Info for First real Gear cycle

merch

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hello everyone, I apologize for my English (I'm using the ahahah translator) I wanted to ask for a hand for my first injectable cycle, for now I did 1 cycle of 8 weeks of ostarina, 1 of 7 weeks of epistane, 4ad, trenavar and cardarina and 1 of 12 weeks of rad, lgd, s4 and mk677, with the mk677 will go on for another 8 months, I decided to go to the injectables, I was thinking of doing a 15-week test cycle e / deca and maybe use the h-drol I have at home in the first 6 weeks as a kickstart, now I'll write what I had in mind:

1-15 test e
1xW 500mg
1-14 deca 400mg 1xW
I am undecided whether to use 0.25 mg EOD of arimidex or 10mg nolvadex ED (i have every two)

1-6 50 \ 75 mg h-drol
cycle support 1-6 arimacare pro 8 caps ED and 6 to 15 4 caps ED
16- nothing
pct 17- 40 mg nolva 50 mg enclomiphene citrate (andromax)
18-20 20 mg nolva 25 mg clomid
even if I do not know whether to use it in the cycle or the nolva or arimidex, I still have it at my fingertips
17-20 25mg cardarine
one last thing, I have at home 5000 iu of hcg, someone could tell me how I could use it to make the pct better, thanks a lot to all guys :)
 
I would drop the deca because it’s your first pinning cycle, but that’s just my opinion. I’d inject the test e twice a week instead of once a week. I’d go with .25-.5mg arimidex eod and adjust as necessary. I’ll let someone else help with the hcg because I haven’t used it personally.
 
perfect :), even I was a bit undecided on the deca, you say that lower to 300 mg x week can go? maybe see how it goes for 7 \ 8 weeks and then turn up to 400, for the pct you say that dosages is ok?
thanks also to the tip of split in two doses from 250 the test;)
 
merch said:
perfect :), even I was a bit undecided on the deca, you say that lower to 300 mg x week can go? maybe see how it goes for 7 \ 8 weeks and then turn up to 400, for the pct you say that dosages is ok?
thanks also to the tip of split in two doses from 250 the test;)
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I would just recommend going without the deca for now because you’re already going to be using a compound that you don’t have experience with. Deca sides can be a bit harder to deal with and suppression from it can be harder to overcome. I think test with a kickstarter would be a nice cycle for you.
 
ahhhhhh I did not understand, perfect, I take into account your clarification and see what others say
 
Do you have the ability to get more hcg? I'm a fan of running it at 500iu 3X per week. That really should keep you going. If you cant get more I'd use it on the last few weeks of your cycle. Stop it roughly 2 weeks after your last test inject right before you begin pct
 
bigbeaph said:
Do you have the ability to get more hcg? I'm a fan of running it at 500iu 3X per week. That really should keep you going. If you cant get more I'd use it on the last few weeks of your cycle. Stop it roughly 2 weeks after your last test inject right before you begin pct
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could I take another 2 vials from 5000iu and do as you say from week 7 until 16, could help?

you advice to make 1500 iu x week? is not it so much for a cycle as a beginner? I only ask because I'm not really familiar with the hcg
 
merch said:
could I take another 2 vials from 5000iu and do as you say from week 7 until 16, could help?

you advice to make 1500 iu x week? is not it so much for a cycle as a beginner? I only ask because I'm not really familiar with the hcg
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There are suggestions all over the place. From experience I can tell you 500 is sufficient- I've seen guys run the same protocol with 250 and said they were gtg as well
 
My opinion, save Deca for cycle number two.

