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Tren e while on trt

Jcarroll

New member
33yrs old
5’8”
185lbs 12%bf training for about 7 years
Done several test e cycles now on trt

Ok need some advice. I have been on trt for about two years now. And my dr currently has me on a very high trt dose due to my body metabolizing the test so fast. I’m on 2cc per week. Yes 400. Total test stays around 600, “not that impressive” I was thinking of running Tren e “because I can’t get Tren a” as a blast for about 10-12 weeks. My question is when do I need to stop using Tren before bloodwork to not throw red flags. It was hard to talk the dr into prescribing 2cc per week and even harder to get the pharmacy to fill it. Don’t wanna screw that up! Thanks ??
 
Jcarroll said:
33yrs old
5’8”
185lbs 12%bf training for about 7 years
Done several test e cycles now on trt

Ok need some advice. I have been on trt for about two years now. And my dr currently has me on a very high trt dose due to my body metabolizing the test so fast. I’m on 2cc per week. Yes 400. Total test stays around 600, “not that impressive” I was thinking of running Tren e “because I can’t get Tren a” as a blast for about 10-12 weeks. My question is when do I need to stop using Tren before bloodwork to not throw red flags. It was hard to talk the dr into prescribing 2cc per week and even harder to get the pharmacy to fill it. Don’t wanna screw that up! Thanks
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Im just curious how tough it was to convince your doc to give you 400mg of trt a week lul

I'm running tren e 300 with test cyp 500 and doing just fine, muscle hardness and decent aggression for the gym.

I'd say give yourself a month at least without the tren before you have labs done since it tren e takes about 25 days to clear your system completely of metabolites. If youre getting something like a hair test done I'd say three months, but since youre just doing bloods, a good month should suffice.
 
Well I started on with my level of total test being 127 and free test being 2.2. They started me in 140 a week. Levels went up to 800 but gradually started going down. They bumped me up to 200. And it’s been the same story. My levels rise but then go back down. They finally put me to 320 a week and said that’s the most they can give me. My levels were under 500. And that’s when I had to go to the dr to get my shots every week. Finally he said he would give me 400 per week but I had to self inject and I prefer it that way. He just said don’t go advertising your dose lol! Well I went to the pharmacy to pick it up and they refused to fill it saying it was not ethical to prescribe that much cause that was cycle dose. My dr had to send a letter to the pharmacy for them to fill it. It was a mess. My levels still aren’t great. Just wanting to add some Tren and really don’t want to lose my dr ya know
 
Jcarroll said:
Well I started on with my level of total test being 127 and free test being 2.2. They started me in 140 a week. Levels went up to 800 but gradually started going down. They bumped me up to 200. And it’s been the same story. My levels rise but then go back down. They finally put me to 320 a week and said that’s the most they can give me. My levels were under 500. And that’s when I had to go to the dr to get my shots every week. Finally he said he would give me 400 per week but I had to self inject and I prefer it that way. He just said don’t go advertising your dose lol! Well I went to the pharmacy to pick it up and they refused to fill it saying it was not ethical to prescribe that much cause that was cycle dose. My dr had to send a letter to the pharmacy for them to fill it. It was a mess. My levels still aren’t great. Just wanting to add some Tren and really don’t want to lose my dr ya know
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Sounds like a fun time, lol

You must have one hell of a liver if you're breaking it down that fast

But yeah you shouldn't have any issues with bloods a month after your last dose.
 
holy crap 100mg of test c puts me at 1000 ng/dl. I would look like I was on cycle on 400mg
 
I guess that’s a good thing. I just hate pushing 2cc of juice. Thinking about splitting it up 2x per week. I honestly thought for a while my dr was either giving me **** gear or lying about my labs since they did them in office. But I switched doctors a while back and they use a private lab that was showing the same results
 
I guess what I’m worried about and what I don’t understand is not the half life. It’s the altered lab work that I assume could last for months. I know the Tren will not lower my test since it’s trt. But will it effect other labs that will show way after the Tren is gone but just take a while to stabilize...
 
Jcarroll said:
I guess that’s a good thing. I just hate pushing 2cc of juice. Thinking about splitting it up 2x per week. I honestly thought for a while my dr was either giving me **** gear or lying about my labs since they did them in office. But I switched doctors a while back and they use a private lab that was showing the same results
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So your Dr. been giving you only one shot a week? Am I reading this right. If that the case I'd find a better doctor. You should be splitting your dosing twice a week min. Should not even be on 400 a week. I'd like to see the rest of your blood work. Your Dr. crazy. He/she No idea what there doing.

