help needed with andro, Halo and sarm sycle

[maximillia]

Hey guys! I am planning a winter bulk cycle of 1&4 Andro, Halodrol, and LGD. There's some things I need help with:

1. What should the dosages look like? also, My andro pills will be 50 mg each and the recommended dosage on the bottle is only 2 pills a day i.e. 100 mg, but I have read that Andros should be dosed far higher, in the 300-500 mg range. So...should I be popping 6 pills a day?

2. I don't know which AI to keep on hand. Please recommend the best AI for this scenario and the appropriate dosages. Should I take it only If I get sides? I will check my E levels fortnightly too, what's the threshold after which I should be reigning it in with an AI?

3. What should the cycle length be like? I can go 12 weeks total- 4 weeks of LGD to start, then 5weeks of halo and andro together with LGD, then 3 weeks of only Andro and LGD. Or 9 weeks total- 4 weeks of Lgd to start,then 5 weeks of all the three together. or just 5 weeks of all of them together, with maybe Andro continued for 3 more weeks. Which one would be the best for bulking?

4. I suppose I will need to know my E levels post cycle to judge if I should include an AI in my PCT? or is it recommended to include it in a cycle such as this? if so, at what amounts and which one? Thank you!

 

[maximillia]

Anybody? I will simplify things so it's easier to answer, The doses I am thinking of are 50 MG halo, and 300mg 1-andro and 4-andro. Do you think I should increase the Halo as the cycle progresses? Also, Please tell me which AI I should use, will arimistane be fine?

 

[boooosted]

Anybody? I will simplify things so it's easier to answer, The doses I am thinking of are 50 MG halo, and 300mg 1-andro and 4-andro. Do you think I should increase the Halo as the cycle progresses? Also, Please tell me which AI I should use, will arimistane be fine?

I don't believe you will need an AI at all but exem is always good to have on hand and you can start with 12.5mg EOD. Since you're only using it in case something arises, I would not trust arimistane to help combat any sides. I have not run halo in a very long time so I don't know about the dosage. Do you already have the andros? It seems the general consensus is they're not worth the money at the dose you have to run. I have also run LGD and didn't get anything from it and especially not worth the sides. For these reasons this just looks like a cycle I would not be excited about, but everyone is different. Have you run any of these before?

 

[Chados]

Don't think you'll need an ai but could get some Symptoms after cycle,. a serm will be fine. Few oral cycles will require an ai, dbol and trest are two that causes a lot of estrogen. Halodrol is like Tbol, lgd is a Sarm and andro just isn't potent enough to cause any crazy estrogen floating in your body. I could be wrong but 60% of the time I am always right lol

 

[maximillia]

I don't believe you will need an AI at all but exem is always good to have on hand and you can start with 12.5mg EOD. Since you're only using it in case something arises, I would not trust arimistane to help combat any sides. I have not run halo in a very long time so I don't know about the dosage. Do you already have the andros? It seems the general consensus is they're not worth the money at the dose you have to run. I have also run LGD and didn't get anything from it and especially not worth the sides. For these reasons this just looks like a cycle I would not be excited about, but everyone is different. Have you run any of these before?

I will source some exemestane and use it as the need arises. I don't have them on hand yet, and you are correct. At the recommended dosages, they are very very far from being cost effective. Quite a bummer, Andros seem so convenient to use. I am primarily looking at this cycle for it's convenience. I agree with you about the LGD, I think I might experiment with some other Sarm. I will just manage my expectations, do you think this cycle is good for 5-8lbs of lean muscle over 8 weeks with a really good diet and training regimen? Halo will stop at 5 weeks ofc. I haven't used any of them before, other than the Sarm.

 

[maximillia]

Don't think you'll need an ai but could get some Symptoms after cycle,. a serm will be fine. Few oral cycles will require an ai, dbol and trest are two that causes a lot of estrogen. Halodrol is like Tbol, lgd is a Sarm and andro just isn't potent enough to cause any crazy estrogen floating in your body. I could be wrong but 60% of the time I am always right lol

Good to know lol. I will just keep some exem as adviced on hand, in case anything pops up. Part of the reason I picked halo is because it's like Tbol and hopefully, that means little chances of E related mishaps. I will get tested in the middle of the run and just keep an eye on things anyway. Thanks dude. Do you think Halo is less toxic for the body than Dbol or Tbol? is there any appreciable advantage in this regard to using Halo?

 

[boooosted]

I will source some exemestane and use it as the need arises. I don't have them on hand yet, and you are correct. At the recommended dosages, they are very very far from being cost effective. Quite a bummer, Andros seem so convenient to use. I am primarily looking at this cycle for it's convenience. I agree with you about the LGD, I think I might experiment with some other Sarm. I will just manage my expectations, do you think this cycle is good for 5-8lbs of lean muscle over 8 weeks with a really good diet and training regimen? Halo will stop at 5 weeks ofc. I haven't used any of them before, other than the Sarm.