Cycle:
Test E 500mg/wk (inject 250mg 2x per week timed evenly) 1-15
Halodrol 50-75mg daily 1-6
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD 1-15. Taper off 16-20.
HCG 500iu/2x per wk 15-19
Nolva 40/40/20/10/10 17-21 continue at 10mg EOD for one week after.
Clomid 50/25/25/12.5 17-20


Now if you would rather use HCG on cycle instead of only for pct then you will need more HCG, and do as bigbeaph said
 
thank you very much you guys have given a big help, in your opinioni ,doing a very clean bulk \ light recomp
Howard many result i can get? I mean big lines just to get an idea, I know we're all different :)
 
merch said:
thank you very much you guys have given a big help, according to you doing a very clean bulk \ light rewards that you can get? I mean big lines just to get an idea, I know we're all different :)
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If this is your first time pinning test, you could gain as much as 30lbs easy on this cycle. Even on a clean diet, just make sure to eat as much as you can.
 
Old Witch said:
If this is your first time pinning test, you could gain as much as 30lbs easy on this cycle. Even on a clean diet, just make sure to eat as much as you can.
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well I would say that it also goes beyond my expectations, excellent!
from my 12-week cycle of 4 sarm (100% legit liquid form),only side the lethargy ,i took 23 pounds of which I kept 20.5, with diet I am always very clean with a cheat meal every 2 weeks, as calories I will be on the 3300 that for my body I understood that it is a light bulk, but since I put cardio twice a week (I never did before) I think I also raise to 3600 3700 and open a log when I start the cycle
 
bigbeaph said:
There are suggestions all over the place. From experience I can tell you 500 is sufficient- I've seen guys run the same protocol with 250 and said they were gtg as well
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I’m currently using 250iu hcg 2 x pw on a 500 pw test e cycle and nuts are maintaining a good size. I’ve seen research that I recall showing that dosage partial rather than full testicular function. I am personally producing an ungodly amount of seman though.....
 
I think that i will go for this cycle :
Test E 500mg/wk (inject 250mg 2x per week timed evenly) 1-15
Halodrol 50-75mg daily 1-6
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD 1-15. Taper off 16-20.
HCG 250iu/2x per wk 10-19
Nolva 40/40/20/10/10 17-21 continue at 10mg EOD for one week after.
Clomid 50/25/25/12.5 17-20
Cardarine:25/25/25/25 17-20
 
Old Witch said:
If this is your first time pinning test, you could gain as much as 30lbs easy on this cycle. Even on a clean diet, just make sure to eat as much as you can.
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I always see people saying that, but I literally gained a few lbs from 600mg test in a caloric surplus of nearly 1500 lol. I kickstarted the cycle with tbol, so that definitely could’ve been partially why; but I think high dosed test is a bit overrated personally.
 
merch said:
I think that i will go for this cycle :
Test E 500mg/wk (inject 250mg 2x per week timed evenly) 1-15
Halodrol 50-75mg daily 1-6
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD 1-15. Taper off 16-20.
HCG 250iu/2x per wk 10-19
Nolva 40/40/20/10/10 17-21 continue at 10mg EOD for one week after.
Clomid 50/25/25/12.5 17-20
Cardarine:25/25/25/25 17-20
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Thats solid man. I’d personally start at 75mg halodrol though. Anything less would be too low from what I’ve heard.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Thats solid man. I’d personally start at 75mg halodrol though. Anything less would be too low from what I’ve heard.
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Perfect! Go for 75 mg, i have the liquid versione with nanoparticel technology, i have read that this form of ball is 3 times more potent, but i dont know if is true
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I always see people saying that, but I literally gained a few lbs from 600mg test in a caloric surplus of nearly 1500 lol. I kickstarted the cycle with tbol, so that definitely could’ve been partially why; but I think high dosed test is a bit overrated personally.
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for this I say that we are all different, many told me that with the stack of sarm I made I would have gained 4 \ 5 pounds and lost 1-2% of bf, instead I took 0.5 \ 1% of bf but I also earned more than 20 pounds in total, depending on how your body responds to the molecule or excess of exogenous hormone
 
merch said:
Perfect! Go for 75 mg, i have the liquid versione with nanoparticel technology, i have read that this form of ball is 3 times more potent, but i dont know if is true
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Who makes it? In that case, it might be better to use it as the directions say. I’ve used the nanoparticle version of msten and it worked great at the instructed doses.
 