If your clearing testosterone fast or that fast you must be a low shbg guy. What you need is to start with 3 time a week pining (under 200 a week). If your super low in shbg, then you need smaller dosing, but more frequent injections. That means either every other day or daily pining. I bet that simple change alone will put you right at the top end of the chart.
 
Your cholesterol will be whacked out. Doc might see that (especially if u normally have good or normal cholesterol levels) and ask you wtf? Liver values might also be elevated even though it's not an oral.
 
I really don’t know much about shbg... the only thing that was out of scope was my prolactin was just slightly elevated by one point but was nothing to concern them. Dr said my bad cholesterol was a little high. And my b12 was low. Not sure what all testing they run, but they did say according to my blood all looked good. I know they checked something to do with the thyroid, prostate, and pituitary gland. Dr said there are a couple patients like me that require a massive dose to get the benefits that a normal person would get. I asked the dr about the dangers of being on a dose that high for trt. The reply was “it’s not the amount it testosterone you put in the body that’s dangerous, it’s the high levels that cause the issues.” And that what I’m doing is no more dangerous than a normal person doing 100 per week with the same blood results. I don’t know guys.... I’m at a loss. Oh I forgot to mention that I’m on 1mg of anastrozole per week also. And the test brand is Perrigo
 
I really don’t know much about shbg... the only thing that was out of scope was my prolactin was just slightly elevated by one point but was nothing to concern them. Dr said my bad cholesterol was a little high. And my b12 was low. Not sure what all testing they run, but they did say according to my blood all looked good. I know they checked something to do with the thyroid, prostate, and pituitary gland. Dr said there are a couple patients like me that require a massive dose to get the benefits that a normal person would get. I asked the dr about the dangers of being on a dose that high for trt. The reply was “it’s not the amount it testosterone you put in the body that’s dangerous, it’s the high levels that cause the issues.” And that what I’m doing is no more dangerous than a normal person doing 100 per week with the same blood results. I don’t know guys.... I’m at a loss. Oh I forgot to mention that I’m on 1mg of anastrozole per week also. And the test brand is Perrigo
 
Jcarroll said:
I really don’t know much about shbg... the only thing that was out of scope was my prolactin was just slightly elevated by one point but was nothing to concern them. Dr said my bad cholesterol was a little high. And my b12 was low. Not sure what all testing they run, but they did say according to my blood all looked good. I know they checked something to do with the thyroid, prostate, and pituitary gland. Dr said there are a couple patients like me that require a massive dose to get the benefits that a normal person would get. I asked the dr about the dangers of being on a dose that high for trt. The reply was “it’s not the amount it testosterone you put in the body that’s dangerous, it’s the high levels that cause the issues.” And that what I’m doing is no more dangerous than a normal person doing 100 per week with the same blood results. I don’t know guys.... I’m at a loss. Oh I forgot to mention that I’m on 1mg of anastrozole per week also. And the test brand is Perrigo
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Did your Dr. even test your shbg?
Dhea Sulfate?
Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum?
Estrogen Sensitive?
IGF-1?
etc etc

Can you post your blood work and bock out any personal info?


Jcarroll said:
So have you heard of someone metabolizing test that fast? Or have you heard that low shbg causes that?
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The problem with low SHBG, is that hormones are metabolized too quickly, possibly before they are able to do anything, as SHBG also protects hormones from metabolization. When your low you need more frequent injections & less dosing. For high SHBG requires larger doses to overcome the bound up T, a high SHBG guy is going to suffer with low Free T and would have to run a higher TT to overcome that.

There lots of things in general, but where here to help. Trying to keep this as short as possible. You need a protocol change. There also some great telecommunications dr. out there that can help, a little research on here can point you to the right direction.

We can always suggest a protocol change for you, but with any change takes time to adjust 8 weeks min, then bloods. If need be make any other changes needed base on the blood work results and feedback from you.
 
I will post my blood work as soon as I can. I’ll have my dr. Fax them to my work. And seriously thank y’all for any “educated” advice. It blows my mind at how many doctors just guess at this stuff. Before I went to a hormone dr, my family doctor wanted to give me one shot a month. Even I knew that was crazy!
 
Well, the blood work will show all the markers of you taking an oral steroid, specifically a 19-nor, so estrogen will be ultra high while its in your system. Tren has the lovely habit of elevating liver enzymes pretty heavily for an injectable, stressing the kidneys and just ripping your pericardium a new ass... Any indicator of those symptoms which is still around could point to possible AAS use outside of normal trt. The metabolites will be around for at minimum of 4-5 months if not longer since you're using Enanthate. The 4-5 month clearance time is for tren acetate.

