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Tbol solo

YoungThor

YoungThor

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Have any of you ran tbol solo? What was your experience like? Did you run into issues from not having a test base?

I’m asking because I plan on running an 8 week tbol cycle early next year. I’m thinking of using 30 or 40 mg to bulk up a bit. What are your opinions on proper dose for tbol? Thanks.
 
YoungThor said:
Have any of you ran tbol solo? What was your experience like? Did you run into issues from not having a test base?

I’m asking because I plan on running an 8 week tbol cycle early next year. I’m thinking of using 30 or 40 mg to bulk up a bit. What are your opinions on proper dose for tbol? Thanks.
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I still haven't ran Tbol, but I have almost ordered it several times, and may buy it in a few days..... If I can resist Var this time.
Dosage looks a little low to me. AnabolicGuru would be a good one to talk to. He ran it with good results. Although I'm pretty sure he ran Test as a base.
 
Renew1 said:
I still haven't ran Tbol, but I have almost ordered it several times, and may buy it in a few days..... If I can resist Var this time.
Dosage looks a little low to me. AnabolicGuru would be a good one to talk to. He ran it with good results. Although I'm pretty sure he ran Test as a base.
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I think I’ll buy enough to run up to 50 or 60 mg just in case my body tolerates it well and I want to go higher. I think AnabolicGuru mentioned he ran it solo once. I’m sure he’ll pop in here to talk about it when he gets a chance.

And from what I’ve learned tbol would be a better choice than var if your looking to bulk. And you’d save some money too.
 
I'm also interested in running tbol solo for a bulk next year (as one potential option). I found a few logs where people got results with 40mg.
 
this guy Invalid Link Removed logged a t bol only cycle where he ran it for like 8 weeks I think with nothing else. His baseline test went from like 400 to a 100 or so he did pct of clomid for only 2 weeks; then 2 months post pct hes been at the same weight as he was after the t bol cycle and now running sustanon. Also he got his bloodchecked before the sustanon cycle to see where he was and his test is higher than his baseline before; maybe clomid jacked his test up who knows.
 
I ran it at 40mg for 25 days as a kickstarter to a test e cycle. Considering that the test takes a while to have effect, I think it’s safe to say that most of my results came solely from the tbol. It’s my favorite oral I’ve tried so far (I’ve tried epistane, msten, and dmz). The side effects were non-existent for me personally. Bench went from 225x12 to 225x23 and 275x2 to 275x7. Gained about 10.5lbs of mass, with minimal bloat. The pumps on it were far better than I’ve noticed from any other compound. Traps and delts really popped out while on it as well. I think that if I had bought enough to run a higher dose, that 50-60mg would’ve definitely been better, and I would aim for 6 weeks. It’s not going to blow you up like crazy, but I think it’s one of the most balanced and underrated compounds that I’ve yet to try. I did run a cycle log on it as well, which I can tag a link to if anyone is interested.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I ran it at 40mg for 25 days as a kickstarter to a test e cycle. Considering that the test takes a while to have effect, I think it’s safe to say that most of my results came solely from the tbol. It’s my favorite oral I’ve tried so far (I’ve tried epistane, msten, and dmz). The side effects were non-existent for me personally. Bench went from 225x12 to 225x23 and 275x2 to 275x7. Gained about 10.5lbs of mass, with minimal bloat. The pumps on it were far better than I’ve noticed from any other compound. Traps and delts really popped out while on it as well. I think that if I had bought enough to run a higher dose, that 50-60mg would’ve definitely been better, and I would aim for 6 weeks. It’s not going to blow you up like crazy, but I think it’s one of the most balanced and underrated compounds that I’ve yet to try. I did run a cycle log on it as well, which I can tag a link to if anyone is interested.
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Also, forgot to mention that I had my cholesterol tested shortly after running the tbol and my cholesterol came back at 123, which was better than prior to running it. Unfortunately I didn’t have ldl and hdl tested as well.
 
Tbol will probably not do a whole lot more than add strength and vascularity, it may add a bit of size but nothing dramatic. I used it as a kick starter and really only noticed the strength and vascularity from it. I got horrible back pumps that would not go away no matter how much water, potassium, taurine, etc I took.
 
