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Well... I mean it’s supposed to come back on it’s own. Pct is just to combat sides while it’s happening and maybe expedite the process. There isn’t really riding it out, if there is, you’re not just temporarily off. You done messed your nuts up.
 
CorpKiller said:
Anyone th boards ever get shutdown and did nothing about other choosing to ride it out?
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I’ve known people who haven’t run PCT’s or incomplete PCT’s. Only a couple people but their nuts came back. Wasn’t very pleasant though and takes probably twice as long minimum. Might have ED for a while longer than you need to. Bottom line, you shouldn’t ever do that unless you’re trapped on Sentinel Island, (you somehow hide from the natives successfully), and you can’t get PCT drugs
 
I got fired from my job, which caused me to lose health insurance, and I was too broke to pay for my test without it once.

It's not pleasant at all. I didn't ever really notice the psychological effects hormones have on you until that happened. I was a anxious depressed ******* for about 2 months. And the night sweats holy ****. I'd soak one side of the mattress, wake up wet and cold and roll to the other side for the 2nd half of the night. Every. Damn. Night.

Never again.
 
Cgkone said:
Thats what everybody did back in the day.
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Very true. But a lot of those guys didn’t use test. Arguably, test will shut you down much worse than any other golden era compounds solo, deca, dianabol, primo, etc.
 
Old Witch said:
Very true. But a lot of those guys didn’t use test. Arguably, test will shut you down much worse than any other golden era compounds solo, deca, dianabol, primo, etc.
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The guys I'm talking about from the late 70s early 80s only use test Deca primo and winny dbol that's all there was. My current business partner still has that old-school mindset where he likes to do weird s*** like just use Deca only for six weeks and then go to nothing for 3 weeks and then start back over really bizarre stuff but that's just what they did.
 
Old Witch said:
Very true. But a lot of those guys didn’t use test. Arguably, test will shut you down much worse than any other golden era compounds solo, deca, dianabol, primo, etc.
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Deca is easily as suppressive as testosterone.... anecdotally, it's also one of the compounds hardest for guys to recover from.

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I think one of the big difference with the "old school" guys is that most of them were already pretty big and strong before they even touched AAS, and also used them much more sparingly then guys do today. Also, they had to avoid high doses back then, since AI's weren't even available until the 90's....
 
CatSnake said:
Deca is easily as suppressive as testosterone.... anecdotally, it's also one of the compounds hardest for guys to recover from.

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I think one of the big difference with the "old school" guys is that most of them were already pretty big and strong before they even touched AAS, and also used them much more sparingly then guys do today. Also, they had to avoid high doses back then, since AI's weren't even available until the 90's....
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Exactly. No hair loss at all no gyno no acne just gainz
 
Cgkone said:
Exactly. No hair loss at all no gyno no acne just gainz
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Well yeah, when all you’re doing is taking maybe 50mg a week of deca, 15mg dianabol a day, and nothing else... maybe some primo to cut. They didn’t even have winstrol in most of the 70s, and like I said, not everybody even used testosterone. Arnold was known not to use it, opting instead for primo in actually pretty high doses for the day. They also used Finajet, which was for livestock.
 
Quite literally, in the mid 70s you could walk into the bathroom at golds gym in Venice beach at the right time of day, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Franco Columbu would be in there laughing it up and sticking their buddies in the ass with pins.
 
Supposedly, Franco Columbu was the pioneer of using that stuff for bodybuilding.
 
You also have to remember in the 70s there was only about 20 years of meaningful research on AAS, much like Sarms nowadays.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Trenbolone acetate. Originally developed to put a few lbs on cattle before slaughter, if I remember correctly
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I was wondering. I was about to say tren was made for livestock but then thought that might be a brand name.

If it had been another common use steroid for cows I was like damn... Maybe I should hit up the local vet haha.
 
Popeisdope said:
I was wondering. I was about to say tren was made for livestock but then thought that might be a brand name.

If it had been another common use steroid for cows I was like damn... Maybe I should hit up the local vet haha.
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I think maybe tetrahydrogestrinone is still available for livestock. I did have a cattle farm at one point. We used a generic trenbolone, THG, gestrinone , and a progesterone. I believe.
 
Max LMG too, I think. It was in the senior dog food too from about 2005-2010. The internet is scrubbed of this info but I remember the ads running for FOREVER.
 
