AI in my Test??

Brain5ick

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So I’ve never encountered this before but I got my TRT package today and I went through the contents and I expected my Arimidex to be a pill, like my finasteride is. Well, it’s actually in my test cyp which I’ve never heard of before. It’s 1mg Arimidex per 200mg Test cyp and my protocol is 1ml/200mg Test once a week, 250iu of HCG twice a week, 1.5mg finasteride taken in three .5 doses per week. Anyone heard of this before??
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Heard of it once before, but never actually seen it. I would check with your doctor
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He said something about it in our appointment but I thought he just had something mixed up. Guess not. I’ve been feeling tired and depressed all the time, a little bloated, can’t really sleep well. I’ve heard for TRT purposes it’s common to do .5mg of adex per 100mg of test. What’re your thoughts on that?
 
0.5mg on 100mg of test is suicide dose, 90% using 0.5mg of Adex EOD on 500mg test cycle and keep e2 levels in control with that dose.
 
I’m having terrible depression, low drive, libido has actually gone down, don’t sleep well, and just generally feel like trash. I’m guessing it’s an estro problem but the only local doctor I can get lab work from is a ****ing hack and won’t check my E2 or anything. Drives me insane.
 
Tell me is it hard for you to drop weight and cut and check your fingers, for me fingers are first indicator of higher estrogen,mine fingers become really “fat” when estrogen raise xD
 
MarkoK87 said:
Tell me is it hard for you to drop weight and cut and check your fingers, for me fingers are first indicator of higher estrogen,mine fingers become really “fat” when estrogen raise xD
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It’s never been too hard to drop weight for me, but that’s prior to TRT... I’m also on a bulk right now since it’s the holidays but I’ve gained a ton of fat on a small surplus for me. Hands might look a little more fat than usual but I can’t tell much from the fingers otherwise. The depression is really want I want to go away. It’s like some of the worst I’ve ever had but I can clearly see nothing is actually wrong. I haven’t left my couch in two days.
 
It's easier on the liver to take it this way. Have at it. That's a good ratio. Your test should end up quite high and estrogen relatively low, but probably higher than others using as much Adex.
 
Brain5ick said:
It’s never been too hard to drop weight for me, but that’s prior to TRT... I’m also on a bulk right now since it’s the holidays but I’ve gained a ton of fat on a small surplus for me. Hands might look a little more fat than usual but I can’t tell much from the fingers otherwise. The depression is really want I want to go away. It’s like some of the worst I’ve ever had but I can clearly see nothing is actually wrong. I haven’t left my couch in two days.
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That sounds like estro to me... Which will also make you soft and bloated and appear fatter.
 
Godstrength said:
That sounds like estro to me... Which will also make you soft and bloated and appear fatter.
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I feel like around my waist is a bit softer, chest as well although I’ve always stored fat on my chest (former fat kid here). Muscles aren’t as full, especially traps, triceps, and back. Less vascular around the legs and forearms like I’m holding a little more water than usual. I am high carb on my bulk though.
 
And yes, I have talked to someone else who had test/arimidex blend for trt as well. If your doctor won’t order bloodwork for estradiol, you can always get it done yourself from privatemdlabs or somewhere similar.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
And yes, I have talked to someone else who had test/arimidex blend for trt as well. If your doctor won’t order bloodwork for estradiol, you can always get it done yourself from privatemdlabs or somewhere similar.
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Gonna keep that in mind! I’m gonna try 100mg with .5 ADex this Monday and see how I feel.
 
MarkoK87 said:
0.5mg on 100mg of test is suicide dose, 90% using 0.5mg of Adex EOD on 500mg test cycle and keep e2 levels in control with that dose.
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This amounts to only 0.5mg 2x a week and is prescribed by physician. If you pinned 100mg of this mix EOD it would equal 500mg a week of test and 0.5mg Adex EOD. Seems correct.

In fact, if I blasted with this mix, that's how I'd take it, 0.5-1ml EOD. Easy.
 
I want to add that 7 days after my shot on 80mg my test was at 424ng/dL and estradiol was 16pg/ml so earlier in the week on a 100mg dose my E would probably be much higher, correct? What do you think it would be at?
 
Brain5ick said:
I want to add that 7 days after my shot on 80mg my test was at 424ng/dL and estradiol was 16pg/ml so earlier in the week on a 100mg dose my E would probably be much higher, correct? What do you think it would be at?
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No way to know for sure. chances are the e2 is within range but not for such a low T number. Once you get on the bigger dose with the AI your e2 will probably still be under 20pg/ml but your test will be 1200 or more easy.
 