I've seen a lot of people's using tbol solo. Personally I would use a little HCG with a longer running oral.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I ran it at 40mg for 25 days as a kickstarter to a test e cycle. Considering that the test takes a while to have effect, I think it’s safe to say that most of my results came solely from the tbol. It’s my favorite oral I’ve tried so far (I’ve tried epistane, msten, and dmz). The side effects were non-existent for me personally. Bench went from 225x12 to 225x23 and 275x2 to 275x7. Gained about 10.5lbs of mass, with minimal bloat. The pumps on it were far better than I’ve noticed from any other compound. Traps and delts really popped out while on it as well. I think that if I had bought enough to run a higher dose, that 50-60mg would’ve definitely been better, and I would aim for 6 weeks. It’s not going to blow you up like crazy, but I think it’s one of the most balanced and underrated compounds that I’ve yet to try. I did run a cycle log on it as well, which I can tag a link to if anyone is interested.
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yeah I would liek to see a link; also what you think about running Var and Tbol together; 25mg Var and 40 mg of Tbol for like 6 weeks? Or should I just add in test in that mix; or HCG? HCG does maintain testicular function but it also does shut your pituitary down, but pituitary does recover alot fast than testicular atrophy.
 
50Magnum said:
yeah I would liek to see a link; also what you think about running Var and Tbol together; 25mg Var and 40 mg of Tbol for like 6 weeks? Or should I just add in test in that mix; or HCG? HCG does maintain testicular function but it also does shut your pituitary down, but pituitary does recover alot fast than testicular atrophy.
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Not really sure. Haven’t ran var personally.
 
I never ran it solo, but I used it to kickstart my current cycle. Ran at 40mg a day, gained size and strength in a hurry. 10lbs in 5 weeks, no bloat. As soon as I got off I'm struggling to gain. Wish I bought enough to run longer. I personally had much better results and no sides with tbol then when I tried kickstarting last cycle with dbol. I know tbol is supposed to be weaker but I had better results.
 
Codybenz said:
I never ran it solo, but I used it to kickstart my current cycle. Ran at 40mg a day, gained size and strength in a hurry. 10lbs in 5 weeks, no bloat. As soon as I got off I'm struggling to gain. Wish I bought enough to run longer. I personally had much better results and no sides with tbol then when I tried kickstarting last cycle with dbol. I know tbol is supposed to be weaker but I had better results.
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Hell yea, glad to see somebody else responded well to it also
 
I ran Tbol as a kick starter and loved it. Used it for 30 days at 50mgs/day and upped it to 100mgs/per day for the last 5 days and never experienced any negative sides. Great gradual gains in size and strength. I powerlift so I don't really track weight in the off season but I noticed the size difference starting around week 3. I am currently running it now to finish my current cycle. I'm running it at 100mgs/day with Proviron at 100mgs/day along side my test. Only 3 days in to a 4 week run so I'll update once I'm a little further in.
 
50Magnum said:
yeah I would liek to see a link; also what you think about running Var and Tbol together; 25mg Var and 40 mg of Tbol for like 6 weeks? Or should I just add in test in that mix; or HCG? HCG does maintain testicular function but it also does shut your pituitary down, but pituitary does recover alot fast than testicular atrophy.
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Pituitary also takes longer to shut down than testes. You can take HCG for a pretty long time before you desensitize to it.
 
Some great feedback here. It’s a wonder why tbol isn’t more popular considering it gives a good amount of size and strength and not a single person has mentioned a side effect.

Do you guys think I should start my dose at 30 or 40mg? I’ll work my way up from one of those starting points if I’m feeling comfortable with it.
 
I don't ever need a test base but nowadays i just chose to run it because it makes the cycle better. Personally I'd go 60 but I can definitelt see results with lower than that. 40 might be the lowest I'd go
 
YoungThor said:
Some great feedback here. It’s a wonder why tbol isn’t more popular considering it gives a good amount of size and strength and not a single person has mentioned a side effect.

Do you guys think I should start my dose at 30 or 40mg? I’ll work my way up from one of those starting points if I’m feeling comfortable with it.
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I’d start at 40mg and work up to 60. Honestly, you could probably just start at 50 or 60; if it’s too much, you can always drop it down a bit.
 
Just started my cycle of Tbol (50 mg/day) + toremifene (60 mg/day) on Monday, 11/5. I've only had two gym workouts since then so it might be too early to tell, but I had a really good pump during my chest/triceps/shoulders workout earlier today. Going to run it for at least 6 weeks, and possibly for as long as 8 weeks. I'm still deciding whether I want to up the dosage during the last few weeks. I will also most likely start injecting 250 IU of HCG 3x/wk starting within the next few days.