For you it is possible to use 10 mg of nolva a day both to prevent estrogens and to reduce a little the suppression and to keep arimidex on hand in case the nolva was not enough and then replace it with it?
 
merch said:
I think that i will go for this cycle :
Test E 500mg/wk (inject 250mg 2x per week timed evenly) 1-15
Halodrol 50-75mg daily 1-6
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD 1-15. Taper off 16-20.
HCG 250iu/2x per wk 10-19
Nolva 40/40/20/10/10 17-21 continue at 10mg EOD for one week after.
Clomid 50/25/25/12.5 17-20
Cardarine:25/25/25/25 17-20
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I wouldn’t wait until week 10 to start the hcg bro. The whole point of running it on cycle is to prevent shut down. If you want to use it to bring function back up then I believe it’s a much higher dose the last few weeks of cycle. Your kinda inbetween at the moment.
 
Whisky said:
I wouldn’t wait until week 10 to start the hcg bro. The whole point of running it on cycle is to prevent shut down. If you want to use it to bring function back up then I believe it’s a much higher dose the last few weeks of cycle. Your kinda inbetween at the moment.
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then I should use from 250 to 500 iu a week already 'from the third \ fourth week until the pct you say? I have seen many pct protocols where for example in my case they used 1000iu ED for the whole week 16 (the one before starting the pct. products are undecided on which of the two choices to use, the first one is to maintain the second of boost
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I always see people saying that, but I literally gained a few lbs from 600mg test in a caloric surplus of nearly 1500 lol. I kickstarted the cycle with tbol, so that definitely could’ve been partially why; but I think high dosed test is a bit overrated personally.
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For real lol. This dude said 30 lbs from a test only cycle lol.
 
Davy25 said:
For real lol. This dude said 30 lbs from a test only cycle lol.
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will not be 30 but 20 I really think so, breast would mean that the sarm are more powerful even in less weeks ahah (12vs15) and I will used as kichstart the hdrol and only from that I'm 100% sure I'll take at least 7 \ 10 lb
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I always see people saying that, but I literally gained a few lbs from 600mg test in a caloric surplus of nearly 1500 lol. I kickstarted the cycle with tbol, so that definitely could’ve been partially why; but I think high dosed test is a bit overrated personally.
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Some guys are not as sensitive to it I guess, but myself and many other guys have had such an experience our first time pinning. It could be the case that some guys use more orals for longer, SARMS etc before ever pinning, thusly desensitizing themselves to what a good high dose test cycle could have done the first time out. Because it wasn't really the first time at that point as far as the ARs were concerned.
 
of hcg I have the amp of 5000iu, once opened and have mixed the product with the solvent how can I do to keep them during the cycle?
 
merch said:
of hcg I have the amp of 5000iu, once opened and have mixed the product with the solvent how can I do to keep them during the cycle?
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You have to keep it refrigerated and it's only good for 30 days after mixing.
 
Old Witch said:
Some guys are not as sensitive to it I guess, but myself and many other guys have had such an experience our first time pinning. It could be the case that some guys use more orals for longer, SARMS etc before ever pinning, thusly desensitizing themselves to what a good high dose test cycle could have done the first time out. Because it wasn't really the first time at that point as far as the ARs were concerned.
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Id say this is more accurate. I gained about 15 lbs my first cycle and kept only about 9. But weight gain wasnt my concern at all it was a recomp cycle. Also i did two sarm cycles prior.
 
Davy25 said:
Id say this is more accurate. I gained about 15 lbs my first cycle and kept only about 9. But weight gain wasnt my concern at all it was a recomp cycle. Also i did two sarm cycles prior.
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So, without even trying, you gained 15 lbs, and with trying I gained 30. What's so unrealistic about that.. Sounds spot on to me.
 
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