Old Witch said:
No way to know for sure. chances are the e2 is within range but not for such a low T number. Once you get on the bigger dose with the AI your e2 will probably still be under 20pg/ml but your test will be 1200 or more easy.
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I just don’t want to crash my E you know?
 
What most coaches and such are aiming for is between 10 and 20pg/ml e2, what most docs aim for is between 20-50pg/ml so there's a bit of discrepancy as to what might work best and feel best.
 
Stick with it, trust the system. You just have to dial it in. The trial and error period is tough. Remember to tell yourself that your emotions are related to hormone imbalance to keep yourself from getting so down. I know, easy for me to say but good luck
 
The Express 42 said:
Stick with it, trust the system. You just have to dial it in. The trial and error period is tough. Remember to tell yourself that your emotions are related to hormone imbalance to keep yourself from getting so down. I know, easy for me to say but good luck
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Thanks bro! Hopefully this new stuff with the AI already in it will have me feeling a little better.
 
Here’s something a little new I feel I should throw in there. I’m at the gym right now doing a push workout and no matter what I do, how many reps, how much weight, I can’t get good contractions in the muscle. Pump is sh!t, my strength is terrible, I look flat as all hell, no energy at all. Usually I can decline press 315lbs, tonight getting 12 reps with 135lbs feels like a total struggle and I don’t know why. Overhead press is usually easy 8 reps with 135lbs and that’s not even to failure, 90lbs feels like it’s all I can manage now. I hate this. I feel pissed as all hell.
 
Oh, and my nips itch every once in awhile. Not all the time, but I’ve noticed a little tickle/itch in them over the past 3 days maybe once or twice.
 
Brain5ick said:
Here’s something a little new I feel I should throw in there. I’m at the gym right now doing a push workout and no matter what I do, how many reps, how much weight, I can’t get good contractions in the muscle. Pump is sh!t, my strength is terrible, I look flat as all hell, no energy at all. Usually I can decline press 315lbs, tonight getting 12 reps with 135lbs feels like a total struggle and I don’t know why. Overhead press is usually easy 8 reps with 135lbs and that’s not even to failure, 90lbs feels like it’s all I can manage now. I hate this. I feel pissed as all hell.
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Not enough carbs maybe? Could just be a bad day
 
Brain5ick said:
Here’s something a little new I feel I should throw in there. I’m at the gym right now doing a push workout and no matter what I do, how many reps, how much weight, I can’t get good contractions in the muscle. Pump is sh!t, my strength is terrible, I look flat as all hell, no energy at all. Usually I can decline press 315lbs, tonight getting 12 reps with 135lbs feels like a total struggle and I don’t know why. Overhead press is usually easy 8 reps with 135lbs and that’s not even to failure, 90lbs feels like it’s all I can manage now. I hate this. I feel pissed as all hell.
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Whether its sleep, change in diet for a day or 2....stress, etc. We all have those crap days. Hopefully that will go away pretty fast for ya. I had a crap WEEK last week lol - came back stronger than ever this. Good luck
 
Highly possible! I was a little lower on the carbs yesterday. What about the nips itching? I’m still having that issue, twice today.
 
Brain5ick said:
Here’s something a little new I feel I should throw in there. I’m at the gym right now doing a push workout and no matter what I do, how many reps, how much weight, I can’t get good contractions in the muscle. Pump is sh!t, my strength is terrible, I look flat as all hell, no energy at all. Usually I can decline press 315lbs, tonight getting 12 reps with 135lbs feels like a total struggle and I don’t know why. Overhead press is usually easy 8 reps with 135lbs and that’s not even to failure, 90lbs feels like it’s all I can manage now. I hate this. I feel pissed as all hell.
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That's a lack of androgens/ high e2. You're describing day 1 of pct for me every time I've ever come off.
 
Old Witch said:
That's a lack of androgens/ high e2. You're describing day 1 of pct for me every time I've ever come off.
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It’s not like I’ve missed my shot this week though. Maybe my test is just crashing lower than I’m usually at? And after so much time with no AI my E has probably built up you’re right
 
Brain5ick said:
It’s not like I’ve missed my shot this week though. Maybe my test is just crashing lower than I’m usually at? And after so much time with no AI my E has probably built up you’re right
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Something like that. You've got a whole ton of natural antiandrogens/catabolics floating around beyond the scope of what an estradiol free sensitive test will show. Cortisol, estrone, progesterone, prolactin etc. all causing this effect.
 