So far, the only side effect I've noticed is random calf pumps when doing cardio (running). I also experienced a pretty bad cramp when I was trying to fall asleep last night that literally made me jump up out of bed to a standing position. After running a RAD-140 cycle during the summer that screwed with my head pretty noticeably (depression, amplified self-esteem issues, extreme lethargy, among others) and only resulted in me deriving "meh" results, I will gladly take calf cramps as the (so far) only side effect of TBol use.
 
SpicedCider good luck with the cycle. I look forward to hearing how it turns out. Are you bulking with it? I like how you pointed out rad140 causes “amplified self-esteem.” That’s a good way to describe how I felt on yk11. It messed with my head a lot and worsened my decision making skills for sure.
 
SpicedCider said:
Just started my cycle of Tbol (50 mg/day) + toremifene (60 mg/day) on Monday, 11/5. I've only had two gym workouts since then so it might be too early to tell, but I had a really good pump during my chest/triceps/shoulders workout earlier today. Going to run it for at least 6 weeks, and possibly for as long as 8 weeks. I'm still deciding whether I want to up the dosage during the last few weeks. I will also most likely start injecting 250 IU of HCG 3x/wk starting within the next few days.

So far, the only side effect I've noticed is random calf pumps when doing cardio (running). I also experienced a pretty bad cramp when I was trying to fall asleep last night that literally made me jump up out of bed to a standing position. After running a RAD-140 cycle during the summer that screwed with my head pretty noticeably (depression, amplified self-esteem issues, extreme lethargy, among others) and only resulted in me deriving "meh" results, I will gladly take calf cramps as the (so far) only side effect of TBol use.
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why would you take hcg with torem?
 
Tbol was great. No sides, I stacked with TD trest. The east germans ran it solo with no test base and they dominated the Olympics. FWIW. Recovery would surely be easier and more gains retained if utilizing a SERM on cycle.
 
I'm just gonna throw it in there cause I always do haha. Id go for halodrol simply because it's quite equal in terms of gains and partly because a bit of it actually transforms in to Tbol to put it simply. It's cheaper too.

Another option is superdrol at 10mg or lower. It's extremely low on the androgenic sides, on pair with anavar actually and much stronger than any of the other ones mentioned.

If you can find Tbol cheaper than me which I absolutely think you can and if money isn't a problem I'm sure you'd be happy with it though
 
I’m currently sitting at my 2nd week of a 5.5week cycle of tbol at 80mg a day split 40mg in the morning, 40mg mid afternoon an hour or so before my workout.

Already I’m seeing an increase in size (and folk at the gym have commented on this too), strength and muscle stamina.

I feel my recovery is spot on as I’m wrecking it 6days a week at the gym while keeping up my 5k runs 3xweek.

Zero sides or any negatives as yet and I genuinely can’t wait till the next day at the gym to see what I can do.

As this is my first AAS I have nothing to compare it to except the sarm cycles I have previously done. Personally I love this stuff.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Tbol was great. No sides, I stacked with TD trest. The east germans ran it solo with no test base and they dominated the Olympics. FWIW. Recovery would surely be easier and more gains retained if utilizing a SERM on cycle.
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Are you saying it’s worth throwing in Nolva into the cycle too???

I was going to start Nolva in the last week of my cycle and then continue the PCT for a further 4weeks.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Tbol was great. No sides, I stacked with TD trest. The east germans ran it solo with no test base and they dominated the Olympics. FWIW. Recovery would surely be easier and more gains retained if utilizing a SERM on cycle.
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Ok. I might throw in a little torem during the cycle and then switch to clomid during pct since it’s stronger.
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Are you saying it’s worth throwing in Nolva into the cycle too???

I was going to start Nolva in the last week of my cycle and then continue the PCT for a further 4weeks.
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Yup exactly. It's and old school thing but when AI's came around people started using them instead. Now it's gotten a lot of popularity again on this board
 
YoungThor said:
Ok. I might throw in a little torem during the cycle and then switch to clomid during pct since it’s stronger.
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How did you come to the assumption it's stronger? Many people believe clomid is the strongest for some reason. Torem isn't really studied as good as nolva and clomid but it's more closely related to nolva and has benefits over both of these. Nolva is stronger than torem for hpta and much stronger than clomid. If torem is safer to dose at higher dosages than nolva is at 20-40 there's no reason to run anything else than torem. From what we know and don't know nolva seems to be the safest option. When they make a study with torem at the effective dose for hpta It could very well switch.
 
