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GHRP-2 and CJC1295 w/o dac, specific question

JExcaliber

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On the 13th I have GHRP-2 and CJC1295 no dac arriving. I’ll be doing 80mcg (I’m light), of each spread 3x daily, will possibly up to 100 after I get a feel of it. I did the research on taking it after not eating for a good hour or two and not eating after for 30minutes or so, obviously starting with one when I wake up, all that stuff. I’ll do a 6 month cycle so I at least get to a point where I’m feeling the true effects of it.

Having said that, here’s the point of my post: I got 2 vials of ghrp-2, that’ll last me a coupleish fewish weeks, by then I’ll have more coming to continue. The issue is, for financial reasons I only have one vial of CJC coming which will last one week (I know it’s cheap but I’m transferring from a JC in NorCal to CSU Northridge so I need to stick to a budget). I won’t be able to order more until week 3 when I order more ghrp-2. I really want/kinda need to start on the 13th because of the cycle timing with things I just have coming up in life. I know it’s generally safe to continuously run it but this is my first cycle injecting anything so I think it’s irrational to commit to continuous use yet.

My question is: is it okay to miss out on those 2 1/2 ish weeks of the CJC?

From what I’ve read I would assume the answer is yes, it’s okay, it won’t harm me in any way, I just won’t feel as much, which I wouldn’t really be feeling much at 3 weeks anyway. If I could get any criticism or confirmation of that question from people with experience that’d be great.



Thanks in advance for any responses.
 
You won't be feeling much at 3 weeks, but stopping right there will just mean it'll take another couple weeks to get them going synergistically again. I personally would wait until you have enough for 4-6 weeks continuously. Or just take the CJC twice a day to prolong it, take a day off each week, etc.
 
Just get your cjc in order Before you start.
Ghrp alone isn't worth it in my opinion.
You want the combo.
Also i suggest cjcDAC and mk677 instead.
It will blow doors on noDAC ghrp-2 combo and its easier.
Probably cheaper.
 
Cgkone said:
Just get your cjc in order Before you start.
Ghrp alone isn't worth it in my opinion.
You want the combo.
Also i suggest cjcDAC and mk677 instead.
It will blow doors on noDAC ghrp-2 combo and its easier.
Probably cheaper.
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I second this to an extent.

I would just do mk-677 by itself; it's a lot better and cheaper. The cjc w/dac is expensive when running the more optimal dosage and at that point you can just get HGH which is way better. Also note the sides on cjc w /dac under bare min dosage were not pleasant. Real high blood pressure, superbad lethargic (even on trt), among other weird funkiness. I pulled that from my cycle early because I knew I had to... There other people who had the same issue as me and have also stopped. There no harm trying the cjc w/dac as everyone a bit different. Just pay attention to the sides etc.

As other have mention just wait till you have everything needed to run your cycle.
 
rascal14 said:
You won't be feeling much at 3 weeks, but stopping right there will just mean it'll take another couple weeks to get them going synergistically again. I personally would wait until you have enough for 4-6 weeks continuously. Or just take the CJC twice a day to prolong it, take a day off each week, etc.
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That crossed my mind as well. Spreading the doses til I get enough for the full cycle. I was actually able to order another vial of CJC earlier today. I think I’ll listen and just wait a few weeks, at that point I’ll be able to get the first 8 weeks of each, then at 4 weeks I’ll be able to get another 8 weeks worth, so on and so forth.
 
Cgkone said:
Just get your cjc in order Before you start.
Ghrp alone isn't worth it in my opinion.
You want the combo.
Also i suggest cjcDAC and mk677 instead.
It will blow doors on noDAC ghrp-2 combo and its easier.
Probably cheaper.
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You guys are right, I’m going to just wait til I can get the first 8 weeks and then start. At that point I’ll be able to get 8 weeks worth of stuff every 4 weeks so I’ll stay 4 weeks ahead. I’ve read in many posts that cjcDAC causes a constant bleed of gh as opposed to w/o DAC which creates pulses of gh more similar to our natural releases but more released. What are your thoughts on this?
 
