uses 300mg.
poison
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Know what's crazy? A single microscopic anthrax spore can kill a monkey. Viagra is an extremely effective pump agent, and a typical dose is 50mg.
Some things take more, some less. Just because it's from plants doesn't mean it's not potent.
GHopkins
Member
I cheated and tried some bioflavonoid anti-oxidant pre-workout. I had some tart cherry and pomegranate on hand. It had a positive effect on the pump. I had my doubts but the capability is real. And this was without fancy extracts or testing for the correct dose. How long before this product is rolled out again?