Chados said:
Yup exactly. It's and old school thing but when AI's came around people started using them instead. Now it's gotten a lot of popularity again on this board
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I have ATD as an AI that I was gonna use incase of any sides and have Nolva for pct.

What would be best to run during the tbol cycle?
 
Chados said:
I'm just gonna throw it in there cause I always do haha. Id go for halodrol simply because it's quite equal in terms of gains and partly because a bit of it actually transforms in to Tbol to put it simply. It's cheaper too.

Another option is superdrol at 10mg or lower. It's extremely low on the androgenic sides, on pair with anavar actually and much stronger than any of the other ones mentioned.

If you can find Tbol cheaper than me which I absolutely think you can and if money isn't a problem I'm sure you'd be happy with it though
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I’m still picking a source but I found a few where it’ll only cost about $100 plus shipping to run a 7 or 8 week cycle at 40mg a day. That’s not bad in my opinion. I don’t know much about hdrol but that’s pretty shocking that you think it’s stronger.
 
Sheriff Morri said:
I have ATD as an AI that I was gonna use incase of any sides and have Nolva for pct.

What would be best to run during the tbol cycle?
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I mean this is how I see it.. Using an ai correct and controlling estrogen, not crashing it is probably healthier than using nolva and blocking estrogen from receptors but still having it in your body, while the ai probably is more toxic than nolva from the start.

The reason to add nolva would be to easier get your testosteron back so I think both works and are better for different things. If you don't have estrogen problems then nolva is arguably much better than an ai. Maybe one can use both if needed? Just go a little lower on them.

For an oral cycle only in quite convinced most would do better with a serm
 
YoungThor said:
I’m still picking a source but I found a few where it’ll only cost about $100 plus shipping to run a 7 or 8 week cycle at 40mg a day. That’s not bad in my opinion. I don’t know much about hdrol but that’s pretty shocking that you think it’s stronger.
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I don't think it's stronger. I think it's on pair but superdrol trumps dbol at low dosage
 
RickyBlobby said:
Tbol was great. No sides, I stacked with TD trest. The east germans ran it solo with no test base and they dominated the Olympics. FWIW. Recovery would surely be easier and more gains retained if utilizing a SERM on cycle.
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How would you dose nolva during say a 40mg ED tbol run? Don't know of any UK sources for torem, and get the impression it's much more expensive anyway.
 
BarryScott said:
How would you dose nolva during say a 40mg ED tbol run? Don't know of any UK sources for torem, and get the impression it's much more expensive anyway.
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Nolva is strong at low dosage.. I wouldn't go more than 10 since I think it's overkill going higher. It's really not that much difference.. Either one will work
 
RickyBlobby said:
Tbol was great. No sides, I stacked with TD trest. The east germans ran it solo with no test base and they dominated the Olympics. FWIW. Recovery would surely be easier and more gains retained if utilizing a SERM on cycle.
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Trestalone with TBol? Isn't trest(ment) like literally 5-10x more suppressive than running just test itself.
 
Sheriff Morri said:
Are you saying it’s worth throwing in Nolva into the cycle too???

I was going to start Nolva in the last week of my cycle and then continue the PCT for a further 4weeks.
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I would start the nolva a week before the cycle starts too boost your T levels. That way it will take longer for them to decline. Then continue 4 weeks after cycle ends.

YoungThor said:
Ok. I might throw in a little torem during the cycle and then switch to clomid during pct since it’s stronger.
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That would work, theoredicaly you could run just torem and be just as good. 60mg of torem is equal to 50mg clomid for HTPA function if I remember correctly.

BarryScott said:
How would you dose nolva during say a 40mg ED tbol run? Don't know of any UK sources for torem, and get the impression it's much more expensive anyway.
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As said earlier I would start the nolva a week early, 20mg EOD, continue that way till end of cycle then bump up to 20 for a week or two, then down to 10 for 2 more weeks.
 
