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Favorite DMZ cycle add on?

blongo804

blongo804

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Slow day at work so wanted to throw this thread up.

My next cycle is slated for 1st week of January '19. By then i'll have had sufficient time off (cycle length + PCT length) from my Invalid Link Removed and want to get back on a serious bulk again. Fortunately, a board member hooked me up with another bottle of DMZ, and I loved my first time with it so I'm down to run it again.

With that said, is there anything I can run alongside DMZ, orally, that would further help pack on mass?

At my peak, I gained 15lbs my first go-around, keeping about 8lbs while hardly trying to. By that, I mean I had 2 planned surgeries soon after DMZ that would keep me away from heavy weights for 2-3 weeks I assumed, so while I tried to keep most mass, I could've tried harder if I knew I could continue training hard/heavy.

I've seen some guys run DMZ/Msten at lower dosages (20/20 or 30/30 I think?). I've also seen TD Trest run alongside DMZ, but Trest seems to come with a little trickier sides to keep under control. I had 0 real sides with DMZ.

Just looking for conversation and direction. You guys are the pro's. I am simply newb that's constantly learning.
 
I'm taking Msten right now and just added Epiandro. It gives some nice aggression/focus when taken preworkout and I feel like it's helping with strength as well.
 
stacking with msten x2. Also throw in some torem to protect your HTPA. Even the guys who used a SERM and ended up with crashed T levels reported feeling good on cycle with no test base and much smoother PCT than without the SERM
 
thaifoon90 said:
I'm taking Msten right now and just added Epiandro. It gives some nice aggression/focus when taken preworkout and I feel like it's helping with strength as well.
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Cool. Thanks for your thoughts! I wonder what DMZ, Msten, AND Epiandro would be like then. ;)

RickyBlobby said:
stacking with msten x2. Also throw in some torem to protect your HTPA. Even the guys who used a SERM and ended up with crashed T levels reported feeling good on cycle with no test base and much smoother PCT than without the SERM
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Is there a DMZ/Msten dosage you'd recommend? I feel like DMZ was a bit weak for me at 30mg ed, but maybe paired with 30mg Msten ed it would be a different story. I do like the idea of a SERM while on, so I may give that a go this time around too. I do have leftover nolva from my last cycle. Would that be of use instead of torem? I have to get more of a SERM either way.

mikeymike85 said:
Anavar
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I do like the thought of legit anavar. Isn't var a little more on the dry side though? I'm not sure how DMZ/var would work together, but it does intrigue me. Have you run DMZ and var together or just saying from experience?
 
20/20 DMZ\Msten but if you have more Dmz, I’ve done the same and increased to 40 only on workout Days. Msten needs no more than 20 when stacked though.
 
TD Trest would be hella nice too. Just needs Raloxifene and it wouldn’t hurt to have Caber/Prami on hand as well as an AI. I’ve seen the best gyno control with Ralox hands down on Trest, next would be Nolva and then Inhibit-P(otc). Plus you’re running a DHT with it, so Ralox stand-alone should be sufficient in my experience.
 
Matthersby said:
20/20 DMZ\Msten but if you have more Dmz, I’ve done the same and increased to 40 only on workout Days. Msten needs no more than 20 when stacked though.
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Matthersby said:
TD Trest would be hella nice too. Just needs Raloxifene and it wouldn’t hurt to have Caber/Prami on hand as well as an AI. I’ve seen the best gyno control with Ralox hands down on Trest, next would be Nolva and then Inhibit-P(otc). Plus you’re running a DHT with it, so Ralox stand-alone should be sufficient in my experience.
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Solid info all around! Especially on the td trest as that stuff has my head spinning a bit lol. Just lots to know about it compared to some orals that have little to no sides.

I do really like the sounds of DMZ/Msten, especially the 40/20 split on training days. I loved DMZ once I bumped it to 45mg solo. I can't even imagine Msten on top of that. I think as long as sides are under control (support supps + tons of water anticipated), and if I do choose this route, I may even just start at 40/20 on training days, 20/20 on off days. Hmm..
 