Admin_Error said:
I second this to an extent.

I would just do mk-677 by itself; it's a lot better and cheaper. The cjc w/dac is expensive when running the more optimal dosage and at that point you can just get HGH which is way better. Also note the sides on cjc w /dac under bare min dosage were not pleasant. Real high blood pressure, superbad lethargic (even on trt), among other weird funkiness. I pulled that from my cycle early because I knew I had to... There other people who had the same issue as me and have also stopped. There no harm trying the cjc w/dac as everyone a bit different. Just pay attention to the sides etc.

As other have mention just wait till you have everything needed to run your cycle.
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It’s the cjc W/O dac I have on the way. I’ve gathered that the sides are more mild w/o dac?
 
I can tell you one thing. Peptides are legit replacements for real HGH. I injected 100mcg each of ghrp-2 and cjc no dac 30 min before a blood test, and my GH level was 31 out of a range of 1-4. That was from ugpeptides which is no longer in business
 
JExcaliber said:
You guys are right, I’m going to just wait til I can get the first 8 weeks and then start. At that point I’ll be able to get 8 weeks worth of stuff every 4 weeks so I’ll stay 4 weeks ahead. I’ve read in many posts that cjcDAC causes a constant bleed of gh as opposed to w/o DAC which creates pulses of gh more similar to our natural releases but more released. What are your thoughts on this?
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CjcDAC/mk677 is hands down the best way to get elevated GH levels besides real GH.
I was concerned with the bleed at one point also. But I've ran tons of peps and 5xs aday on an empty to achieve proper results is difficult. You can add no DAC pre workout and pre bedtime. But 10mg DAC a week and mk677 25mg ED had my levels the same as 2ius of pharma GH.
I opt for generic GH out of convienence and price but peptide combos that are legit work really good.
 
JExcaliber said:
It’s the cjc W/O dac I have on the way. I’ve gathered that the sides are more mild w/o dac?
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Sides are actually more with out DAC. The flush and hunger are immediate.
Just experiment and be patient, it takes a while. Slow and steady.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I can tell you one thing. Peptides are legit replacements for real HGH. I injected 100mcg each of ghrp-2 and cjc no dac 30 min before a blood test, and my GH level was 31 out of a range of 1-4. That was from ugpeptides which is no longer in business
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I believe that 100%
 
Cgkone said:
CjcDAC/mk677 is hands down the best way to get elevated GH levels besides real GH.
I was concerned with the bleed at one point also. But I've ran tons of peps and 5xs aday on an empty to achieve proper results is difficult. You can add no DAC pre workout and pre bedtime. But 10mg DAC a week and mk677 25mg ED had my levels the same as 2ius of pharma GH.
I opt for generic GH out of convienence and price but peptide combos that are legit work really good.
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Okay that makes sense and sounds much more practical for life as you said.


I’ve read about the gh bleed creating prolactin effects. Do you have any knowledge regarding this?


I ask because I’ve had gyno surgery before, I got it when I was a dumb 18 yr old and just googled how to get big and found halo and Mdrol, had no idea about the **** or pct or anything, holy **** right. So even though I know about that stuff now I’m still paranoid. I run 20mg aromasin(I get capsules) e3d during cycles no matter what. That dosage keeps me right but doesn’t make me lethargic.

I could definitely be wrong but my understanding is that for the prolactin to have a gyno effect, active e must be present, and that since aromasin is suicide inhibitor it helps stop that process. But I don’t want to be running aromasin for that long.
 
JExcaliber said:
Okay that makes sense and sounds much more practical for life as you said.


I’ve read about the gh bleed creating prolactin effects. Do you have any knowledge regarding this?