One question though; if you did run test with the tbol; wouldn't you hold your gains better pct than say doing tbol and a serm. Anyone who has experience please chime in; the tbol itself I believe won't really atrophy your testicles more than say running test with it; but then again thats what HCG is for.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I would start the nolva a week before the cycle starts too boost your T levels. That way it will take longer for them to decline. Then continue 4 weeks after cycle ends.


That would work, theoredicaly you could run just torem and be just as good. 60mg of torem is equal to 50mg clomid for HTPA function if I remember correctly.



As said earlier I would start the nolva a week early, 20mg EOD, continue that way till end of cycle then bump up to 20 for a week or two, then down to 10 for 2 more weeks.
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If someone is running Torem during a TBol cycle instead of Nolva, do you still recommend EOD dosing? Or should Torem be taken every day?
 
YoungThor said:
SpicedCider good luck with the cycle. I look forward to hearing how it turns out. Are you bulking with it? I like how you pointed out rad140 causes “amplified self-esteem.” That’s a good way to describe how I felt on yk11. It messed with my head a lot and worsened my decision making skills for sure.
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Thanks. Yeah, you could say I'm doing something of a lean bulk. Of course, my shoulder injuries (torn labrum/rotator cuff) make it really difficult to lift heavy, so I'm not sure how much progress I'll be able to make.

Ironically enough, I had actually meant to say that the RAD-140 hurt my self-esteem. I literally felt like a pathetic loser on it. So far so good with the TBol, though.
 
50Magnum said:
One question though; if you did run test with the tbol; wouldn't you hold your gains better pct than say doing tbol and a serm. Anyone who has experience please chime in; the tbol itself I believe won't really atrophy your testicles more than say running test with it; but then again thats what HCG is for.
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You'd gain more for sure.. The thing is that restarting hpta really isn't that important for muscle gains.. It's important but it's not reasonable to be fully recovered instantly. Cortisol is much harder on you than hpta. Now one doesn't exclude the other.. Can you control both its a huge win. Even with test you could run a serm
 
SpicedCider said:
If someone is running Torem during a TBol cycle instead of Nolva, do you still recommend EOD dosing? Or should Torem be taken every day?
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Either way. Torem has a half life of several days so you should be able to take it EOD. I've always taken my serms ED but that's just me.
 
50Magnum said:
One question though; if you did run test with the tbol; wouldn't you hold your gains better pct than say doing tbol and a serm. Anyone who has experience please chime in; the tbol itself I believe won't really atrophy your testicles more than say running test with it; but then again thats what HCG is for.
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You would end up with more gains, since you have more anabolics in your bloodstream. But as far as keeping more gains from test, as opposed to an oral of equal potency...Which many people preach, just doesn't make sense to me.
 
RickyBlobby said:
You would end up with more gains, since you have more anabolics in your bloodstream. But as far as keeping more gains from test, as opposed to an oral of equal potency...Which many people preach, just doesn't make sense to me.
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Me neither.
No science has been offered to back this up.
 
Chados said:
You'd gain more for sure.. The thing is that restarting hpta really isn't that important for muscle gains.. It's important but it's not reasonable to be fully recovered instantly. Cortisol is much harder on you than hpta. Now one doesn't exclude the other.. Can you control both its a huge win. Even with test you could run a serm
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See the norm with everyone is holding gains when comparing orals vs running test. I've seen a thread where someone just ran deca alone with insulin gained 42 lbs; no pct(just took 5 grams of taurine everyday) and kept 35lbs or so after months down the line, but was also really skinny(didnt look like he worked out much). I might just make a thread on this so people can chime in; almost everyone on most of the "anabolic" forums from BOP, Promuscle, SST, Mesorx all preach that running your first cycle especially to keep the most gains test is the best to start with or having a base of test is the way to go.
 
50Magnum said:
See the norm with everyone is holding gains when comparing orals vs running test. I've seen a thread where someone just ran deca alone with insulin gained 42 lbs; no pct(just took 5 grams of taurine everyday) and kept 35lbs or so after months down the line, but was also really skinny(didnt look like he worked out much). I might just make a thread on this so people can chime in; almost everyone on most of the "anabolic" forums from BOP, Promuscle, SST, Mesorx all preach that running your first cycle especially to keep the most gains test is the best to start with or having a base of test is the way to go.
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Brother, "Deca alone" isn't Test.... And doesn't include Test.
 
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