5-8 lean lbs, yes obtainable. Have you run anything before? You could just run the halo and it will be easy to adjust if sides do arise. Keep it short and simple then on to plan the next cycle. What is your serm choice for PCT?

 

[boooosted]

I just read you have used just LGD before. What were the results from that?

 

[maximillia]

5-8 lean lbs, yes obtainable. Have you run anything before? You could just run the halo and it will be easy to adjust if sides do arise. Keep it short and simple then on to plan the next cycle. What is your serm choice for PCT?

I have done one injectable test cycle before, and one Sarm cycle. I do like the idea of Halo alone, quite simple. Maybe I will just do this. I use both Clomid and Nolva for PCT, I read somewhere that they can be complementary due to their different modes of action,and it seems to work fine for me. I also don't get any emotional or eyesight sides from the clomid, other than a mild headache sometimes, which can be annoying. Ever have that?

 

[boooosted]

I have done one injectable test cycle before, and one Sarm cycle. I do like the idea of Halo alone, quite simple. Maybe I will just do this. I use both Clomid and Nolva for PCT, I read somewhere that they can be complementary due to their different modes of action,and it seems to work fine for me. I also don't get any emotional or eyesight sides from the clomid, other than a mild headache sometimes, which can be annoying. Ever have that?

No I dose it up to 40 to start and never had sides. I have used clomid the past couple cycles but will be switching back to nolva moving forward if not using both. Last cycle was 6 weeks of clomid.

 

[maximillia]

I just read you have used just LGD before. What were the results from that?

I used LGD in conjunction with Rad and Yk11, to see the anabolic potential of Sarms, and it left me very disappointed. I gained some strength, added some mass, but nothing crazy. I didn't keep measurements because there didn't seem to be much of a point lol. I guess I can tell you that nobody in the gym asked me If I was on something, which I expected from such a combination. I hold now that Sarms are probably best for cutting and could assist recomping.

 

[maximillia]

No I dose it up to 40 to start and never had sides. I have used clomid the past couple cycles but will be switching back to nolva moving forward if not using both. Last cycle was 6 weeks of clomid.

Any particular reason for the switch? I don't know why but I like nolva more than clomid, maybe because a smaller dose of nolva suffices lol. It's quaint. Another thing, where I live, you can get nolva or clomid dirt cheap. Like, really cheap. I find it amusing.

 

[Chados]

Good to know lol. I will just keep some exem as adviced on hand, in case anything pops up. Part of the reason I picked halo is because it's like Tbol and hopefully, that means little chances of E related mishaps. I will get tested in the middle of the run and just keep an eye on things anyway. Thanks dude. Do you think Halo is less toxic for the body than Dbol or Tbol? is there any appreciable advantage in this regard to using Halo?

Nah dbol should be the worst by far. Both for estrogen and overall health. Tbol and halo are pretty damn equal. A part of halodrol turns in to Tbol to put it in an easy way. I also think both Tbol and halo are equally toxic. Tbol should be much more expensive though and it's illegal

 

[boooosted]

Any particular reason for the switch? I don't know why but I like nolva more than clomid, maybe because a smaller dose of nolva suffices lol. It's quaint. Another thing, where I live, you can get nolva or clomid dirt cheap. Like, really cheap. I find it amusing.

Well I'm gyno prone so I usually just take ralox and clomid. It would be easier to just take the nolva. And honestly I really don't notice a difference between the two. If anything maybe slightly better on nolva.

 

[maximillia]

Nah dbol should be the worst by far. Both for estrogen and overall health. Tbol and halo are pretty damn equal. A part of halodrol turns in to Tbol to put it in an easy way. I also think both Tbol and halo are equally toxic. Tbol should be much more expensive though and it's illegal

I agree. Halo seems like the best option for me.

 

[Hyde]

6 weeks of Halo at 75-100 with some androsterone caps through the day would be very convenient, no AI needed, you’d have some libido and energy. Bottle of Nolva for PCT and you’re done. 300mg of 1-Andro could be added to this to good effect I feel, but will worsen lethargy.

Adding LMG at 50-125/day would definitely add some extra bulk size and power and can be run for 8 weeks quite safely as well, but it adds a significant gyno-control component that you sound like you’re trying to avoid (and an AI isn’t the answer for LMG; gotta use a SERM and prolactin control). Plus it’s kinda pricey.

 

[maximillia]

6 weeks of Halo at 75-100 with some androsterone caps through the day would be very convenient, no AI needed, you’d have some libido and energy. Bottle of Nolva for PCT and you’re done. 300mg of 1-Andro could be added to this to good effect I feel, but will worsen lethargy.

Adding LMG at 50-125/day would definitely add some extra bulk size and power and can be run for 8 weeks quite safely as well, but it adds a significant gyno-control component that you sound like you’re trying to avoid (and an AI isn’t the answer for LMG; gotta use a SERM and prolactin control). Plus it’s kinda pricey.