RickyBlobby said:
stacking with msten x2. Also throw in some torem to protect your HTPA. Even the guys who used a SERM and ended up with crashed T levels reported feeling good on cycle with no test base and much smoother PCT than without the SERM
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Oh yeah. I’m running DMZ/M-Sten rn in my 5th week. No SERM on cycle and no test base. Yawning every 5 minutes
 
thaifoon90 said:
How are the gainz tho
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I increased my strict overhead press by about 20 pounds, I don’t do dumbbell incline much but before this I could get the 120’s for about 12. I can easily do the 130’s for 12. 15 on my peak set probably. Bench went up by about 35-40 pounds on my max (haven’t done an all out max just estimating), and weight is up about 15 pounds. I missed a whole week of training and eating due to a bad illness too. But ive been eating in a pretty big surplus. about 1.5k over maintenance
 
BarryBondsHOF said:
Oh yeah. I’m running DMZ/M-Sten rn in my 5th week. No SERM on cycle and no test base. Yawning every 5 minutes
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That sounds about right. My bloods showed DMZ didn't even suppress me at all yet that androgenic lethargy was real. The only time I wasn't dead tired was in the gym where I was aggressive as ****.
 
Overall, I think DMZ plus TD Trest is gonna be far more enjoyable, slightly less harsh, and probably better gains. I just don’t like stacking methyls. It just doesn’t have that cumulative 1+1= 2 effect that most people think it does. Also, stacking methyls often multiplies health damage exponentially in my experience. A much better option than either would be a basic beginner test cycle with DMZ as a kickstart.
 
Old Witch said:
That sounds about right. My bloods showed DMZ didn't even suppress me at all yet that androgenic lethargy was real. The only time I wasn't dead tired was in the gym where I was aggressive as ****.
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Even with no test base I still can get it up pretty fine (obviously less but still can), but literally have zero urge. I thought running them solo I would be nearly completely or completely limp. Its strange however im truly praying thats a good sign as far as suppression is concerned. I want my first orals experience to go as smoothly as i can through PCT
 
BarryBondsHOF said:
Even with no test base I still can get it up pretty fine (obviously less but still can), but literally have zero urge. I thought running them solo I would be nearly completely or completely limp. Its strange however im truly praying thats a good sign as far as suppression is concerned. I want my first orals experience to go as smoothly as i can through PCT
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My libido was high, but my libido is normally super high. No absolutely zero drugs I'd still be going all night. Not really a good thing though because you can't unchafe your pecker.
 
I picked up a bottle of War Demonz by Centurion Labz

Daily Value – per 3 capsules

Hexadrone – 300 mg

DMZ – 24 mg

Ran Msten last winter and decided to give DMZ a try this time. Really looking forward to it.
 
Jebrook said:
Overall, I think DMZ plus TD Trest is gonna be far more enjoyable, slightly less harsh, and probably better gains. I just don’t like stacking methyls. It just doesn’t have that cumulative 1+1= 2 effect that most people think it does. Also, stacking methyls often multiplies health damage exponentially in my experience. A much better option than either would be a basic beginner test cycle with DMZ as a kickstart.
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I like the idea of trest too. Really adds a level of enjoyment to the cycle, not to mention the gains. I had zero sides on it. However ive real a lot of people had bad estro sides on it, mostly IM users though. SO I'm kinda torn when it comes to recommending it to others, especially not on TRT due to suppression issues. I personally wouldn't hesitate using it again, TRT or not.

IMO stacking methyls is OK, as long as you use reasonable dosages. For instance 5mg SD, 10mg EPI, 10mg msten, 10mg DMZ sounds horrible (4 methyls OMGZZZZ), but it is probably less harsh than 20mg SD.
 
I gotta say, I really appreciate all the responses. Sounds like I wasn't too far off on my DMZ/TD Trest thoughts. It'll technically be a "pricier" cycle because of the extra AI's/estro blockers i'll need on hand in case of bad sides, but it does sound like it'll be very worth it.

Maybe 45mg DMZ for 6-7 weeks paired with 50mg TD Trest ed as a starting point?
 