You fan still buy the tren pellets online legally too. There are also kits available to extract the tren from the pellets
 
Mmmmm. Cattle pellets
 
Renew1 said:
Yep. Strong stuff. It'll carry just about anything that gets in its way right into your body. So you have to make sure you're clean first.
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Good looking out. I have been forgetting to add in my caveats lately.

It also makes you stink like garlic. Bad.
 
They use dmso on the cop shows as a way to kill people with some crap on their shower floor or something. My wife absolutely loves those shows. SVU, NCIS... all that stuff.
 
Old Witch said:
Good looking out. I have been forgetting to add in my caveats lately.

It also makes you stink like garlic. Bad.
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Yeah, I got a bad cold type bug after using it once, and think that may be how I got it.

Man.... That stuff gives me an awful taste in my mouth.

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But I've got some right now. LOL.
 
Renew1 said:
Yeah, I got a bad cold type bug after using it once, and think that may be how I got it.

Man.... That stuff gives me an awful taste in my mouth.

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But I've got some right now. LOL.
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Well you can either get rid of some joint aches with it or dissolve some aas raws and have a weightlifting party. I vote Hexadrone or max lmg. Something useful for TD.
 
Old Witch said:
Well you can either get rid of some joint aches with it or dissolve some aas raws and have a weightlifting party. I vote Hexadrone or max lmg. Something useful for TD.
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The first time I was around it, my Mom used to use it on her back MANY years ago. Before I ever tried AAS.
 
It can be. Just wash the application area before application. It's not as efficient as injecting but it's very good at moving compounds into the bloodstream
 
Renew1 said:
Powerful.

Mine already has 6-Bromo in it.
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You like 6 bromo? I remember using ATD, 6- oxo, or formestane. I remember 6 bromo was supposed to be the new replacement for 6 oxo. Something like that. I preferred ATD.
 
Old Witch said:
You like 6 bromo? I remember using ATD, 6- oxo, or formestane. I remember 6 bromo was supposed to be the new replacement for 6 oxo. Something like that. I preferred ATD.
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I used to use it (orally), and liked it.... Although it wasn't very strong IMO.
TD in DMSO, it is pretty darn strong. Although my personal "OTC" favorite is TD Formestane.
 
Renew1 said:
I used to use it (orally), and liked it.... Although it wasn't very strong IMO.
TD in DMSO, it is pretty darn strong. Although my personal "OTC" favorite is TD Formestane.
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I liked ATD because it was strong enough orally that you could crash your estrogen and SHBG. And they always gave way too much in the bottle. So one capsule every three days or so and you were all set.
 
Old Witch said:
I liked ATD because it was strong enough orally that you could crash your estrogen and SHBG. And they always gave way too much in the bottle. So one capsule every three days or so and you were all set.
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I don't think I ever gave it a try TBH.
 
Renew1 said:
LOL. That's crazy.
Do you ever use it anymore?
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I was planning to use it again soon. Didn’t know it was still out there except as fake sarms. I found a couple brands a couple months ago though. UK of course. Was thinking I’d even go full early 2000s and take 1AD and M1T, using the ATD on cycle and for pct as was the trend back then. I certainly did such things before.

The trick to it is upping the dose a little about two weeks before the cycle ends and then tapering off after stopping the steroids. Androgen and estrogen levels normalize, as well as controlling shbg so you feel right the whole time. As long as I don’t actually damage my pituitary, anterior hypothalamus, or testes during the cycle, androgen production should resume during the pct period with ATD.

No serm required. I miss the good old days.
 
SwoleMax said:
Wha....wha..........WHAT ??? Lol . Do you have any info on that ? That's nuts .
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Every once in awhile I scour the net looking for anyone or anything referencing this. So far nothing whatsoever. Which is absolutely crazy, because the ad ran on tv for years. “Now with Max LMG!”

That was how I ever even heard of Max LMG in the first place.
 
Old Witch said:
Every once in awhile I scour the net looking for anyone or anything referencing this. So far nothing whatsoever. Which is absolutely crazy, because the ad ran on tv for years. “Now with Max LMG!”

That was how I ever even heard of Max LMG in the first place.
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Wow, that's nuts!
Would that have been in the early 2000s?
 
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