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Which Cycle??

jim2509

jim2509

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Just thowing this out for opinions as havent used the DHEA Andros before and you guys are a wealth of knowledge.

Previous cycles in past were M1-T (Amazing), Dbol, Epistane and Iron Legions VII Kt and Invictus on a cut which were very effective. As its time to add a little size I'm scratching my head at the amount of products these days since most of the PH's got binned off and replaced by DHEA'S.

Goal: Add some size and not feel like crap/trash lipids hence no mention of Sarms/DMZ/Superdrol/M1-T :(

So my options are:

Olympic Labs Super 3AD/19 Nor Dhea 2 caps each a day +Ar1mcare Pro (4 Weeks)
Pct Clomid 50/25/25/25 and OL Super PCT

Or

Olympic Labs 19 Nor 3 caps (330 mg), Super Mandro 3 Caps (330mg) 4 Dhea 4 Caps
( 300 mg) (6 weeks) + Ar1mcare Pro ( 6 weeks)
Pct Clomid 50/25/25/25 and OL Super PCT

Or

Halodrol 50/75/75/75/75/75 + Dermacrine, Ar1mcare Pro (6 Weeks) and extra Tudca.
Pct Clomid 50/25/25/25 and OL Super PCT, AL Ultra Test.

Option 1 is ready to go but dosages recommended on label seem quite low?
Option 2 is expensive and a lot of products to manage so may not be worth it?
Option 3 Time tested product, only have to purchase the Halodrol, but it is Methylated so is what it is.

Any opinions/advice welcomed thank you.
 
Based on your previous cycle experience you should go with option 3. The andro cycles get expensive because you have to run them at such high dosages and the only people I haven't seen be underwhelmed by them are people running their first cycle ever. Run the halo with good cycle support and enjoy.
 
Tbl16 said:
Based on your previous cycle experience you should go with option 3. The andro cycles get expensive because you have to run them at such high dosages and the only people I haven't seen be underwhelmed by them are people running their first cycle ever. Run the halo with good cycle support and enjoy.
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Andros are very underwhelming. Run a freakishly high dosage and maybe you have something, probably a stomachache.

Try if you have real halodrol I'd go for it. Real turinabol would be better though.
 
Tbl16 said:
Based on your previous cycle experience you should go with option 3. The andro cycles get expensive because you have to run them at such high dosages and the only people I haven't seen be underwhelmed by them are people running their first cycle ever. Run the halo with good cycle support and enjoy.
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Thank you all for your swift replies. I had a feeling that this would be the option as running the 1'4 19 nor cycles seem very expensive to get 'some effect' and the results dont appear overwhelming + there are still the sides to counter so i guess Halodrol is going to be the choice. Will have to order some now and itll be a week or so before i can jump on cycle so ill check back to see if there are other opinions. Thanks all.
 
Old Witch said:
Andros are very underwhelming. Run a freakishly high dosage and maybe you have something, probably a stomachache.

Try if you have real halodrol I'd go for it. Real turinabol would be better though.
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That’s exactly what I had to do to get results from andros and it was too expensive


Also results wasn’t overwhelming

What about nanodrol (m Sten ) ? Many recommends it ?

Whats is better about halodrol Ana turinabol ?
 
Mzakif said:
That’s exactly what I had to do to get results from andros and it was too expensive


Also results wasn’t overwhelming

What about nanodrol (m Sten ) ? Many recommends it ?

Whats is better about halodrol Ana turinabol ?
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Hello mate, thats interesting....what were the sides like with high dose Andros?? Push comes to shove I can probably get
1-AD or M1-T as not banned in UK so there is the option of using real 1-AD with dermacrine instead of HDROL...would have to research it though. Msten never really appealed to me, i remember buying Ultradrol back in the day when it first came out but never took it, same with PMAG. Infact maybe i should look at Pmag or Mechabol...arent they better for mass than Halodrol with same sides??
 
jim2509 said:
Hello mate, thats interesting....what were the sides like with high dose Andros?? Push comes to shove I can probably get
1-AD or M1-T as not banned in UK so there is the option of using real 1-AD with dermacrine instead of HDROL...would have to research it though. Msten never really appealed to me, i remember buying Ultradrol back in the day when it first came out but never took it, same with PMAG. Infact maybe i should look at Pmag or Mechabol...arent they better for mass than Halodrol with same sides??
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On high does andros sides were :
- dry joints although I had joint supplement and omegas
- at the end aggression were extreme when eve I get pose I felt like I’m going rip people heads off.
-libido was tanked although I had 4andro and epi andro with 1 andro

