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FIRST CYCLE HELP

Smithaj94

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I’m looking at running a 10week cycle of test 400.

I’ve done plenty of reasearch n almost ready to go in a few weeks time just want to make one last check I’ve got everything right.

I’ll be pinning 1.5ml a week 0.75 Tuesday 0.75 Friday.

12.5mg EOD of arimidex.

I’ve got a liver and organ cycle support, animal pak vitamins, high calorie diet all in order after years of boxing always had a clean good diet and strict training plan, stopped the boxing 18month who due to work and started at the gym, always boxed light so was 61kg 12 months ago now 74kg 5”6 and hit abit of a wall.

Also go nolvadex, hcg and clomid on hand.

Is there anything I’m missing also should I change anything, any help is much appreciated. Also age 25
 
Smithaj94 said:
I’m looking at running a 10week cycle of test 400.

I’ve done plenty of reasearch n almost ready to go in a few weeks time just want to make one last check I’ve got everything right.

I’ll be pinning 1.5ml a week 0.75 Tuesday 0.75 Friday.

12.5mg EOD of arimidex.

I’ve got a liver and organ cycle support, animal pak vitamins, high calorie diet all in order after years of boxing always had a clean good diet and strict training plan, stopped the boxing 18month who due to work and started at the gym, always boxed light so was 61kg 12 months ago now 74kg 5”6 and hit abit of a wall.

Also go nolvadex, hcg and clomid on hand.

Is there anything I’m missing also should I change anything, any help is much appreciated. Also age 25
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Well, at 163lbs, 600mg Test is certainly (more than) enough for a first cycle.
 
Smithaj94 said:
So how much would you recommend??
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Well, I'm interested in seeing other input on this.
...I really don't think that you're too far off of what I'd recommend.
Some guys might recommend a weaker first cycle. A lot recommend 500mg (which you're close to). .... I'd probably tend to recommend 500.
.... But I think some other guys might have a lot to add here...
Good work on doing some research beforehand.
 
Smithaj94 said:
I’m looking at running a 10week cycle of test 400.

I’ve done plenty of reasearch n almost ready to go in a few weeks time just want to make one last check I’ve got everything right.

I’ll be pinning 1.5ml a week 0.75 Tuesday 0.75 Friday.

12.5mg EOD of arimidex.

I’ve got a liver and organ cycle support, animal pak vitamins, high calorie diet all in order after years of boxing always had a clean good diet and strict training plan, stopped the boxing 18month who due to work and started at the gym, always boxed light so was 61kg 12 months ago now 74kg 5”6 and hit abit of a wall.

Also go nolvadex, hcg and clomid on hand.

Is there anything I’m missing also should I change anything, any help is much appreciated. Also age 25
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For clarity bro, do you have adex or aromisin (exem).

If you have arimidex then 12.5mg eod is way way too high, more like 0.5 eod.

12.5eod is a standard aromisin dosage.....

Agree with Renew on test dosage
 
Ok thanks for that, I’m not in a rush to start this cycle I want to make sure I know everything, so I appreciate it, I might just start of with 1ml a week across the 2 days and see how it goes. I don’t have any but I can quite easy get hold of some Adex what doseage would you recommend on that ?
 
Smithaj94 said:
Ok thanks for that, I’m not in a rush to start this cycle I want to make sure I know everything, so I appreciate it, I might just start of with 1ml a week across the 2 days and see how it goes. I don’t have any but I can quite easy get hold of some Adex what doseage would you recommend on that ?
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Ai useage is individual so until you’ve run a few cycles it’s a bit trial and error. In my opinion it’s better to start too low and adjust up than crash your estro. Some people don’t need anything at all on 500mg test

I waited a couple of weeks (just finished my first test cycle) and then started Adex at 0.5 eod. Had some bloat but no gyno.

Lots of people will say not to use it until high estro sides show up on a first run bro.....
 
Smithaj94 said:
That’s where I’ve got confused it is 0.5 so if I get the Aromasin should I drop the arimidrx ??
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You can use either (don’t use both) - they are both decent ai’s. I’ve tried both and probably prefer asin but you’ll be fine with either. Just dose the Adex correctly.
 
I've got a couple cycles under my belt now. If I were to do my first cycle over again it would be this.

500mg test a week split into 2 doses a week for 12 weeks. 40mg a day of tbol for first 5 weeks. 0.5 mg of arimidex each day of shot. For a total of 1 mg of arimidex a week. If high estrogen sides appear increase dose by 0.5 mg a week, if low estrogen symptoms decrease by 0.5mg a week.

That's how I would do it again if I could. Happy first cycle brother.
 
Is your Test 150mg/ml? I'm confused about the dosage.
If it's 400mg/week, I would honestly just up it to 500 a week. I wouldn't run any less than 500mg/week for a cycle. 500 should be a good first cycle.

What ester are you running? Cypionate, Enanthate, Propionate?

I assume you mean Aromasin (exemestane) and not Arimidex? 12.5 EOD sounds about right for 400-500. You can always up it. You want to increase it very slightly with Aromasin because it's a suicide inhibitor. If you crash your estrogen on that stuff, you're gonna be feeling like **** for a long time until the enzymes build back up. Arimidex dosage would be more like .5 EOD or maybe 2mg a week.

I would think about upping the cycle length to at least 12 weeks, maybe even 16. Test cycles can be longer because they're much safer and they don't shut you down as quickly as other compounds. Also, Test is going to take over a month to fully kick in. You'll notice changes early but all the real strength and size starts to show up at 6 or 8 weeks for me. Don't do 10 weeks, especially if you're not using Propionate.

Run the HCG the whole time of your cycle to keep your natural production of testosterone up. It'll make for a much quicker recover after the cycle. 500iu twice a week should be enough. Discontinue the HCG 2 weeks after your cycle ends. You might not even need the Nolva and Clomid if you have HCG.

I also agree with the guys above. Start very low on the AI and only increase if you get bloated and other estrogen sides. You'll be able to feel sides way before gyno appears if you're paying attention.
 
You think it would be worth throwing some dbol in as well then or just stick to the test and see how I react to that ?
 
Stick with the Test for the first 8-12 of your 12-16 week cycle and see where that gets you. You can always throw Dbol in the last 4 weeks as a kicker. Remember that you're going to need to up the AI with Dbol though.
 
Smithaj94 said:
You think it would be worth throwing some dbol in as well then or just stick to the test and see how I react to that ?
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I'm sure there are a lot of different views on this, so gather all of them and choose what you think is best for you.

Personally I wouldn't run dbol with my first cycle because of the increased estrogen sides. You don't know how your body is going to aramotize the test in your body and could cause you a nightmare trying to dial in.

That's why I recommended tbol because the sides are almost non existent for most, it's pretty mild side effect wise. Also if you decide to run any oral I would defintaley use it at the beginning as a "kickstart" as we call it. Test cyp or enanthate has a longer half life so it takes 4 or 5 weeks for your test levels to peak on a given dose, the oral will help make progress until then.
 
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