"Resistance to metabolism: The more resistant an anabolic steroid (or any hormone, drug, and even food) is to metabolism in the body, the longer it (and its metabolites) will remain in the body. One such compound that is a perfect example of this is Trenbolone, which is highly resistant to metabolism in the body and is also excreted in urine un-metabolized in a very high percentage. Although Trenbolone’s detection time is not as long as something like Nandrolone, it is still fairly long (approximately 4 – 5 months)."

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Jcarroll said:
I will post my blood work as soon as I can. I’ll have my dr. Fax them to my work. And seriously thank y’all for any “educated” advice. It blows my mind at how many doctors just guess at this stuff. Before I went to a hormone dr, my family doctor wanted to give me one shot a month. Even I knew that was crazy!
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It wouldn't be crazy if it was testosterone undecanoate.
 
Jcarroll said:
I will post my blood work as soon as I can. I’ll have my dr. Fax them to my work. And seriously thank y’all for any “educated” advice. It blows my mind at how many doctors just guess at this stuff. Before I went to a hormone dr, my family doctor wanted to give me one shot a month. Even I knew that was crazy!
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Had an eye dr who was on trt. He saw that I was on trt along with some other things that I listing on the forum. He said is dr give him 1 shot a month. No AI. No HCG. I told him to run. Give him solid advice and a reference to another dr (telecommunication) and made sure he was armed with info. Dr. these days have no ideal what there doing or at least should no be in this type of field.

Dr's should also be looking at the underlying cause of the issue then just trying to treat someone.
 
Thank you for your response! Lots of knowledge there... so it can detectable 4-5 months possibly longer, but do you think it would show up in the normal blood testing they do?
 
Jcarroll said:
Thank you for your response! Lots of knowledge there... so it can detectable 4-5 months possibly longer, but do you think it would show up in the normal blood testing they do?
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No, the tests for steroid metabolites are very specific tests. However having those in your blood might raise other markers to indicate an issue worth further inquiry.
 
^ this. It can mess up your H&H levels, your PSA amongst others. Which may warrant cessation of TRT depending on the doc.
 
Got ya! Thanks for all the advice guys. I still have some time before I blast. So I’ll keep doing my research and see if it’s worth the risk of possibly losing the trt dr I have. May look at a different compound that may not jack up the levels as bad as Tren potentially could. Just always wanted to try something other than test. I feel my body has become immune to it lol
 
Jcarroll said:
Got ya! Thanks for all the advice guys. I still have some time before I blast. So I’ll keep doing my research and see if it’s worth the risk of possibly losing the trt dr I have. May look at a different compound that may not jack up the levels as bad as Tren potentially could. Just always wanted to try something other than test. I feel my body has become immune to it lol
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Good. Continue your research. All the above post are good. There are many other compounds that complement trt that not going to send some of your blood work numbers/values in a downward spiral like tren.

You are going to do you, but I think you should not run tren. You should focus first on getting your trt numbers better, getting on better protocol that not 400 a week, and looking at other options dr wise. I've already mention things in this thread. What you do with that information is up to you. Along with the info from the other members.

Good luck on whatever you decide. Take care!
 
Sounds good! And if u know something that I should start researching in the future to add to my trt I would love the advice! I’ve learned over the years to take your time and not jump into anything. And just cause someone tells ya something don’t make it right lol. But y’all do sound way more knowledgeable than I on this subject. But if y’all have suggestions on compounds I should research that would complement trt please let me know! Thanks in advance!
 
Jcarroll said:
Well I started on with my level of total test being 127 and free test being 2.2. They started me in 140 a week. Levels went up to 800 but gradually started going down. They bumped me up to 200. And it’s been the same story. My levels rise but then go back down. They finally put me to 320 a week and said that’s the most they can give me. My levels were under 500. And that’s when I had to go to the dr to get my shots every week. Finally he said he would give me 400 per week but I had to self inject and I prefer it that way. He just said don’t go advertising your dose lol! Well I went to the pharmacy to pick it up and they refused to fill it saying it was not ethical to prescribe that much cause that was cycle dose. My dr had to send a letter to the pharmacy for them to fill it. It was a mess. My levels still aren’t great. Just wanting to add some Tren and really don’t want to lose my dr ya know
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How many ays after pinning were your bloods drawn? I’m thinking that might be the cause of your lower readings on higher doses tbh
 
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