JoePaul39 said:
Just curious, 15 pounds on your first go around, how long was the run and at what dosage?
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I was on exactly 7 weeks and 5 days..somehow. Very lethargic and worn out by the end, but the gains were incredible. I did 30/45/45/45/45/45/45. At 30mg, I didn't feel much, although it was only the first week. I could've given it time, but I was antsy at that point! Went from floating between 197-198 to 212 at my max. I did deflate to 210 just two days later after that. I feel like my body prefers being "leaner" besides the extra fluff I carry.
 
blongo804 said:
Cool. Thanks for your thoughts! I wonder what DMZ, Msten, AND Epiandro would be like then. ;)


Is there a DMZ/Msten dosage you'd recommend? I feel like DMZ was a bit weak for me at 30mg ed, but maybe paired with 30mg Msten ed it would be a different story. I do like the idea of a SERM while on, so I may give that a go this time around too. I do have leftover nolva from my last cycle. Would that be of use instead of torem? I have to get more of a SERM either way.


I do like the thought of legit anavar. Isn't var a little more on the dry side though? I'm not sure how DMZ/var would work together, but it does intrigue me. Have you run DMZ and var together or just saying from experience?
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I have run Var and DMZ, and it was the best physical change I have ever experienced off a cycle. Utter magic. They worked great together. Leaned out and looked bigger like a mofo
 
blongo804 said:
I gotta say, I really appreciate all the responses. Sounds like I wasn't too far off on my DMZ/TD Trest thoughts. It'll technically be a "pricier" cycle because of the extra AI's/estro blockers i'll need on hand in case of bad sides, but it does sound like it'll be very worth it.

Maybe 45mg DMZ for 6-7 weeks paired with 50mg TD Trest ed as a starting point?
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50-60 mg trest ace would be a good dose. Or 75-100 trest base like dermatrest. IMO. With 45 DMZ, would make a killer stack.

If you have the extra funds I would run some peptides (CJC-1295 DAC at 2+ G a week) plus MK-677 during PCT to help hand on to gains better since trest is really suppressive and it will take longer than normal to fully recover.

IMO the feeling and gains you get from trest make the suppression worth it. I love how it makes you feel and the extra fullness and mass it gives you. Its addictive lol
 
mikeymike85 said:
I have run Var and DMZ, and it was the best physical change I have ever experienced off a cycle. Utter magic. They worked great together. Leaned out and looked bigger like a mofo
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Very interesting. Between Var+DMZ, Trest+DMZ, Msten+DMZ, this is becoming a difficult decision! I appreciate you sharing your first hand experience though.
RickyBlobby said:
50-60 mg trest ace would be a good dose. Or 75-100 trest base like dermatrest. IMO. With 45 DMZ, would make a killer stack.

If you have the extra funds I would run some peptides (CJC-1295 DAC at 2+ G a week) plus MK-677 during PCT to help hand on to gains better since trest is really suppressive and it will take longer than normal to fully recover.

IMO the feeling and gains you get from trest make the suppression worth it. I love how it makes you feel and the extra fullness and mass it gives you. Its addictive lol
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I'd probably use something like dermatrest if I had to guess. Seems a little more cost effective. I'm not too interesting in pinning just yet, but having MK677 for PCT does sound like a good idea too.

All the options... so many options! This is why I ask now because January is coming fast lol.
 
I would compare DMZ and Var to be Triumphalis. Triumphalis being the best PH/DS I have ever ran for recomp/cut.
 
Figured i'd throw an update out here!

Came across some Dermatrest to run alongside DMZ this January.

Thinking I'll do at least a 6 week, potentially 8 week cycle pending how bad the lethargy gets me.

Dermatrest = 50mg 2x/day everyday as long as the cycle lasts. Both dosages will be post shower, site may vary, but thinking wrists or feet. Have to figure out how/where to do it at the gym lol.

DMZ = 45mg everyday as long as the cycle lasts. Likely won't go any higher as 45mg treated me well last time.

Will use cycle support + TUDCA.

Nolva will be PCT. AI will be on hand for potential estro sides from DT once I figure out which one (open to suggestions).
 
blongo804 said:
Figured i'd throw an update out here!

Came across some Dermatrest to run alongside DMZ this January.

