Donald Trump running for president

[ax1]

Unrelated to quoted post, just grabbed it so you knew I was addressing you here.

Which of her books have you read? Was it a decent read? I've been considering reading one of her memoirs (I have her husband's), but I'm not sure if it's worth it. I'm not a Hillary fan; I like Bill ok (to read about, not necessarily as a "great" dude), but I've never really liked Hillary. She has always seemed really fake to me.

True story, I used to do catering and I was missioned with the senior catering guy to help him clear Hitleries breakfast table during an event. This older dude (he was some 55 or so) had a big crush on her. Anyways its just me and him in the room, he turns to me and points his finger at the mug and goes in a real deep voice...."This is Hitleries lipstick" (off topic sorry I just cant spell her name right, I find that immoral lol.) Anyways this is just one of my funniest sore loser memories stuck in my head all my life. I ended up clearing her stupid little mug and stuff which was kinda cool as much as I think she is a nasty bitch, which makes me a sore loser too but it was worth it. If I had a chance to meet her and serve her Id be a 100% pro with her by the way, but they only let our senior caterer do it. But damn, she had a serious smudge of lipstick on that mug.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Unrelated to quoted post, just grabbed it so you knew I was addressing you here.

Which of her books have you read? Was it a decent read? I've been considering reading one of her memoirs (I have her husband's), but I'm not sure if it's worth it. I'm not a Hillary fan; I like Bill ok (to read about, not necessarily as a "great" dude), but I've never really liked Hillary. She has always seemed really fake to me.

Living History. She has written more since then, but I won't be reading them. I didn't personally like Living History, but it probably has a lot to do with my own bias. I can be objective about her for a short while, but devoting that much time just annoys me and has me questioning everything she says. I'd say if somebody was a fan already, they might like it, but it's not going to convert anybody over to her side.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving and has been learning their arabic.

 

[ax1]

Hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving and has been learning their arabic.

Happy Thanks to you and rest of all as well!

 

[ax1]

White House petition: Seat Alex Jones next to Jim Acosta in Brady briefing room

Only needs 64,000 for White House to respond....make that 63,999!!! ROFL!!! Actually 37k+ signed it...I think 64k is very reachable considering infowars has millions of listeners.

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[Aleksandar37]

White House petition: Seat Alex Jones next to Jim Acosta in Brady briefing room

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I'm actually kind of shocked that Jones isn't in there already or even part of Trump's press team.

 

[ax1]

I'm actually kind of shocked that Jones isn't in there already or even part of Trump's press team.

I dont think they let him/them...Alex has a whole crew of Journalists that hit the road and show up at things. Thats all the hypocrisy of all these news agencies, they cry out 1st Amendment violations when they get their but spanked a little, but then portray Julian Assange as a terrorist or any other opposition as extremists. Dump is a bunch of hypocrisy himself of course.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I dont think they let him/them...Alex has a whole crew of Journalists that hit the road and show up at things. Thats all the hypocrisy of all these news agencies, they cry out 1st Amendment violations when they get their but spanked a little, but then portray Julian Assange as a terrorist or any other opposition as extremists. Dump is a bunch of hypocrisy himself of course.

We'll have to agree to disagree that Jones and Assange are on different levels of wanting the truth

 

[ax1]

We'll have to agree to disagree that Jones and Assange are on different levels of wanting the truth

Id side with Assange over Jones any day. That being said I dont trust these people with my life, but you know what Im saying.

 

[DemonDevster]

White House petition: Seat Alex Jones next to Jim Acosta in Brady briefing room

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I have signed alex jones will make tap water drinkable again without the risk of it turning you gay

 

[Aleksandar37]

I have signed alex jones will make tap water drinkable again without the risk of it turning you gay

You're safe. The frogs on the other hand...

 

[thebigt]

Hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving and has been learning their arabic.

thanks, the great thanksgiving has been taken care of...the Arabic not so much-Spanish and tagalog were both fairly easy to learn, Arabic looks like it would be a pita!!!