I have no experience with other compounds but nanodrol (has many positive reviews)and Epistane cough my interest and I’m planning to use them In coming cycles with androtest as a test base
 
I think superdrol is highly underrated when it comes to sides.. We read the recommended dosage 20-30mg and we think I'd rather run Tbol at 60 mg because its safer.. Well superdrol is almost as low as you can find on the androgenic side and its so strong that 10mg or even 5 beats most things on the market in terms of muscle building potential... Dosing it this low will arguably be just as safe or even safer than halodrol at 75mg as an example.

Not saying go and take superdrol but it is one of the safer compounds you'll find that actually adds muscle if you dose it low. Even women can run superdrol ahead of anavar due to it being so low on the androgenic side.
 
Mzakif said:
On high does andros sides were :
- dry joints although I had joint supplement and omegas
- at the end aggression were extreme when eve I get pose I felt like I’m going rip people heads off.
-libido was tanked although I had 4andro and epi andro with 1 andro

I have no experience with other compounds but nanodrol (has many positive reviews)and Epistane cough my interest and I’m planning to use them In coming cycles with androtest as a test base
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Well that pretty much sums up the andros then...high doses for gains and bad sides anyway, think I'll pass thanks for info and good luck with cycle.
 
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Chados said:
I think superdrol is highly underrated when it comes to sides.. We read the recommended dosage 20-30mg and we think I'd rather run Tbol at 60 mg because its safer.. Well superdrol is almost as low as you can find on the androgenic side and its so strong that 10mg or even 5 beats most things on the market in terms of muscle building potential... Dosing it this low will arguably be just as safe or even safer than halodrol at 75mg as an example.

Not saying go and take superdrol but it is one of the safer compounds you'll find that actually adds muscle if you dose it low. Even women can run superdrol ahead of anavar due to it being so low on the androgenic side.
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Yeah I know what your saying. I ran M1-T years ago at 10mg for 14 days and gains were crazy. Unfortunately they both dont seem to treat liver too well or lipids. As it is I can source P-Mag which is better for bulking than Halodrol (allegedly) and low on sides so will give it a whirl. I just hope its not underdosed. It'll be Brawn Nutrition version.
 
jim2509 said:
Yeah I know what your saying. I ran M1-T years ago at 10mg for 14 days and gains were crazy. Unfortunately they both dont seem to treat liver too well or lipids. As it is I can source P-Mag which is better for bulking than Halodrol (allegedly) and low on sides so will give it a whirl. I just hope its not underdosed. It'll be Brawn Nutrition version.
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Superdrol isn't the best for the liver and while liver damage is exaggerated with steroids beyond belief its 100% worth to think about health first. The argument against that is like having alcohol. If you drink a bottle of whiskey vs 1 beer or 20 beers vs 1 shot of whiskey. It doesn't matter what steroid you take as much as what dosage you go for.

This 4-6 weeks comes from companies selling prohormone to not get sued and to be able to sell with safety. Anadrol has been prescribed for months at very high dosages.

I have no data but 10mg sd I can't imagine being more harsh than 70mg halodrol.
 
Chados said:
Superdrol isn't the best for the liver and while liver damage is exaggerated with steroids beyond belief its 100% worth to think about health first. The argument against that is like having alcohol. If you drink a bottle of whiskey vs 1 beer or 20 beers vs 1 shot of whiskey. It doesn't matter what steroid you take as much as what dosage you go for.

This 4-6 weeks comes from companies selling prohormone to not get sued and to be able to sell with safety. Anadrol has been prescribed for months at very high dosages.

I have no data but 10mg sd I can't imagine being more harsh than 70mg halodrol.
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Absolutely agree that sides get over blown and the legal aspect. I certainly didnt cream in on M1-T and other than shin pumps when running (didnt have taurine to hand) i didnt have too many sides i recall.

There are pro/cons to most things i guess but what i can be now sure of is that id be throwing money down the drain and guzzling nearly 20 caps a day on dhea's or 3 on a P-Mag cycle which should give me a nice kick with low sides :)
 
Well have decided to go with good old Halodrol instead of Pmag. Reasoning behind this is there isnt a wealth of reviews on Pmag and it seems a bit hit and miss.