Thinking I'll do at least a 6 week, potentially 8 week cycle pending how bad the lethargy gets me.

Dermatrest = 50mg 2x/day everyday as long as the cycle lasts. Both dosages will be post shower, site may vary, but thinking wrists or feet. Have to figure out how/where to do it at the gym lol.

DMZ = 45mg everyday as long as the cycle lasts. Likely won't go any higher as 45mg treated me well last time.

Will use cycle support + TUDCA.

Nolva will be PCT. AI will be on hand for potential estro sides from DT once I figure out which one (open to suggestions).
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TDs at the gym are pretty simple. Just shower, towel off, get half dressed, squirt the TD onto your chest, place in gym bag, rub TD onto chest with wrists and forearms, finish dressing. Nobody will see what's in the bottle.
 
Old Witch said:
TDs at the gym are pretty simple. Just shower, towel off, get half dressed, squirt the TD onto your chest, place in gym bag, rub TD onto chest with wrists and forearms, finish dressing. Nobody will see what's in the bottle.
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Will it dry fast enough to not transfer to clothes? I thought it'd be that simple, but I was worried about it staining my shirts. I guess i'll know best when I first use it.
 
It should dry in a couple of minutes. Personally I squirted it on my inner forearm and rubbed them together until absorbed. You just have to be careful because it can and will transfer, especially if you start sweating. Trest is not something you want transferring to your wife or kids either lol
 
RickyBlobby said:
It should dry in a couple of minutes. Personally I squirted it on my inner forearm and rubbed them together until absorbed. You just have to be careful because it can and will transfer, especially if you start sweating. Trest is not something you want transferring to your wife or kids either lol
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That sounds like a good technique! That way I can get a shirt on first then rub it in. Luckily no kids yet, but I will make sure not to get it near my fiance lol.

Log will be up in about a month guys! Getting bloods sometime between now and then.
 
blongo804 said:
Will it dry fast enough to not transfer to clothes? I thought it'd be that simple, but I was worried about it staining my shirts. I guess i'll know best when I first use it.
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If you towel off particularly well, and use a shower brush in the shower, it will dry very fast if it's OL Dermatr3st you have, maybe 30 seconds of rubbing if even. If you're even damp, it will take FOREVER. And if you don't exfoliate with the brush it won't even really seem to want to soak in. So scrub scrub scrub, get real dry, rub on the dermatrest.
 
Old Witch said:
If you towel off particularly well, and use a shower brush in the shower, it will dry very fast if it's OL Dermatr3st you have, maybe 30 seconds of rubbing if even. If you're even damp, it will take FOREVER. And if you don't exfoliate with the brush it won't even really seem to want to soak in. So scrub scrub scrub, get real dry, rub on the dermatrest.
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More awesome tips! Thanks a lot, Old Witch.

It is real OL Dermatr3st, so good to know it absorbs pretty fast pending really clean/dry skin. Good stuff!
 
Preparing to gather all the cycle goodies like CEL Cycle Assist, CEL TUDCA, and a SERM and AI.
Old Witch, you might know best on this, or anyone else can chime in..

I've seen people praise exem for an AI for trest, but then I've seen hairygrandpa say no need for an AI with trest because the gyno issues are more related to progesterone production (Invalid Link Removed). He recommended ralox just below that post - I'm guessing for on and post cycle?

I had success (presumably..still need to get bloods to confirm) with nolva after my DMZ solo cycle, so I was going to get that again. If ralox is a better bet, I'll get that instead though. Or maybe torem for on and post cycle? So many options..

I have no idea how gyno prone I am yet, but want to be sure I have all my bases covered. I'll take 10mg nolva ed if I have to, then have either ralox or an AI on hand just in case I start getting high estro symptoms maybe. I'm open to whatever should work.
 
Tell me, what are you wanting out of the trest? Are you willing to pin?
 
trest is great for size. It's just expensive as are the ancillaries you should have on hand to combat the sides you MAY encounter.

I think it's great though. Makes me feel like a million bucks
 
RickyBlobby said:
trest is great for size. It's just expensive as are the ancillaries you should have on hand to combat the sides you MAY encounter.

