Test Enanthate vs Test Cypionate: The Reckoning

Old Witch

Old Witch

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Test E half life: 4.5 days
Test C half life: 10-12 days

These numbers suggest dosing 250mg of test E 2x/wk and test c 250mg 1x/wk would be the same.

But we know it isn't. In fact the two are considered interchangeable, with no reported difference in result, effect, or side effect when used in the same doses on the same pinning schedule.

What gives? You would think if these numbers really mean what they mean, 500mg test c a week should be giving guys side effects like crazy, where 500mg test e a week would be nearly side free for most. But that's not the case.

I've used both, as if they were equal, and I didn't notice a difference.

So, again, what gives?
 
Old Witch said:
Test E half life: 4.5 days
Test C half life: 10-12 days

These numbers suggest dosing 250mg of test E 2x/wk and test c 250mg 1x/wk would be the same.

But we know it isn't. In fact the two are considered interchangeable, with no reported difference in result, effect, or side effect when used in the same doses on the same pinning schedule.

What gives? You would think if these numbers really mean what they mean, 500mg test c a week should be giving guys side effects like crazy, where 500mg test e a week would be nearly side free for most. But that's not the case.

I've used both, as if they were equal, and I didn't notice a difference.

So, again, what gives?
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Test-C 10-12 days HL?
E-5/C-6/U-14

I use THIS:
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The halflife of cyp is pretty close to the same as enanth. Thats why we find the dosings the same.

Now, we know esters can have different rates of being metabolised in different people; in some people enanthate has a halflife of 10+ days. In others, its half that.

But heres the clincher: whatever rate you metabolise one, is pretty much the rate youll metabolise the other. Ive seen crossover studies demonstrating this.
 
Half life for both is arround 5 days. No difference what so ever between using one or the other.

I'm surprised so many people still believe cypionate and enth have a half life of more than 10 days yikes.

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Propionate and enthanate are equally as strong but not equally as potent. Prop at 100mg is more potent than test e at 100mg /week because of the ester. You'd have to dose enthanate a bit higher to get the same dosage.

100mg prop equals say 90mg of prop while test e at 100mg equals 70 (don't quote me because I'm to lazy to look up the exact amount)

But... Test e should be more anabolic cause of the longer ester and should also add more water. I mean it's really not anything I think most people would notice but it's very common to switch from test e to p at the end of the cycle to decrease bloat.
 
I think it’s the same shyte.

Fun fact : with test c you will reach peak blood levels faster than test p. (But test p is out of your system faster) source: 60+ year old ifbb pro bodybuilder Emeric Delczeg. Also noteworthy: he only ever used test and has not gone above 300mg a week, ever. His cruise is 10mg/ day
 
It's nice to switch to prop at the end, as recovery can start sooner ... It's just that pinning ED is a bit*h :)
 
RickyBlobby said:
I think it’s the same shyte.

Fun fact : with test c you will reach peak blood levels faster than test p. (But test p is out of your system faster) source: 60+ year old ifbb pro bodybuilder Emeric Delczeg. Also noteworthy: he only ever used test and has not gone above 300mg a week, ever. His cruise is 10mg/ day
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Find it very hard to believe that guy. Not only. Is he supposedly (not sure he ever was proven guilty) a supplier to balco which for me as a European knowing the east European market doesn't sound so far fetched. He claims to have been natty during Mr universe and apparently started taking 300mg of test at the age of 40+ and looks like he does.
 
Chados said:
Find it very hard to believe that guy. Not only. Is he supposedly (not sure he ever was proven guilty) a supplier to balco which for me as a European knowing the east European market doesn't sound so far fetched. He claims to have been natty during Mr universe and apparently started taking 300mg of test at the age of 40+ and looks like he does.
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EH, IMO he is one of the most honest and open pros out there. And I've seen natty guys with outstanding genetics look damn near as good as guys who juice. Anyway. We can just agree to disagree :)
 
RickyBlobby said:
EH, IMO he is one of the most honest and open pros out there. And I've seen natty guys with outstanding genetics look damn near as good as guys who juice. Anyway. We can just agree to disagree :)
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Haha sure but aren't they all honest? I mean a little scepticism isn't bad. I'm a firm believer that almost everyone especially in more corrupt countries are cheating in the Olympics, in fact its been proven. Marion Jones was a sweetheart from the US that everybody loved, Lance Armstrong battled cancer, a swedish woman in the 90s was a world record holder and was wildly popular and also got cancer.. They all were seen as amazing people with amazing achievements so I don't find it crazy to believe that a guy that's competing in a sport where steroids are almost legal, from a region that's known to have almost every professional athlete on steroids, was taking something, I mean the police could go to mr Olympia and put all the guys to jail easily. Just the fact that he claims he was natural is obviously a lie.. Look at Mike ohearn, he claims he didn't even touch test and I don't see any reason to call him a liar other than its so obvious just looking at him. Anyone that claims they are natty regardless of physique we really only got their words.
 
Chados said:
Haha sure but aren't they all honest? I mean a little scepticism isn't bad. I'm a firm believer that almost everyone especially in more corrupt countries are cheating in the Olympics, in fact its been proven. Marion Jones was a sweetheart from the US that everybody loved, Lance Armstrong battled cancer, a swedish woman in the 90s was a world record holder and was wildly popular and also got cancer.. They all were seen as amazing people with amazing achievements so I don't find it crazy to believe that a guy that's competing in a sport where steroids are almost legal, from a region that's known to have almost every professional athlete on steroids, was taking something, I mean the police could go to mr Olympia and put all the guys to jail easily. Just the fact that he claims he was natural is obviously a lie.. Look at Mike ohearn, he claims he didn't even touch test and I don't see any reason to call him a liar other than its so obvious just looking at him. Anyone that claims they are natty regardless of physique we really only got their words.
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Fair enough. Regardless of his steroid use he is a wealth of knowledge. Do you follow his Q&A thread on PM?
 