 

[ax1]

Get ready to pay more for your tech. Tarrifs are taxes on US! Gotcha again!!!!

Dump is such an azzwipe if he pulls off this stunt.

Trump says made in China smartphones and laptops including iPhone may get hit with 10-25% tariffs

In the latest report from the Wall Street Journal, it is believed that the Trump administration could hike up tariffs on smartphones and mobiles made in China. It is highly likely that the increase in tariffs from 10-25% will take place from January 1st. It would impact all the companies who have their manufacturing hubs in China. Even, it’s own Cupertino giant will reel under this new hike as Trump added that it might include Apple’s premium iPhone product lineup also.

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[thebigt]

Get ready to pay more for your tech. Tarrifs are taxes on US! Gotcha again!!!!

Dump is such an azzwipe if he pulls off this stunt.

Trump says made in China smartphones and laptops including iPhone may get hit with 10-25% tariffs

In the latest report from the Wall Street Journal, it is believed that the Trump administration could hike up tariffs on smartphones and mobiles made in China. It is highly likely that the increase in tariffs from 10-25% will take place from January 1st. It would impact all the companies who have their manufacturing hubs in China. Even, it’s own Cupertino giant will reel under this new hike as Trump added that it might include Apple’s premium iPhone product lineup also.

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I thought everyone already has a cell phone?

 

[ax1]

I thought everyone already has a cell phone?

Ha! Nuttin to see here folks move on....

 

[thebigt]

Ha! Nuttin to see here folks move on....

seriously, even my 5 year old granddaughter has a cell phone...I heard apple stock has dropped because sales are down-everyone already has one!!!

 

[justhere4comm]

Get ready to pay more for your tech. Tarrifs are taxes on US! Gotcha again!!!!

Dump is such an azzwipe if he pulls off this stunt.

Trump says made in China smartphones and laptops including iPhone may get hit with 10-25% tariffs

In the latest report from the Wall Street Journal, it is believed that the Trump administration could hike up tariffs on smartphones and mobiles made in China. It is highly likely that the increase in tariffs from 10-25% will take place from January 1st. It would impact all the companies who have their manufacturing hubs in China. Even, it’s own Cupertino giant will reel under this new hike as Trump added that it might include Apple’s premium iPhone product lineup also.

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That's going to be interesting when the New Congress takes over in January.

I thought everyone already has a cell phone?

People like to upgrade their older phones just like they replace their computers.
Just because you have one already doesn't mean you don't want to sell it; give it away; or retask it to another role (i.e., backup phone).

I don't. My computer is mid-2012, and my phone is an iPhone 6, and both going strong, but I respect those who want to upgrade. A part of this that has not been discussed. How about the cost to repair? Those parts are going to cost more as well.

 

[ax1]

seriously, even my 5 year old granddaughter has a cell phone...I heard apple stock has dropped because sales are down-everyone already has one!!!

Their flagship phones are extremely expensive although I love my iPhone X which cost me around $1200 at the time. Their PC line has has a long list of controversial moves and especially has been neglected to the point long time loyalists are switching to Windows. Their PC's have been getting more expensive as well and they had done stupid ass moves as in adding spinning disc drives to $1500 computers forcing people to upgrade basic stock units (upgrade prior to purchase, at home upgrading has become near impossible with the newer designs) at astronomically unfair prices. Innovation in the PC line had gone to shyts and upgraded units on schedule have been heavily ignored. I respect Tim Cook, I think he gets too much criticism he has in some ways done a terrific job but Apple has changed. The company has become financially massive but their heart and soul just isnt the same anymore. Its a bigger story but this isnt an Apple forum lol.

 

[thebigt]

That's going to be interesting when the New Congress takes over in January.



People like to upgrade their older phones just like they replace their computers.
Just because you have one already doesn't mean you don't want to sell it; give it away; or retask it to another role (i.e., backup phone).

