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EQ and long recovery

Jinsun

Jinsun

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Never ran EQ before, but looking to add it to a cycle. I am a bit confused though... EQ has such a long half life, that even at a dose of 500mg's, 2 weeks after last pin, there is still 50% of it in your blood serum. For PCT to start, you would thus need to wait at least 4 weeks if not 6 ... This are really long cycles of 16 to 20 weeks then. How was your PCT after EQ and how long did you wait after last pin?

Here is a graph of EQ's release. First week front load 1700mg's and then 500mg's/week after that. It takes FOR EVER for EQ to clear out!
As you can see, at week 2 after last pin, there is still 50% EQ in serum.

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I can’t speak to my pct with is as like I’ve said before I was inadvertently b&c because I didn’t know **** about ester clearance.
 
Old Witch said:
Yessir. Undecylenate ester. This is why some choose bold cyp.
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Yeah I get that, but why would anybody use undec vs cyp then? Also, can't remember when was the last time I even saw cyp anywhere ... Doesn't seem like most sources carry it.
 
Your best bet is to run it and stop with it 2 weeks before you stop with your test (should be cypionate or enanthate). So, in mean time while ester is going out, you still have test in you.
 
Alchemist11 said:
Your best bet is to run it and stop with it 2 weeks before you stop with your test (should be cypionate or enanthate). So, in mean time while ester is going out, you still have test in you.
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And assuming test was cypionate, that means stopping EQ 4 weeks before PCT. I would rather stop 6 weeks before as at 4 weeks you still have (depending on the dose) a lot of EQ in you... Either way, it makes little sense to run EQ imo
 
Jinsun said:
And assuming test was cypionate, that means stopping EQ 4 weeks before PCT. I would rather stop 6 weeks before as at 4 weeks you still have (depending on the dose) a lot of EQ in you... Either way, it makes little sense to run EQ imo
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No, that means stopping EQ 5 weeks before the PCT. And if you are that much concerned about PCT with it, you can always taper down the dosage for last 2 weeks of running EQ. Did EQ for 16 weeks, test E for 18, started pct 2,5 weeks after last test injection, recoverd fine. No ED, no deppression, mood swings...
 
Alchemist11 said:
No, that means stopping EQ 5 weeks before the PCT. And if you are that much concerned about PCT with it, you can always taper down the dosage for last 2 weeks of running EQ. Did EQ for 16 weeks, test E for 18, started pct 2,5 weeks after last test injection, recoverd fine. No ED, no deppression, mood swings...
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Tnx for sharing.

Yeah, that's a long cycle...
 
Jinsun said:
Never ran EQ before, but looking to add it to a cycle. I am a bit confused though... EQ has such a long half life, that even at a dose of 500mg's, 2 weeks after last pin, there is still 50% of it in your blood serum. For PCT to start, you would thus need to wait at least 4 weeks if not 6 ... This are really long cycles of 16 to 20 weeks then. How was your PCT after EQ and how long did you wait after last pin?

Here is a graph of EQ's release. First week front load 1700mg's and then 500mg's/week after that. It takes FOR EVER for EQ to clear out!
As you can see, at week 2 after last pin, there is still 50% EQ in serum.

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In my experience eq alone is not very suppressive and while the levels drop off slowly total testosterone also starts to come back up as the eq troughs off.

Stopping eq 2 weeks prior is plenty as most test (e and c) are going to take time to clear anyhow.

Eq really isnt a strong steroid. Its good for collagen synthesis, nutrient partitioning some (little) lean gains and,a ton of vascularity. It will also allow you to eat more for about 50% of users.

I ran a cycle once when I was younger and stopped the test before eq and it really wasnt a problem... Except for that one time I was pounding this girl from the back and went soft haha 21 years old and like wtf. It was the lack of test. Everything recovered just fine. The knowledge we have today I just didnt know about 20 years ago lol
 
Undecylate is also known as undecanoate. This is the same ester used for Nebido and Aveed in TRT preparations. The carrier oil, concentration per mL, and total volume also affects the clearance rates, hence castor oil for the TRT preparations. All the doses in the picture were equivalent in total steroid administered but the higher concentration, lower volume injections released faster.

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bad rad said:
Undecylate is also known as undecanoate. This is the same ester used for Nebido and Aveed in TRT preparations. The carrier oil, concentration per mL, and total volume also affects the clearance rates, hence castor oil for the TRT preparations. All the doses in the picture were equivalent in total steroid administered but the higher concentration, lower volume injections released faster.

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Nice one. Any info on the concentrations used in the study? EQ is usually 300mg/ml...
 
The total steroid dose was 100mg in all concentrations and esters. Something to consider, if you are mixing EQ with something else in the syringe then the concentration is going to drop and slow the release too.
 