I ask because I’ve had gyno surgery before, I got it when I was a dumb 18 yr old and just googled how to get big and found halo and Mdrol, had no idea about the **** or pct or anything, holy **** right. So even though I know about that stuff now I’m still paranoid. I run 20mg aromasin(I get capsules) e3d during cycles no matter what. That dosage keeps me right but doesn’t make me lethargic.

I could definitely be wrong but my understanding is that for the prolactin to have a gyno effect, active e must be present, and that since aromasin is suicide inhibitor it helps stop that process. But I don’t want to be running aromasin for that long.
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Peptides and GH all have the possibility to increase prolactin. Inhibit-p is enough for low dose peps. But I'd get prami or caber.
I need prolactin support on just mk677. It kills my libido. And prami turns me into a perverted animal
 
Cgkone said:
Peptides and GH all have the possibility to increase prolactin. Inhibit-p is enough for low dose peps. But I'd get prami or caber.
I need prolactin support on just mk677. It kills my libido. And prami turns me into a perverted animal
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I thought hexarelin, MGF, and igf1 did not increase prolactin in studies.
 
JExcaliber said:
Okay that makes sense and sounds much more practical for life as you said.


I’ve read about the gh bleed creating prolactin effects. Do you have any knowledge regarding this?


I ask because I’ve had gyno surgery before, I got it when I was a dumb 18 yr old and just googled how to get big and found halo and Mdrol, had no idea about the **** or pct or anything, holy **** right. So even though I know about that stuff now I’m still paranoid. I run 20mg aromasin(I get capsules) e3d during cycles no matter what. That dosage keeps me right but doesn’t make me lethargic.

I could definitely be wrong but my understanding is that for the prolactin to have a gyno effect, active e must be present, and that since aromasin is suicide inhibitor it helps stop that process. But I don’t want to be running aromasin for that long.
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Oh and prolactin gyno isn't effected by AIs
Peptides shouldn't increase E2 so you should be in the clear as far as gyno
(I'm not sure about prolactin not turning into gyno as long as E2 is low) you need estrogen to grow. I hate crashed E so I just control P.
 
Cgkone said:
Ghrp do and GHRH do. I think your right about mgf and igf. But hexarelin I think is a ghrp . I could be wrong about hex
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Hex is a GHRP, but it only lasts three hours. Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe it was only insulin which was unaffected. I know for sure its unique in that aspect at least but I thought prolactin was also unaffected. I know it's best used preworkout only, as well. I found that out from a top pro I can't name. It's actually the best one for that. Hit the hex and then just swell up the whole time you're in the gym... He was using igf1-lr3 in the morning, igf1-des and hex together preworkout, with some MGF site injections after training. I had to say he looks like it works.
 
Old Witch said:
Hex is a GHRP, but it only lasts three hours. Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe it was only insulin which was unaffected. I know for sure its unique in that aspect at least but I thought prolactin was also unaffected. I know it's best used preworkout only, as well. I found that out from a top pro I can't name. It's actually the best one for that. Hit the hex and then just swell up the whole time you're in the gym... He was using igf1-lr3 in the morning, igf1-des and hex together preworkout, with some MGF site injections after training. I had to say he looks like it works.
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Hmmm. I've never tried it pre workout.
It makes me so hungry I wouldn't make it through a workout.
 
Cgkone said:
CjcDAC/mk677 is hands down the best way to get elevated GH levels besides real GH.
I was concerned with the bleed at one point also. But I've ran tons of peps and 5xs aday on an empty to achieve proper results is difficult. You can add no DAC pre workout and pre bedtime. But 10mg DAC a week and mk677 25mg ED had my levels the same as 2ius of pharma GH.
I opt for generic GH out of convienence and price but peptide combos that are legit work really good.
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It's a good combo for sure, but for me and most guys I know that tried adding cjc w/dac (under min dosage) with mk-677 caused real high blood pressure, superbad lethargic (even on trt for me), among other weird funkiness. I pulled it for that reason alone. MK-677 alone tho is awesome, but im on trt so it make it even better!

If you didn't get those side especially on that dosage congrats! Now to run that dosage to its pricey and as you know at that price point you can just get HGH.