Mike O'Hearn, ha ha. The thing is he must surely be aware that 99% of people know he's full of ****, so I can only assume it's worth it so he can rip-off the remaining 1% that are ignorant or delusional enough to believe him.
 
BarryScott said:
Mike O'Hearn, ha ha. The thing is he must be under no illusions that 99% of people know he's full of ****, so I can only assume it's worth it so he can rip-off the remaining 1% that are ignorant or delusional enough to believe him.
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Yeah but what proof do we have other than he's giant? I mean a grapefruit could look at him and know he's on steroids but still I wouldn't be able to prove it
 
Any1 ever see the natty pics of Kia Greene. At 170lbs he looked better then 90% of guys I know that juice year round. Same with valentino
 
NAC nailed it, the shown data floating around is different because the people in each study happened to be different.

If in a crossover study they found that the same individual would metabolize them equally, then that explains it. The numbers say cyp is twice as long, only because that happened to be the case in a series of tests, where easily one person having an abnormal metabolism could create a much higher mean elimination half life value.
 
I like how lnobody else paid attention to the actual post except two words. I said WHY are they the same when the listed data clearly show cyp having double the half life, not asking if they are, asking why they are.

NAC wins, you all lose.
 
IN reality they both would then have a variable half life anything between 4 and 15 days.
 
Old Witch said:
IN reality they both would then have a variable half life anything between 4 and 15 days.
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Id assume thats also one reason peoples AI needs vary. If we are all dosing roughly the same (2x per wk) but potentially metabolising at various rates, this would contribute to different peak levels, aromatisation, etc
 
Nac said:
Id assume thats also one reason peoples AI needs vary. If we are all dosing roughly the same (2x per wk) but potentially metabolising at various rates, this would contribute to different peak levels, aromatisation, etc
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Yes though that rate of twice per week roughly (for me e3d is best, twice a week in even timing) is shown in studies to provide the most stable levels regardless of the variations in metabolism. So there are some constants.
 
Old Witch said:
I like how lnobody else paid attention to the actual post except two words. I said WHY are they the same when the listed data clearly show cyp having double the half life, not asking if they are, asking why they are.

NAC wins, you all lose.
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I answered that question in post 5. They are the same for all intents and purposes. Both reach peak plasma concentrations at arround 12h post injection and have a terminal half life of 5 days.

"The half-life of testosterone enanthate during absorption phase (t -) was 3.04 h and during elimination phase (t--), it was 111.40 h."

This are actuall measurements of test in blood plasma and not just calculations. Test enth and cyp do not have a 10 or more days half life. I mean even wikipedia cites an 8 day half life period for cyp. Don't know from where that info was taken though... Also there is a difference in half life when it comes to total t and free t. Some studies look at one and some at the other.
 
I also wonder about availability. E is far more common than C in Europe from my experience.
 
Jinsun said:
I answered that question in post 5. They are the same for all intents and purposes. Both reach peak plasma concentrations at arround 12h post injection and have a terminal half life of 5 days.

"The half-life of testosterone enanthate during absorption phase (t -) was 3.04 h and during elimination phase (t--), it was 111.40 h."

This are actuall measurements of test in blood plasma and not just calculations. Test enth and cyp do not have a 10 or more days half life. I mean even wikipedia cites an 8 day half life period for cyp. Don't know from where that info was taken though... Also there is a difference in half life when it comes to total t and free t. Some studies look at one and some at the other.
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Literally none of that factors into the question. If you want wiki numbers, fine.

Wiki says Enth is 4.5 days, and cyp is 8 days. Again, raising the questi N of how one has double the half life yet they are considered same.

You didn't answer the question in the least, because I don't think you even understood what was being asked.


You say they're the same, can't explain why the numbers are different. Why the numbers are different was the question. Not whether they are same.
 
Jinsun said:
I answered that question in post 5. They are the same for all intents and purposes. Both reach peak plasma concentrations at arround 12h post injection and have a terminal half life of 5 days.

"The half-life of testosterone enanthate during absorption phase (t -) was 3.04 h and during elimination phase (t--), it was 111.40 h."

This are actuall measurements of test in blood plasma and not just calculations. Test enth and cyp do not have a 10 or more days half life. I mean even wikipedia cites an 8 day half life period for cyp. Don't know from where that info was taken though... Also there is a difference in half life when it comes to total t and free t. Some studies look at one and some at the other.
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Actually they both have a half life of anything between 4 and 16 days if you look at actual elimination checkpoints on a line graph from multiple people. Median rate would b 8 days, but the average rate would also be a different number, likely 6 days...

Remember, these esters and trials are partly marketing oriented, to show one compound to be equal or superior in favor of selling more. If they can fudge up a test that says it has a lengthy half life, they will.

The reason why the numbers of each averaged out are different is purely circumstance, because of that wide window, any 20-200 people could be eliminating the compound at any rates. If they're old, even more likely to have an extended half life as the elimination of toxins is diminished at an advanced age for most animals.
 
Old Witch said:
I like how lnobody else paid attention to the actual post except two words. I said WHY are they the same when the listed data clearly show cyp having double the half life, not asking if they are, asking why they are.

NAC wins, you all lose.
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Sorry I didn't realize you were hosting a contest.
 
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