I don't. My computer is mid-2012, and my phone is an iPhone 6, and both going strong, but I respect those who want to upgrade. A part of this that has not been discussed. How about the cost to repair? Those parts are going to cost more as well.

to me a cell phone today is a necessity...but just like food there is the grocery store and there is fine dining, when you choose fine dining it's going to cost!!! I think most places have a food and beverage tax on restaurants, I know that is how they paid for lucas oil stadium in indy.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Trump wants to force that Wisconsin Foxconn plant to create Apple products used in the US which is not reasonable. He knows the benefit of globalization because he got rich off of it and continues to do so. That plant got tax breaks and any other plant will get them as well to such a degree that the benefit of money to the community doesn't balance with the tax money the community pays for the plant for decades. By that time, the plant will have exploited the area's environment and moved back overseas. I'd rather see products like that imported than have taxpayers who don't even own apple products have to pay for it.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I don't. My computer is mid-2012, and my phone is an iPhone 6, and both going strong, but I respect those who want to upgrade. A part of this that has not been discussed. How about the cost to repair? Those parts are going to cost more as well.

I get a new computer and phone every couple of years once they either die or become so slow that they're near useless, but yeah, a lot of people are out there in line whenever the new Apple whatever comes out. I tried the mac and iphone and they're fine. I'm more comfortable with pc and android when it comes to problem solving.

 

[thebigt]

Trump wants to force that Wisconsin Foxconn plant to create Apple products used in the US which is not reasonable. He knows the benefit of globalization because he got rich off of it and continues to do so. That plant got tax breaks and any other plant will get them as well to such a degree that the benefit of money to the community doesn't balance with the tax money the community pays for the plant for decades. By that time, the plant will have exploited the area's environment and moved back overseas. I'd rather see products like that imported than have taxpayers who don't even own apple products have to pay for it.

a politician who is for things that will benefit them personally, wow!!!


I bet Bernie is no longer the 'poorest' senator, lol.


trump is as much 'the swamp' as any of them. I support 'most' of his policies, but his methods leave a lot to be desired-in all honesty.

 

[ax1]

Trump wants to force that Wisconsin Foxconn plant to create Apple products used in the US which is not reasonable. He knows the benefit of globalization because he got rich off of it and continues to do so. That plant got tax breaks and any other plant will get them as well to such a degree that the benefit of money to the community doesn't balance with the tax money the community pays for the plant for decades. By that time, the plant will have exploited the area's environment and moved back overseas. I'd rather see products like that imported than have taxpayers who don't even own apple products have to pay for it.

Id bet if the Apple products were 100% manufactured in the USA the retail costs may surpassed greater than the proposed 25% tariffs. With raising minimum wage laws, Unions, insurance, social and medicare costs, etc...less Apple products will be sold and company will sink unless they can work on mastering robotics with Foxconn faster and replace humans as much as possible. Robotics is one hefty investment from research to development, its not easy. Anyways Im all for giving Americans jobs but its not going to work in a government enforced environment and benefit Americans as a whole.

 

[thebigt]

Id bet if the Apple products were 100% manufactured in the USA the retail costs may surpassed greater than the proposed 25% tariffs. With raising minimum wage laws, Unions, insurance, social and medicare costs, etc...less Apple products will be sold and company will sink unless they can work on mastering robotics with Foxconn faster and replace humans as much as possible. Robotics is one hefty investment from research to development, its not easy. Anyways Im all for giving Americans jobs but its not going to work in a government enforced environment and benefit Americans as a whole.

what are the living conditions for the majority of Chinese? I am curious about this....as they seem to have really cheap labor.

 

[ax1]

what are the living conditions for the majority of Chinese? I am curious about this....as they seem to have really cheap labor.