I like what you are cooking there, that's my taste. My blood pressure shoots up when I read prolactin or progestin though, So I will steer clear of things like LMG for now. The gyno-control component is exactly what I am trying to avoid. If you don't mind explaining, how do you control prolactin and what is LMG doing exactly which compels one to use a SERM instead of an AI?

 

[Hyde]

I like what you are cooking there, that's my taste. My blood pressure shoots up when I read prolactin or progestin though, So I will steer clear of things like LMG for now. The gyno-control component is exactly what I am trying to avoid. If you don't mind explaining, how do you control prolactin and what is LMG doing exactly which compels one to use a SERM instead of an AI?

You take cabergoline or pramiplexole, or at least a large amount of high % l-dopa mucuna pruriens extract, to control prolactin buildup.

LMG, like Nandrolone, does convert to estrogen - and estrogen and prolactin in concert or enough of either promote gyno. BUT 19-Nors don’t aromatize to estrogen; the conversion to estrogen happens via some other method I don’t know. So an aromatase inhibitor won’t stop that estrogen from showing up in LMG’s case, which means unless you block your chest’s estrogen receptors with a SERM like Raloxifene it’s fair game for the estrogen to bind.

 

[Old Witch]

You take cabergoline or pramiplexole, or at least a large amount of high % l-dopa mucuna pruriens extract, to control prolactin buildup.

LMG, like Nandrolone, does convert to estrogen - and estrogen and prolactin in concert or enough of either promote gyno. BUT 19-Nors don’t aromatize to estrogen; the conversion to estrogen happens via some other method I don’t know. So an aromatase inhibitor won’t stop that estrogen from showing up in LMG’s case, which means unless you block your chest’s estrogen receptors with a SERM like Raloxifene it’s fair game for the estrogen to bind.

That and they also directly activate ER and PR by themselves with no conversion necessary.

 

[maximillia]

You take cabergoline or pramiplexole, or at least a large amount of high % l-dopa mucuna pruriens extract, to control prolactin buildup.

LMG, like Nandrolone, does convert to estrogen - and estrogen and prolactin in concert or enough of either promote gyno. BUT 19-Nors don’t aromatize to estrogen; the conversion to estrogen happens via some other method I don’t know. So an aromatase inhibitor won’t stop that estrogen from showing up in LMG’s case, which means unless you block your chest’s estrogen receptors with a SERM like Raloxifene it’s fair game for the estrogen to bind.

Great Info, tip of the hat to you good sir.

 

[maximillia]

That and they also directly activate ER and PR by themselves with no conversion necessary.

That's surprising, definitely something I don't want to touch right now.

Guys, I can't get my hands on Halodrol right now, and It seems very unexciting to just run Andros, and I am not even going to have high dosages for those. I can get my hands on some turinabol though and I am thinking of doing just that, anything you would warn me about? The only thing I am worried about is liver damage.

 

[mikeymike85]

50mg Halo is for toddlers. Bump it to 75 at least.

 

[Chados]

That's surprising, definitely something I don't want to touch right now.

Guys, I can't get my hands on Halodrol right now, and It seems very unexciting to just run Andros, and I am not even going to have high dosages for those. I can get my hands on some turinabol though and I am thinking of doing just that, anything you would warn me about? The only thing I am worried about is liver damage.

Liver damage is the least serious concern with aas. None of these are toxic enough to damage an healthy liver with a few weeks. You can take 10 pills and you won't die.. Try take 10 paracetamol. Now granted both of these ideas are stupid so don't do any of them.

 

[maximillia]

Liver damage is the least serious concern with aas. None of these are toxic enough to damage an healthy liver with a few weeks. You can take 10 pills and you won't die.. Try take 10 paracetamol. Now granted both of these ideas are stupid so don't do any of them.

Sounds good, 10 pills a day, probably massive gains... seriously though, I have another question for you. To gain lean mass, which is better, anavar or turinabol? Both seem to be mild compounds. Which Should I pick and why?

 

[Hyde]

Sounds good, 10 pills a day, probably massive gains... seriously though, I have another question for you. To gain lean mass, which is better, anavar or turinabol? Both seem to be mild compounds. Which Should I pick and why?

Turinabol if recomping or bulking for 6-8 weeks; Anavar if cutting (but you said gain lean mass, so I’m assuming you want a lean bulk) or you wanted to run longer 8-10 weeks.

Both would work, both great compounds, but Turinabol will make you bigger. Anavar mainly just makes you better.

Halodrol/Pro-mag/Mechabol are all prohormone siblings to Turinabol. Var is much more likely to be faked and will probably cost you more.

 

[maximillia]

Turinabol if recomping or bulking for 6-8 weeks; Anavar if cutting (but you said gain lean mass, so I’m assuming you want a lean bulk) or you wanted to run longer 8-10 weeks.

Both would work, both great compounds, but Turinabol will make you bigger. Anavar mainly just makes you better.

Halodrol/Pro-mag/Mechabol are all prohormone siblings to Turinabol. Var is much more likely to be faked and will probably cost you more.

I will go with turinabol. I can find it pretty cheap. Thanks again.