Old Witch said:
Get on your new protocol ASAP.
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I’ll be starting this Monday. I was going to do some liquid anastrozole but after my girl cleaned the house it looks like it’s no longer here.
100mg Test and .5mg AI on Monday then 250iu HCG Tuesday and again Thursday. Will that amount of AI be ok with that much HCG? I’d have to do another shot just to get more AI which would only kind of add more issues.

Also another thing, and I don’t mean to add too much info for you guys but me and my girl were messing around the other night and I can get hard although if we aren’t having sex or I’m not getting head I go soft super fast and on top of that my orgasms are SUPER weak.
 
Old Witch said:
Something like that. You've got a whole ton of natural antiandrogens/catabolics floating around beyond the scope of what an estradiol free sensitive test will show. Cortisol, estrone, progesterone, prolactin etc. all causing this effect.
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I wish I didn’t have to wait to get my bloodwork done. I’m short on cash and I’m moving in a week so things are ridiculous right now.
 
Brain5ick said:
So I’ve never encountered this before but I got my TRT package today and I went through the contents and I expected my Arimidex to be a pill, like my finasteride is. Well, it’s actually in my test cyp which I’ve never heard of before. It’s 1mg Arimidex per 200mg Test cyp and my protocol is 1ml/200mg Test once a week, 250iu of HCG twice a week, 1.5mg finasteride taken in three .5 doses per week. Anyone heard of this before??
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Sounds like you are working through a compounding pharmacy and you need to instruct your doctor to order them separate. You need to be able to control the amount of AI you take and you don't have the ability this way. I am on a few other boards where the doctors tried to do this and it crashed the patient's e2.
 
I would 100% request your AI to NOT be in your testosterone. That makes absolutely no sense to me unless you are very well aware of test dosages and how they effect your e2.


The two are not 100% related in dosages, if that makes sense. Increase test 10% does not necessarily mean you would need an additional 10% of your AI.
 
Brain5ick said:
I’d like to clarify that it’s not all the time. Just occasionally. Still the same cause? I just don’t wanna jump on the “oh God I’m getting gyno” train unnecessarily.
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Yeah it's high estrogen. Fluctuating but mostly high.
 
The arimidex has no business being mixed in the testosterone. That is a potent drug and should be spaced out, the half life can be as low as 30 hours. 200 mg of test will be too high for a true TRT. You will end up out of the normal range.
 
Hey all! Update. I’ve realized that I’m no longer growing hair in certain places which is causing more concern. Legs, facial hair and my junk, no longer growing any hair which is something I’ve been keeping track of lately. One question, WHY THE ****??? Also it seems my mood is getting much worse, depression is bad, very very bad. Anxiety is there but isn’t unbearable. Also I’ve noticed I’m getting aggressive and angry very easily, snapping at every little thing and yelling a lot when that’s definitely not the norm for me. Insight?
 
Brain5ick said:
Hey all! Update. I’ve realized that I’m no longer growing hair in certain places which is causing more concern. Legs, facial hair and my junk, no longer growing any hair which is something I’ve been keeping track of lately. One question, WHY THE ****??? Also it seems my mood is getting much worse, depression is bad, very very bad. Anxiety is there but isn’t unbearable. Also I’ve noticed I’m getting aggressive and angry very easily, snapping at every little thing and yelling a lot when that’s definitely not the norm for me. Insight?
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Honestly, I think you’re just overthinking everything too much. Trt would increase hair growth. Don’t let little things in your head like that.
 
Brain5ick said:
Hey all! Update. I’ve realized that I’m no longer growing hair in certain places which is causing more concern. Legs, facial hair and my junk, no longer growing any hair which is something I’ve been keeping track of lately. One question, WHY THE ****??? Also it seems my mood is getting much worse, depression is bad, very very bad. Anxiety is there but isn’t unbearable. Also I’ve noticed I’m getting aggressive and angry very easily, snapping at every little thing and yelling a lot when that’s definitely not the norm for me. Insight?
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You need blood work. Most of the symptoms you describe are low Test levels in my experience. I've been on TRT for years and used different compounding pharmacies. Based on blood work, I must have received bad batches because my levels came back super low for prescription Testosterone.
 
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