Also the whole bulking side of it between both is probably negligible/dose specific however Halodrol doesnt appear to bloat which for me tells me less grief on kidneys and long term better keepable gains.

So it'll be 50/75/75/75/75/75 with Dermacrine, Arm1care Pro, fish oil, Reflex Pro Multi vit, Vit C, Aged Garlic, extra Co Q10 and extra Tudca.

PCT will be Arm1care Pro + all ancillaries as above and Clomid 50/50/25/25 along with AL Ultra Test.

Halodrol brand is Halocor by Pharmatec..never tried it before so will report back. Probably looking to start cycle in 7-10 days.
 
jim2509 said:
Well have decided to go with good old Halodrol instead of Pmag. Reasoning behind this is there isnt a wealth of reviews on Pmag and it seems a bit hit and miss.

Also the whole bulking side of it between both is probably negligible/dose specific however Halodrol doesnt appear to bloat which for me tells me less grief on kidneys and long term better keepable gains.

So it'll be 50/75/75/75/75/75 with Dermacrine, Arm1care Pro, fish oil, Reflex Pro Multi vit, Vit C, Aged Garlic, extra Co Q10 and extra Tudca.

PCT will be Arm1care Pro + all ancillaries as above and Clomid 50/50/25/25 along with AL Ultra Test.

Halodrol brand is Halocor by Pharmatec..never tried it before so will report back. Probably looking to start cycle in 7-10 days.
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Goo luck mate

Just try to log your cycle if possible

Regarding PCT i think you mean sup3r pct not arm1care pro
 
My opinion is that you don't need anything else then UDCA/TUDCA and/or NAC. UDCA and NAC are the only ones that are actually prescribed by doctors. All other stuff is just supp companies stealing your money. Also for pct all you need is a serm and an ai to help free some test from shbg and to keep estrogen in check especially rebound estrogen. Might also add proviron to pct. If anything, this would have the greatest impact on a general sense of well-being and to help keep gains.

With all the money saved from useless supps you can buy cjc1295dac and really keep your gains and make new ones!
 
Jinsun said:
My opinion is that you don't need anything else then UDCA/TUDCA and/or NAC. UDCA and NAC are the only ones that are actually prescribed by doctors. All other stuff is just supp companies stealing your money. Also for pct all you need is a serm and an ai to help free some test from shbg and to keep estrogen in check especially rebound estrogen. Might also add proviron to pct. If anything, this would have the greatest impact on a general sense of well-being and to help keep gains.

With all the money saved from useless supps you can buy cjc1295dac and really keep your gains and make new ones!
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Thanks for the info...ahh yes used to find Proviron most useful on cycle with Dbol. Was always of the thought Proviron would screw up PCT being an androgen.
 
jim2509 said:
Thanks for the info...ahh yes used to find Proviron most useful on cycle with Dbol. Was always of the thought Proviron would screw up PCT being an androgen.
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Proviron has been proven not to be suppressive till really high doses. So with doses 50 to 100mg you are safe. Now it is worth mentioning that all of this research was done on subjects with normal functioning HPTA systems. So definitely not with people that are shutdown and are trying to recover. But imo, I think it's safe. And just to clarify, taking proviron and an ai like aromasin in pct might thank your e2, so I would be careful with combining the two.
 
I think proviron with dbol should be nice yes. What was your experience like with this cycle? Proviron could help with excess water retention caused from dbol.
 
Jinsun said:
I think proviron with dbol should be nice yes.
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Warning- if you are prone to hair loss this will wreck your follicles.

Oh, and I would chose the halodrol cycle for sure
 
Jinsun said:
I think proviron with dbol should be nice yes. What was your experience like with this cycle? Proviron could help with excess water retention caused from dbol.
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It was a good cycle pal and I took the Proviron for exactly the reasons you mentioned to reduce bloat. I only ran it at 30mg but loved it. PCT was Nolva/Clomid but i recall it was 3 weeks for some reason but i recovered fine. I'll probably not go with the Proviron for Halodrol.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Warning- if you are prone to hair loss this will wreck your follicles.
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You mean the combo or just viron? Dbol is not a DHT and should not cause hair loss. It didn't for me - while proviron most definitely did. And I have a full, thick set of hair and nobody, absolutely nobody was/is bald in my family. I was really surprised how much hair I started losing while on proviron, I thought that those of us that don't have the mpb gene, should not be affected like this by DHT's...