Last time I used eq I cut it at week 20 and started winny the same week, ran winny 5 weeks and started pct. 2 weeks past stopping the eq and test I started hcg and stopped that first week of pct. Funny this question came up the same day I find my old cycle log from 2015 lol
 
Jinsun said:
Nice one. Any info on the concentrations used in the study? EQ is usually 300mg/ml...
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No steroid is usually 300mg/ml. That's a trait of underground labs the last 10 years. The high quality stuff for most drugs is100-250 mg/ml
 
bad rad said:
The total steroid dose was 100mg in all concentrations and esters. Something to consider, if you are mixing EQ with something else in the syringe then the concentration is going to drop and slow the release too.
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Hm... I understood that the total dose was the same but the concentration was different?
 
Jinsun said:
Hm... I understood that the total dose was the same but the concentration was different?
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Yes, 100mg total whether 25mg/mL x4mL or 100mg/mL x 1mL.
 
Smont said:
No steroid is usually 300mg/ml. That's a trait of underground labs the last 10 years. The high quality stuff for most drugs is100-250 mg/ml
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Yep. If it’s bold and above 200mg/ml it’s likely 500mg/ml and intended to be diluted.
 
bad rad said:
Yes, 100mg total whether 25mg/mL x4mL or 100mg/mL x 1mL.
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Oh I get it, sorry, was bizzy doing other stuff.

Okay, now I have more time...: so the graph shows that the highest blood plasma level was achieved through the gluteal 1ml shot. What it also shows is that the terminal half life is the same for all concentrations ie. 9 days. What differs is the half life in the absorption phase. But seeing as it drops off identically across the board, this signifies that some of the substance was actually wasted compared to the gluteal shot.

Either way, the concentration does not affect terminal half life, which is logical, as once in the blood, an ester is an ester. It makes sense for the absorption though. What is interesting is that the half life seems not to be 14 days as it is commonly accepted but only 9 days. This is right next to the cypionates half life of 8 days. A 9 days half life is not bad.

Can you please provide a link to the study please? tnx!
 
Also I wonder if the two substances can be compared only on the basis of the ester. Surely the pharmacokinetics differ a bit between boldenon and test.
 
Jinsun said:
Also I wonder if the two substances can be compared only on the basis of the ester. Surely the pharmacokinetics differ a bit between boldenon and test.
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They can’t. Look at test ace vs tren ace. Or even deca vs tren E.

Tren is so hard to metabolize it extends the terminal half life. DHB has is also a longer lasting steroid than most base hormones, it’s likely with an ester it sticks around longer than equally estered test.
 
Old Witch said:
They can’t. Look at test ace vs tren ace. Or even deca vs tren E.

Tren is so hard to metabolize it extends the terminal half life. DHB has is also a longer lasting steroid than most base hormones, it’s likely with an ester it sticks around longer than equally estered test.
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Yep, just what I thought. So it just might be that test undec has a shorter terminal half life then boldenon undec... So the study posted might not be directly translatable to boldenone. But I wonder if the difference can really be 9 to 14 days - 5 days - just bc of test vs bold.
 
Jinsun said:
Yep, just what I thought. So it just might be that test undec has a shorter terminal half life then boldenon undec... So the study posted might not be directly translatable to boldenone. But I wonder if the difference can really be 9 to 14 days - 5 days - just bc of test vs bold.
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If undecylenate and undecanoate are really the same ester, then EQ has a shorter half life by a few days.
 
According to steroid Calc, EQ is 14.5 days and test u is 20.

But they claim tren and test have same elimination times which is 100% false, tren ace can be detected as the parent hormone up to 5 months after last dose.
 
Jinsun said:
Oh I get it, sorry, was bizzy doing other stuff.

Okay, now I have more time...: so the graph shows that the highest blood plasma level was achieved through the gluteal 1ml shot. What it also shows is that the terminal half life is the same for all concentrations ie. 9 days. What differs is the half life in the absorption phase. But seeing as it drops off identically across the board, this signifies that some of the substance was actually wasted compared to the gluteal shot.

Either way, the concentration does not affect terminal half life, which is logical, as once in the blood, an ester is an ester. It makes sense for the absorption though. What is interesting is that the half life seems not to be 14 days as it is commonly accepted but only 9 days. This is right next to the cypionates half life of 8 days. A 9 days half life is not bad.

Can you please provide a link to the study please? tnx!
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I've had that graph for probably ten years. I have forgotten which study I found it in. Many of the half-lives parroted on the internet are completely off. I see a 16 day half-life attributed to Test Cyp but a lot of these times were based off administration in horses. The drug insert states 8 days +/- 1 day for humans. A lot affects the active plasma levels of all drugs, not just steroids, like species, injection site, and overall metabolism. Dogs take the same antibiotics humans do but at dosage differences that go beyond body mass.

Parent drug has an affect of active lives too. 250mg injection of Formestane Acetate has a 14 day active life but the raw drug has a 2 hour active life.
 
Well EQ probably doesn't have a human study, so we wont ever have an exact number.

Anyway, what do you guys think is the real terminal half life of EQ?
 
Jinsun said:
Well EQ probably doesn't have a human study, so we wont ever have an exact number.

Anyway, what do you guys think is the real terminal half life of EQ?
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I’d be willing to bet pretty good money that it’s about two weeks.
 
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