Also note that mk-677 @ 25mg a day alone for puts me @ 4ui ish above my IGF-1 baseline. I think for OP mk-677 can save a lot more money and have a solid run on just mk-677 alone.
 
Admin_Error said:
It's a good combo for sure, but for me and most guys I know that tried adding cjc w/dac (under min dosage) with mk-677 caused real high blood pressure, superbad lethargic (even on trt for me), among other weird funkiness. I pulled it for that reason alone. MK-677 alone tho is awesome, but im on trt so it make it even better!

If you didn't get those side especially on that dosage congrats! Now to run that dosage to its pricey and as you know at that price point you can just get HGH.

Also note that mk-677 @ 25mg a day alone for puts me @ 4ui ish above my IGF-1 baseline. I think for OP mk-677 can save a lot more money and have a solid run on just mk-677 alone.
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There are really good bulk deals on cjc from certain peptide companies that make 5mg a week DAC and mk677 pretty affordable.
But yes lethargy and hunger present. But healing time and growing are doubled stacking mk/DAC maybe even tripled.
 
Cgkone said:
Peptides and GH all have the possibility to increase prolactin. Inhibit-p is enough for low dose peps. But I'd get prami or caber.
I need prolactin support on just mk677. It kills my libido. And prami turns me into a perverted animal
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Lmao okay. I have read a bit on caber. It says even for regular medical use it’s ran for at least 6 months so I’ll be able to run it through the whole cycle. Since I will be running caber with it, it wouldn’t make sense to worry about aromasin then since ghrp-2/cjc1295 don’t affect test or estrogen levels. As long as the prolactin is in control my breasteseses will be unaffected. Is that correct?
 
Cgkone said:
There are really good bulk deals on cjc from certain peptide companies that make 5mg a week DAC and mk677 pretty affordable.
But yes lethargy and hunger present. But healing time and growing are doubled stacking mk/DAC maybe even tripled.
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Still way pricey for the 5mg cjc w/dac. For 100ui of grey top its $160 out the door. What would you rather have peptide or HGH especially at that price? mk-677 never gave me any type lethargy, or hurgner issue etc. Cjc w/dac on the other had was a clear no go for me tho.

MK-677 standalone @ a 4ui increase is excellent ( I have full set of test to prove).. That still excellent recovery, healing time, sleep etc. I still stand with due to price of cjc w/dac to run @ optimal dosage, along with the sides. Not worth it. Rather just grab actual HGH.
 
Admin_Error said:
Still way pricey for the 5mg cjc w/dac. For 100ui of grey top its $160 out the door. What would you rather have peptide or HGH especially at that price? mk-677 never gave me any type lethargy, or hurgner issue etc. Cjc w/dac on the other had was a clear no go for me tho.

MK-677 standalone @ a 4ui increase is excellent ( I have full set of test to prove).. That still excellent recovery, healing time, sleep etc. I still stand with due to price of cjc w/dac to run @ optimal dosage, along with the sides. Not worth it. Rather just grab actual HGH.
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Can you pm me . im interested in those grey tops if there is some testing or lots of solid reviews.
 
Admin_Error said:
Still way pricey for the 5mg cjc w/dac. For 100ui of grey top its $160 out the door. What would you rather have peptide or HGH especially at that price? mk-677 never gave me any type lethargy, or hurgner issue etc. Cjc w/dac on the other had was a clear no go for me tho.

MK-677 standalone @ a 4ui increase is excellent ( I have full set of test to prove).. That still excellent recovery, healing time, sleep etc. I still stand with due to price of cjc w/dac to run @ optimal dosage, along with the sides. Not worth it. Rather just grab actual HGH.
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Also mk677 will not bring everybody up to that level. 5 ius a day healed my shoulder and blew me up. Nothing even close to mk677 alone. 10mg DAC + mk677 was close . I've read your 4iu stuff. Its very interesting but.........very rare of a result to get from just mk677.
Also GH levels AND igf levels need to be elevated. Did that happen with mk677?
 