Its alot better than it was 20 years ago. They have 1.3 billion people and now how a middle class bigger than the population of all of America. The country as a whole has come a long way the past 20 years. They are an actively developing country. When my wife was a kid early 80s, late 70s almost everybody was poor and living conditions were fairly outdated for most people, but now that has changed dramatically. You ask for majority, well Ill say again 1.3 billion is alot, but some of their lowest conditions probably competes with places here in the US like Detroit and Chicago, but at least people arent getting shot every day lol

The labor can be cheap....but in local areas you can get away living on the cent compared to the US dollar. These people are still poor and imo of course there is alot of exploitation going on, but they have been and progressively are getting better. Its not possible to give everybody nice living conditions, China itself has been in economic turmoil and uncertainty the past few years. The sad truth is if it wasnt for low cost labor the past few decades China's economic powerhouse would have not seen the light of day at this speed and far more people would be poor. Its complex but thats a quick summary off the top of my head. Its getting better, which is better than getting worse.

 

[justhere4comm]

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[ax1]

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I love the high speed rail there....back in 05 I used to take the overnight train 12 hours from Beijing to Shanghai. Now with the bullet train which I first took in 09 it goes 300mph and I get there in 4.5 hours in time for lunch.

Here in NY we have the MTA which is a living nightmare.

 

[thebigt]

Its alot better than it was 20 years ago. They have 1.3 billion people and now how a middle class bigger than the population of all of America. The country as a whole has come a long way the past 20 years. They are an actively developing country. When my wife was a kid early 80s, late 70s almost everybody was poor and living conditions were fairly outdated for most people, but now that has changed dramatically. You ask for majority, well Ill say again 1.3 billion is alot, but some of their lowest conditions probably competes with places here in the US like Detroit and Chicago, but at least people arent getting shot every day lol

The labor can be cheap....but in local areas you can get away living on the cent compared to the US dollar. These people are still poor and imo of course there is alot of exploitation going on, but they have been and progressively are getting better. Its not possible to give everybody nice living conditions, China itself has been in economic turmoil and uncertainty the past few years. The sad truth is if it wasnt for low cost labor the past few decades China's economic powerhouse would have not seen the light of day at this speed and far more people would be poor. Its complex but thats a quick summary off the top of my head. Its getting better, which is better than getting worse.

southeast asia has come a long way since the 80's also...I remember how poor the people in phillipines were back then, it was awful-I can still see the kids missing arms and legs selling cigarettes. and the sick being left in front of the hospital waiting to die. and the kids at **** river bridge in small boats diving for pesos. I have seen REAL POVERTY!!! when I got back to the states I was never so grateful to be an AMERICAN, and still am!!!

 

[Aleksandar37]

a politician who is for things that will benefit them personally, wow!!!


I bet Bernie is no longer the 'poorest' senator, lol.


trump is as much 'the swamp' as any of them. I support 'most' of his policies, but his methods leave a lot to be desired-in all honesty.

Hey, we agree on something lol. It's a Christmas miracle He wants a "win" in his column, even if it completely screws over the country he's supposed to be helping.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Id bet if the Apple products were 100% manufactured in the USA the retail costs may surpassed greater than the proposed 25% tariffs. With raising minimum wage laws, Unions, insurance, social and medicare costs, etc...less Apple products will be sold and company will sink unless they can work on mastering robotics with Foxconn faster and replace humans as much as possible. Robotics is one hefty investment from research to development, its not easy. Anyways Im all for giving Americans jobs but its not going to work in a government enforced environment and benefit Americans as a whole.

No doubt. If people want cheaper products, the easiest way to do that is find cheap labor. All of the iphone users who want to get on their soap boxes about social issues need to step the **** off. Straight American manufacturing looks good on paper, but it doesn't work. There are ways to keep people employed without completely dismantling global trade.

 

[jimbuick]

Bit of a false premise guiding this current discussion.

China is no longer viewed as a cheap labor source like it once was. The biggest reason products made in the US would be more expensive is scale. We no longer have the industrial capacity or highly-skilled labor force necessary to develop high-quantity electronics like iPhones. That is the real difference today because the initial investment necessary to train those kind of laborers and develop that industrial infrastructure is simply too high to be of benefit.

