TestE/NPP Cycle

TomGreen

TomGreen

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Experienced steroid user, but will be my first time with NPP. Ill be doing 12 weeks TestE and 8 weeks NPP. In my past Test/Deca cycles ive done 500-600 test and 300 deca. On my last tren cycle tho i dropped my test lower and kept the tren high and had much better results and less side effects. Was thinking about doing the same here, like 300-400 test and 300 NPP, and then probably upping the test after the 8 weeks. Any thoughts? And also any thoughts on MK-677, was thinking about adding that in, ive heard good things. Hoping to gain at least 15lbs, really gonna be eating for 20lbs tho. So just any comments with your experience or input would be awesome!
Thanks
 
Just watch your BP, RBC count and prolactin. Have caber at hand. MK-677 shines in a long run.
 
Generally speaking, deca has approx 75% bioavailibility, and NPP has approx 50%. These numbers will vary depending on pin/dose volume, and where you pin (glutes sh1t on delts, pun intended).

So, whatever dose youve used of deca, Id aim for that plus another 50% for NPP. This actually aligns with my own experiences of both.

Also, though you could pin NPP split 2-3x per week, youd be better off doing smaller & more frequent doses of it (maximise bioavailibility). Eod would be ideal, esp if youre using decent amounts of other compounds.
 
Nac said:
Generally speaking, deca has approx 75% bioavailibility, and NPP has approx 50%. These numbers will vary depending on pin/dose volume, and where you pin (glutes sh1t on delts, pun intended).

So, whatever dose youve used of deca, Id aim for that plus another 50% for NPP. This actually aligns with my own experiences of both.

Also, though you could pin NPP split 2-3x per week, youd be better off doing smaller & more frequent doses of it (maximise bioavailibility). Eod would be ideal, esp if youre using decent amounts of other compounds.
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Thanks for the tip. I was planning on 100mg MWF, but maybe ill get another bottle and up the dosage.
 
TomGreen said:
Thanks for the tip. I was planning on 100mg MWF, but maybe ill get another bottle and up the dosage.
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Youll likely get gainz on 300mg. My numbers have been based on pharmokinetic studies comparing deca blood levels to NPP, plus my own runs with them. Deca is definitely more potent mg-for-mg.
 
Nac said:
Generally speaking, deca has approx 75% bioavailibility, and NPP has approx 50%. These numbers will vary depending on pin/dose volume, and where you pin (glutes sh1t on delts, pun intended).

So, whatever dose youve used of deca, Id aim for that plus another 50% for NPP. This actually aligns with my own experiences of both.

Also, though you could pin NPP split 2-3x per week, youd be better off doing smaller & more frequent doses of it (maximise bioavailibility). Eod would be ideal, esp if youre using decent amounts of other compounds.
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Wait, ur claiming bioavalability injecting in glutes is greater than that of injecting into the delt? Isnt it all the same given its all still going into your bloodstream? Would this mean IM injecting has lower bioavailability the sub q? Most everyone says it doesnt matter?
 
Davy25 said:
Wait, ur claiming bioavalability injecting in glutes is greater than that of injecting into the delt?
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Yes, that was what researchers found with the nandrolone study. This may not apply to all AAS, but I dont know why it would be unique to nandrolone.

Now, my opinion, studies can show ideal conditions but in the real world we also have to balance what is practical. For example, you may want to mimise scar tissue buildup so choose to pin many sites, and so on.

Isnt it all the same given its all still going into your bloodstream?
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The compound must leave the depot site first, and esterase cleave the ester Id imagine before the compound is considered "active". Maybe this process is more efficient depending on pin/depot site.

Would this mean IM injecting has lower bioavailability the sub q? Most everyone says it doesnt matter?
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I dont know, maybe at the doses we use it doesnt really matter. Plus, like I said, we have to balance what is ideal with what is practical. All I know is the nandrolone studies show differences in bioavailibility depending on ester, pin site, and pin volume (but all pins were IM). Some of these variables gel with my own experiences.
 