Cgkone said:
Can you pm me . im interested in those grey tops if there is some testing or lots of solid reviews.
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I may be able to point to the right direction later via pm. Maybe. I haven't used them yet, but have seen the blood work, its legit.

There sold out atm, because a person sent out a vial to an independent lab to test via HPLC came back at 99.99 purity etc.

Cgkone said:
Also mk677 will not bring everybody up to that level. 5 ius a day healed my shoulder and blew me up. Nothing even close to mk677 alone. 10mg DAC + mk677 was close . I've read your 4iu stuff. Its very interesting but.........very rare of a result to get from just mk677.
Also GH levels AND igf levels need to be elevated. Did that happen with mk677?
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Tregar had a 4ui gain. Then held onto 3.5ui gain for 8 months. Still very good. I have a buddy that I put on it and is doing great to. I have good solid, but steady fat loss and gains etc. Everyone a bit different yes, but it still solid solo in most.

Yes and no to the GH levels. It did do a small bump, but nothing like wow. I don't really rely on the GH test as it's not an accurate test method hence also the no part. I am more concerned with IGF-1 levels + my binding proteins over GH. I have also started to test Growth hormone binding protein as that tells more more than GH test. On that test I have made improvements.

More info on the GH part: Quote: "MK-677 results in long, sustainable effects on the GH-IGF-I axis. It causes the set point of the CNS neuro-secretory system to rise over time and changes the baseline. It takes longer to kick into effect, and lasts longer, causing a more sustainable effect on this axis."

So to so sum this up yes it does increase GH levels over time, I just wasn't on it for to long, only 3 months. Mk-677 overall effect / benefits takes time to build up. Not to mention there are better test then just GH.

I'd like to know this from you.

How long on mk-677 alone, dosage, and do you have blood work showing any numbers?

How long on mk-677 + cjc w/dac and do you have blood work showing any numbers?

Hey just post in my thread, we can discuss more stuff there if needed. Haa no need for use to hijack op thread!
 
Admin_Error said:
I may be able to point to the right direction later via pm. Maybe. I haven't used them yet, but have seen the blood work, its legit.

There sold out atm, because a person sent out a vial to an independent lab to test via HPLC came back at 99.99 purity etc.



Tregar had a 4ui gain. Then held onto 3.5ui gain for 8 months. Still very good. I have a buddy that I put on it and is doing great to. I have good solid, but steady fat loss and gains etc. Everyone a bit different yes, but it still solid solo in most.

Yes and no to the GH levels. It did do a small bump, but nothing like wow. I don't really rely on the GH test as it's not an accurate test method hence also the no part. I am more concerned with IGF-1 levels + my binding proteins over GH. I have also started to test Growth hormone binding protein as that tells more more than GH test. On that test I have made improvements.

More info on the GH part: Quote: "MK-677 results in long, sustainable effects on the GH-IGF-I axis. It causes the set point of the CNS neuro-secretory system to rise over time and changes the baseline. It takes longer to kick into effect, and lasts longer, causing a more sustainable effect on this axis."

So to so sum this up yes it does increase GH levels over time, I just wasn't on it for to long, only 3 months. Mk-677 overall effect / benefits takes time to build up. Not to mention there are better test then just GH.

I'd like to know this from you.

How long on mk-677 alone, dosage, and do you have blood work showing any numbers?

How long on mk-677 + cjc w/dac and do you have blood work showing any numbers?

Hey just post in my thread, we can discuss more stuff there if needed. Haa no need for use to hijack op thread!
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No bloods on just mk677 but I ran it for like 9 months straight. I added cjc nodac at 6months . then cjcDAC/mk677 for 3 months and was blowing up and shreading. Got bloods right before I jumped on GH ill find them. I used it as a baseline for someone who sponsored me to run his GH.
Im all for mk677 but you add a ghrh and it becomes magic
 
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