There are a ton of reports that have been surfacing for the last decade or so about this, if anyone is interested in reading more about it.

I'd expound on this more, but I'm on my way to work right now, so I'll have to leave it there for now.

 

[thebigt]

Bit of a false premise guiding this current discussion.

China is no longer viewed as a cheap labor source like it once was. The biggest reason products made in the US would be more expensive is scale. We no longer have the industrial capacity or highly-skilled labor force necessary to develop high-quantity electronics like iPhones. That is the real difference today because the initial investment necessary to train those kind of laborers and develop that industrial infrastructure is simply too high to be of benefit.

There are a ton of reports that have been surfacing for the last decade or so about this, if anyone is interested in reading more about it.

I'd expound on this more, but I'm on my way to work right now, so I'll have to leave it there for now.

ok, I have been harping on this for quite sometime. pushing 4 college on every tom and jane was a stupid direction to go. we have a bunch of educated kids with no real skills-and a ton of debt....finally the dimwits who run things are realizing what they should have already known, trade schools and on the job training is the direction we need to be going.

 

[jimbuick]

ok, I have been harping on this for quite sometime. pushing 4 college on every tom and jane was a stupid direction to go. we have a bunch of educated kids with no real skills-and a ton of debt....finally the dimwits who run things are realizing what they should have already known, trade schools and on the job training is the direction we need to be going.

That isn't a long-term fix. All of those college educated kids are advancing technology at an unprecedented rate. Investing heavily in a blue-collar workforce would only be a short-term patch. Most of those jobs are being/going to be replaced by automation, probably in my lifetime. When that happens, all of those people would be back in the unemployment line with little-to-no applicable skills once again.

 

[thebigt]

That isn't a long-term fix. All of those college educated kids are advancing technology at an unprecedented rate. Investing heavily in a blue-collar workforce would only be a short-term patch. Most of those jobs are being/going to be replaced by automation, probably in my lifetime. When that happens, all of those people would be back in the unemployment line with little-to-no applicable skills once again.

there is a shortage of plumbers/welders/electricians/carpenters to just name a few and I don't see those skills being replaced any time soon. ...those kids who are unemployed with a 4 year degree have a ton of debt and most will get lower paying jobs than those skilled workers named above.

are those college kids who are advancing technology 4 year degree holders or more advanced degrees?

 

[jimbuick]

there is a shortage of plumbers/welders/electricians/carpenters to just name a few and I don't see those skills being replaced any time soon. ...those kids who are unemployed with a 4 year degree have a ton of debt and most will get lower paying jobs than those skilled workers named above.

Depends on where you live. There is not a shortage of those positions in my area, but I do not doubt there is elsewhere (especially lower population areas). Additionally, I don't know that there is a large enough shortage to employ all of the underemployed college grads in the US.

That is also ignoring how temporary most of that work is. Labor jobs, even skilled labor, are hard on the body. Most people will have an expiration date for that workload that is much earlier than they could afford to retire at.

are those college kids who are advancing technology 4 year degree holders or more advanced degrees?

I'm not sure there is any real way to tell. Most of the bigger tech companies today were founded by guys who either dropped out of college or only held 4-year degrees, for whatever that is worth.

 

[thebigt]

Depends on where you live. There is not a shortage of those positions in my area, but I do not doubt there is elsewhere (especially lower population areas). Additionally, I don't know that there is a large enough shortage to employ all of the underemployed college grads in the US.

That is also ignoring how temporary most of that work is. Labor jobs, even skilled labor, are hard on the body. Most people will have an expiration date for that workload that is much earlier than they could afford to retire at.