Yea im seeing 400mg is more likely a better dosage of the npp. Will go ahead and take 400 instead of 300. just need to see what the grams per mL is, if ill need another bottle.
 
300 test 4-600 NPP. Plus caber and AI on hand.

I think an EQ run would be significantly cheaper (compound is cheaper plus caber is expensive), meaning you can run higher doses for the money. Something to consider.
 
RickyBlobby said:
300 test 4-600 NPP. Plus caber and AI on hand.

I think an EQ run would be significantly cheaper (compound is cheaper plus caber is expensive), meaning you can run higher doses for the money. Something to consider.
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Thanks I'll keep that in mind. I ran EQ once before and actually liked it a lot, results werent too crazy but they were good. My main reason for trying NPP is the ability to run a shorter cycle with a faster recovery. Ive gotten to the point where i even really like test only cycles because i like the low stress on the body and the easy recovery after and I don't lose much after or have a big drop off, maybe kickstarted with dbol but Im over doing that to my liver lol. Im hoping here with the NPP@8-10 weeks and the test@12 weeks, i can put on more size and not have such a drawn out recovery phase when off, so i can cycle more frequent. I liked Deca's ability to put on size but wasnt a fan of my face looking enormous and how long it stays in the system, so hoping to avoid those somewhat while still benefiting from big weight gain. But my eating will be insane, really trying for a minimum of 20lbs.
 
To anyone who is curious, Im just a little over 2 weeks on my 500 test 400 NPP cycle, and so far its the greatest start to a cycle ive ever had. Im believing the hype on NPP. Kicked in faster and stronger than dbol, and getting the same strength boost as when ive kickstarted with Anadrol, without the brutal liver toxicity and lethargy. Im up over 12lbs already, and strength is through the roof. after 10 days on i felt the boost and my dumbell shoulder press went from 90x6 to 90x12, and added 20lbs to my bench with same number of reps. My goal was to get to 205 by end of cycle and im hitting that mid day already, so gonna shoot for 215.
 
TomGreen said:
To anyone who is curious, Im just a little over 2 weeks on my 500 test 400 NPP cycle, and so far its the greatest start to a cycle ive ever had. Im believing the hype on NPP. Kicked in faster and stronger than dbol, and getting the same strength boost as when ive kickstarted with Anadrol, without the brutal liver toxicity and lethargy. Im up over 12lbs already, and strength is through the roof. after 10 days on i felt the boost and my dumbell shoulder press went from 90x6 to 90x12, and added 20lbs to my bench with same number of reps. My goal was to get to 205 by end of cycle and im hitting that mid day already, so gonna shoot for 215.
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How are you splitting up your doses?
 
Update: I finished the 8 weeks of NPP at the beginning of February. Still running test through the month. Weight went from 178 all the ay up to 207, but leveled off at morning weight hovering around 203. So a lot of size. Very noticeable, and amazing pumps. I did have bloat, not as crazy as deca but was still there. When i came off there was a little bit of a crash for about 4 days, libido was extremely low and erections were no where to be found lol, but bounced back after a few days because still just running test.

I was eating very high carb so got a little thick in the mid section. Decided to get a jump start on getting some of it off, so while im on the test ive started intermittent fasting, its been about 3 weeks. Empty stomach morning weight now at 196. Stomach much smaller. All the bloat from the NPP is gone, face is back to being pretty haha. Strength basically the same, maybe 1 rep down.

Overall conclusion for NPP: Starts working fast, limited side effects, great size and strength, and nothing feels heavy..even a 1 rep max doesnt feel heavy. Joints feel great, no erection or libido problems while on. It is not as badass as Tren ACE, doesnt trim your waist and make you vascular and pumped 24/7 even while gaining lots of size, BUT you have good sleep, arent paranoid, and dont have that feeling of "this isnt healthy" like you do on tren. Would for sure never take deca again. Same results but come in way faster, and body didnt have the same crash after as deca. Everything is accelerated. And skin stayed really clear, i think because you are keeping your levels more normalized with EOD shots. Would highly recommentd, and to anyone deciding between DECA and NPP id say it isnt even a choice 100% go NPP.
 
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