I think it's great though. Makes me feel like a million bucks
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I do agree on the expense!

Currently debating between what all to gather to have on hand in case of sides. I'm thinking having nolva and exem on hand should be enough between a "just in case" AI and on cycle/post cycle SERM. Except here, Invalid Link Removed, Hairygrandpa suggested Prami/Caber to combat the estrogen sides rather than an AI, which is where my confusion comes in as to what exactly to have on hand. Do you agree with that?

Otherwise, I'm thinking this will be my cycle layout:

CEL Cycle Assist + CEL TUDCA (500mg) all 6 weeks.

DMZ: 45/45/45/45/45/45
DermaTrest: 50/100/100/100/100/100
Nolva: 10mg eod all cycle + 20/20/10/10/10 for PCT + 10 if I feel the need.
Exem or Prami or Caber on hand.

I may not need any nolva while on, but I think it's a safe bet to use it eod or e3d because of how crazy trest gyno sides can get per some people's reports on here. Plus i'm not sure how gyno prone I am. I have never noticed any pubertal gyno, I know that much.
 
blongo804 said:
I do agree on the expense!

Currently debating between what all to gather to have on hand in case of sides. I'm thinking having nolva and exem on hand should be enough between a "just in case" AI and on cycle/post cycle SERM. Except here, Invalid Link Removed, Hairygrandpa suggested Prami/Caber to combat the estrogen sides rather than an AI, which is where my confusion comes in as to what exactly to have on hand. Do you agree with that?

Otherwise, I'm thinking this will be my cycle layout:

CEL Cycle Assist + CEL TUDCA (500mg) all 6 weeks.

DMZ: 45/45/45/45/45/45
DermaTrest: 50/100/100/100/100/100
Nolva: 10mg eod all cycle + 20/20/10/10/10 for PCT + 10 if I feel the need.
Exem or Prami or Caber on hand.

I may not need any nolva while on, but I think it's a safe bet to use it eod or e3d because of how crazy trest gyno sides can get per some people's reports on here. Plus i'm not sure how gyno prone I am. I have never noticed any pubertal gyno, I know that much.
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Some people don’t even know what real gyno is and they think a little chest fat is gyno. It isn’t. It’s just fat. Man tits is man tits, just some fat. woman tits is gyno.

Anyway definitely have the caber on hand.
 
Old Witch said:
Some people don’t even know what real gyno is and they think a little chest fat is gyno. It isn’t. It’s just fat. Man tits is man tits, just some fat. woman tits is gyno.

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Haha I can see that being a thing!

I'll get some caber and nolva on hand. I have some nolva left from my last cycle, but definitely need more.

Caber sure is tough to find at the sources I know. I'll keep looking and make sure to get some!
 
blongo804 said:
I do agree on the expense!

Currently debating between what all to gather to have on hand in case of sides. I'm thinking having nolva and exem on hand should be enough between a "just in case" AI and on cycle/post cycle SERM. Except here, Invalid Link Removed, Hairygrandpa suggested Prami/Caber to combat the estrogen sides rather than an AI, which is where my confusion comes in as to what exactly to have on hand. Do you agree with that?

Otherwise, I'm thinking this will be my cycle layout:

CEL Cycle Assist + CEL TUDCA (500mg) all 6 weeks.

DMZ: 45/45/45/45/45/45
DermaTrest: 50/100/100/100/100/100
Nolva: 10mg eod all cycle + 20/20/10/10/10 for PCT + 10 if I feel the need.
Exem or Prami or Caber on hand.

I may not need any nolva while on, but I think it's a safe bet to use it eod or e3d because of how crazy trest gyno sides can get per some people's reports on here. Plus i'm not sure how gyno prone I am. I have never noticed any pubertal gyno, I know that much.
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how did it go?
 
clevelandsae said:
how did it go?
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Here's a link to my "final thoughts" post of my log I did: Invalid Link Removed

Basically it was awesome. Strength gains did taper a bit, but I was permanently stronger after that cycle. I since did an Msten cycle with nothing else, and that also went very well. Less initial weight gain, slower and steady strength gains, but really felt like "true" mass/strength was added by the end of that cycle. Hope that helps!
 
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