I'm not sure there is any real way to tell. Most of the bigger tech companies today were founded by guys who either dropped out of college or only held 4-year degrees, for whatever that is worth.

skilled labor today is not nearly as physically demanding as it once was, plus most guys who have a license in a trade have several people working under that license until they are qualified for their own..most plumbing companies usually only have a few licensed plumbers the rest are in training working under the license of the business-this is common in most if not all of the trades. most union shops have on the job training where you work and earn a decent living while training for license.


how many founders of tech companies are college drop outs or only hold a 4-year degree---I bet the chances of winning powerball are better odds of this happening for most....and besides this makes my point, if you are truly exceptional you will excel no matter education, and if you are below average your chances of excelling in academia are not very good, imo.

 

[ax1]

ok, I have been harping on this for quite sometime. pushing 4 college on every tom and jane was a stupid direction to go. we have a bunch of educated kids with no real skills-and a ton of debt....finally the dimwits who run things are realizing what they should have already known, trade schools and on the job training is the direction we need to be going.

There is a massive problem in China too now, massive amounts of college graduates and not enough demand. To be secure its best to be the top of your class. There are increasingly entrepreneurial opportunities thanks to the internet, but alot of kids do end up riding around delivery mopeds or working as waiters at restaurants.

What JimBuick said was right though, they have a large force of educated and talented workers. China should not be looked as a "cheap labor source" as was years ago as they have come a long way. However there are still alot of problems such as the labor force manually putting iPhones together many of them are lower educated young migrants from the country side looking for work so they can send some money back home to their families. Its really hard conditions. It got so bad at foxconn they had to put up suicide nets to catch jumpers. Not trying to be a total pessimist, if it wasnt for these jobs they would have nothing and they are better than average paying jobs. There are alot of problems there but they are going in a better direction at least.

 

[ax1]

That isn't a long-term fix. All of those college educated kids are advancing technology at an unprecedented rate. Investing heavily in a blue-collar workforce would only be a short-term patch. Most of those jobs are being/going to be replaced by automation, probably in my lifetime. When that happens, all of those people would be back in the unemployment line with little-to-no applicable skills once again.

I noticed alot of educated skilled Chinese moving to Albany NY (our Capital) working some tech jobs by the thousands. Seems like the US cant supply enough people with this kind of talent or something, just a guess.

 

[jimbuick]

skilled labor today is not nearly as physically demanding as it once was, plus most guys who have a license in a trade have several people working under that license until they are qualified for their own..most plumbing companies usually only have a few licensed plumbers the rest are in training working under the license of the business-this is common in most if not all of the trades. most union shops have on the job training where you work and earn a decent living while training for license.


how many founders of tech companies are college drop outs or only hold a 4-year degree---I bet the chances of winning powerball are better odds of this happening for most....and besides this makes my point, if you are truly exceptional you will excel no matter education, and if you are below average your chances of excelling in academia are not very good, imo.

I never said academia was the answer for most people. The problem is that below average people aren't going to succeed in any field because they are below average.

College education gives nothing but a credential to meet minimum requirements for certain careers. It doesn't make people successful. Trade schools are the same, really.

That isn't really my point, though. I'm just trying to point out that our labor problem is more complicated than y'all are acknowledging, and it is only going to get worse as time goes on.

I'm not claiming to have a real solution for this, because I'm not sure what the future will look like or how long it will take us to get there. What I do know, though, is we as a society will have to be open to major policy changes in the future because of automation and AI development.

 

[jimbuick]

I noticed alot of educated skilled Chinese moving to Albany NY (our Capital) working some tech jobs by the thousands. Seems like the US cant supply enough people with this kind of talent or something, just a guess.

It could be a cultural thing or even a product of their education system, but I suspect the most likely reason is simple arithmetic. If 10% of all people born every year are exceptional, then China will always have more exceptional talent than we will because they have more people than we do.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Bit of a false premise guiding this current discussion.

China is no longer viewed as a cheap labor source like it once was. The biggest reason products made in the US would be more expensive is scale. We no longer have the industrial capacity or highly-skilled labor force necessary to develop high-quantity electronics like iPhones. That is the real difference today because the initial investment necessary to train those kind of laborers and develop that industrial infrastructure is simply too high to be of benefit.

There are a ton of reports that have been surfacing for the last decade or so about this, if anyone is interested in reading more about it.

I'd expound on this more, but I'm on my way to work right now, so I'll have to leave it there for now.

Yeah, can you please show me where Chinese labor is no longer seen as cheap compared to hiring US workers?

 

[Aleksandar37]

There is a massive problem in China too now, massive amounts of college graduates and not enough demand. To be secure its best to be the top of your class. There are increasingly entrepreneurial opportunities thanks to the internet, but alot of kids do end up riding around delivery mopeds or working as waiters at restaurants.

What JimBuick said was right though, they have a large force of educated and talented workers. China should not be looked as a "cheap labor source" as was years ago as they have come a long way. However there are still alot of problems such as the labor force manually putting iPhones together many of them are lower educated young migrants from the country side looking for work so they can send some money back home to their families. Its really hard conditions. It got so bad at foxconn they had to put up suicide nets to catch jumpers. Not trying to be a total pessimist, if it wasnt for these jobs they would have nothing and they are better than average paying jobs. There are alot of problems there but they are going in a better direction at least.

Things are better, but cheap labor isn't just about comparing hourly pay. Looking at taxes, cost of keeping up with regulations, employee benefits, etc. would you still not consider them cheaper than what you could do in the US?

 

[jimbuick]

Yeah, can you please show me where Chinese labor is no longer seen as cheap compared to hiring US workers?

Well, first, that isn't quite what I said. Note, I said "like it once was." That is an important qualifier.

But, yes I can support my claims now that I'm home from work.

Here is an analysis on CNN from 2016. It shows that labor in China is only 4% cheaper than in the US.

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This is reporting global survey reports from 2017 that show that executives now view China as the premier global hub for effective supply chains, and not cheap labor.

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And, as a more comprehensive analysis about iPhones, specifically (based on a NYT report that I can no longer access) from The Atlantic in 2012 (labor is more expensive now than in 2012, but even back then it was "only" 10% cheaper in China). They note the larger reasons that companies like Apple are choosing China today, and will likely continue to choose China in the future.


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[Aleksandar37]

Well, first, that isn't quite what I said. Note, I said "like it once was." That is an important qualifier.

But, yes I can support my claims now that I'm home from work.

Here is an analysis on CNN from 2016. It shows that labor in China is only 4% cheaper than in the US.

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This is reporting global survey reports from 2017 that show that executives now view China as the premier global hub for effective supply chains, and not cheap labor.

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And, as a more comprehensive analysis about iPhones, specifically (based on a NYT report that I can no longer access) from The Atlantic in 2012 (labor is more expensive now than in 2012, but even back then it was "only" 10% cheaper in China). They note the larger reasons that companies like Apple are choosing China today, and will likely continue to choose China in the future.


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Lectures me on qualifiers; leaves out the qualifiers from the opinion articles lmao. Do you have actual studies or surveys or did you just mean these articles when you said we were being guided by a "bit of a false premise"? They show some numbers how things have changed, but you can't make claims like "executives now view China as the premier global hub" when it's just one guy being quoted as saying that. If you don't have an actual study, fine, but I assumed you might.

 

[jimbuick]

Lectures me on qualifiers; leaves out the qualifiers from the opinion articles lmao. Do you have actual studies or surveys or did you just mean these articles when you said we were being guided by a "bit of a false premise"? They show some numbers how things have changed, but you can't make claims like "executives now view China as the premier global hub" when it's just one guy being quoted as saying that. If you don't have an actual study, fine, but I assumed you might.

Is that a joke?

The CNN analysis is of a study from Oxford Economics. It's literally in the article.

The CNBC report is of a statistical analysis (a survey of global executives), also mentioned in the article.

The Atlantic report is of an investigative report that quotes Apple Executives reasons for why they choose China.

Seriously, what is your problem dude?

 

[Aleksandar37]

Is that a joke?

The CNN analysis is of a study from Oxford Economics. It's literally in the article.

The CNBC report is of a statistical analysis (a survey of global executives), also mentioned in the article.

The Atlantic report is of an investigative report that quotes Apple Executives reasons for why they choose China.

Seriously, what is your problem dude?

I'm asking a simple question if you have the studies or surveys since you jumped in to tell us that we were going on a false premise. If you don't have them, fine. Life goes on. Why are you getting all upset this time? Maybe China isn't cheap labor. I'm asking for sources which you claimed to have so that I can learn and maybe find out that my thinking is incorrect. So I don't know, why don't you just tell me what my problem is.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Is that a joke?

The CNN analysis is of a study from Oxford Economics. It's literally in the article.

The CNBC report is of a statistical analysis (a survey of global executives), also mentioned in the article.

The Atlantic report is of an investigative report that quotes Apple Executives reasons for why they choose China.

Seriously, what is your problem dude?

I took the time to read the articles you posted. I went back since you said it's "literally in the article" and I still don't see any kind of reference or link to the studies. I don't believe or want CNN's opinion on a study. I want to read the study myself and see what the data says. I guess that means I have a problem.

 

[jimbuick]

I'm asking a simple question if you have the studies or surveys since you jumped in to tell us that we were going on a false premise. If you don't have them, fine. Life goes on. Why are you getting all upset this time? Maybe China isn't cheap labor. I'm asking for sources which you claimed to have so that I can learn and maybe find out that my thinking is incorrect. So I don't know, why don't you just tell me what my problem is.

I provided three for my contributions to this dicussion. You provided zero.

The sources for those reports are all attributed in those links.

I don't know if you know this, but what I am doing is called "contributing to and furthering a discussion." Y'all were discussing why businesses choose China based on the assumption that it was still due to cheap labor (without any references). I stated that is not necessarily the biggest reason why businesses still choose China, and pointed towards scaling because of infrastructure and skilled labor availability. I continued to have productive discussion related to that.

You asked for some further reading and misrepresented my statement. I corrected that misrepresentation and provided further reading to support my initial response. You jumped down my throat for unknown reasons, possibly because you read my response with a combative tone that it was not written with.

 

[jimbuick]

I took the time to read the articles you posted. I went back since you said it's "literally in the article" and I still don't see any kind of reference or link to the studies. I don't believe or want CNN's opinion on a study. I want to read the study myself and see what the data says. I guess that means I have a problem.

You don't see where it says "according to Oxford Economics"? That is a reference.

It provides you the information necessary to find the study by searching the topic and the publisher of the study in search engine if you want further reading. It is a pretty standard procedure for any type of reporting.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I provided three for my contributions to this dicussion. You provided zero.

The sources for those reports are all attributed in those links.

I don't know if you know this, but what I am doing is called "contributing to and furthering a discussion." Y'all were discussing why businesses choose China based on the assumption that it was still due to cheap labor (without any references). I stated that is not necessarily the biggest reason why businesses still choose China, and pointed towards scaling because of infrastructure and skilled labor availability. I continued to have productive discussion related to that.

You asked for some further reading and misrepresented my statement. I corrected that misrepresentation and provided further reading to support my initial response. You jumped down my throat for unknown reasons, possibly because you read my response with a combative tone that it was not written with.

Right, my statement that has the lmao after it and not a single **** word, that I purposely left out because it upsets you, was jumping down your throat. Remember when you said that youngandfree and me can't have a civil conversation because of history and we automatically read bad intent in each others' words. Take a deep ****ing breath and just consider that maybe I was making an attempt at humor about the qualifiers and maybe you see it as me attacking you. Or don't. The sources in those articles are vague like the "Oxford report" as if there is only one in all of history. I do not see a link or a date and author that would help me or anybody else find the actual study which is why I asked you if you knew what it was.