Btw jim, 30mg of viron really isn't anything. I'm really surprised you saw results at such a small dose.
 
Jinsun said:
You mean the combo or just viron? Dbol is not a DHT and should not cause hair loss. It didn't for me - while proviron most definitely did. And I have a full, thick set of hair and nobody, absolutely nobody was/is bald in my family. I was really surprised how much hair I started losing while on proviron, I thought that those of us that don't have the mpb gene, should not be affected like this by DHT's...

Btw jim, 30mg of viron really isn't anything. I'm really surprised you saw results at such a small dose.
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Apologies i meant 30 mg of Dbol...had some nice gains low sides.
 
Jinsun said:
You mean the combo or just viron? Dbol is not a DHT and should not cause hair loss. It didn't for me - while proviron most definitely did. And I have a full, thick set of hair and nobody, absolutely nobody was/is bald in my family. I was really surprised how much hair I started losing while on proviron, I thought that those of us that don't have the mpb gene, should not be affected like this by DHT's...

Btw jim, 30mg of viron really isn't anything. I'm really surprised you saw results at such a small dose.
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For those prone to male pattern baldness, Dbol wrecks the hairline. It is quite androgenic. Proviron- goes without saying.
 
RickyBlobby said:
For those prone to male pattern baldness, Dbol wrecks the hairline. It is quite androgenic. Proviron- goes without saying.
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Yup, Dbol attaches to hair follicles all by itself. Just because it isn't 5a reduced doesn't mean it can't do that. If it DID 5a reduce it would turn into m1T, which actually is LESS attracted to hair follicles than dianabol. Funny how that works.
 
Old Witch said:
Yup, Dbol attaches to hair follicles all by itself. Just because it isn't 5a reduced doesn't mean it can't do that. If it DID 5a reduce it would turn into m1T, which actually is LESS attracted to hair follicles than dianabol. Funny how that works.
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Right. Just like tren. It isn't a DHT but will thin you out like crazy. Trest too. Anything that is really androgenic will do this.

A lot of people think anavar is harsh on the hairline since it's a DHT. But the truth of the matter is, it is not androgenic at all, so is relatively safe from a hair loss perspective. Tbol is another relatively safe one, along with deca, primo, EQ.
 
But wait, dbol does convert to dht. And it has a higher binding affinity to ar's then normal dht. That's mostly why you tend to feel so good when on dbol and why you feel so aggressive. It's the same with it's e2 variant.

Yeah, dbol really didn't cause no hair loss for me. But viron, I'm not taking it again just bc of this.

Var also doesn't cause noticable hair loss for me...
 
Jinsun said:
But wait, dbol does convert to dht. And it has a higher binding affinity to ar's then normal dht. That's mostly why you tend to feel so good when on dbol and why you feel so aggressive. It's the same with it's e2 variant.

Yeah, dbol really didn't cause no hair loss for me. But viron, I'm not taking it again just bc of this.

Var also doesn't cause noticable hair loss for me...
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I believe Dbol 5A reduces down to M1T, if I'm not mistaken. Nevertheless, if you have the MPB gene it probably best to opt for Tbol since it is a much, much weaker androgen.
 
Chados said:
I think superdrol is highly underrated when it comes to sides.. We read the recommended dosage 20-30mg and we think I'd rather run Tbol at 60 mg because its safer.. Well superdrol is almost as low as you can find on the androgenic side and its so strong that 10mg or even 5 beats most things on the market in terms of muscle building potential... Dosing it this low will arguably be just as safe or even safer than halodrol at 75mg as an example.

Not saying go and take superdrol but it is one of the safer compounds you'll find that actually adds muscle if you dose it low. Even women can run superdrol ahead of anavar due to it being so low on the androgenic side.
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Lots of ppl used to run superdrol at 10mg for 6 weeks and get good results with no sides. It was quite common
 
Smont said:
Lots of ppl used to run superdrol at 10mg for 6 weeks and get good results with no sides. It was quite common
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I can definitely see that. People should focus a bit more on dosage than the compound sometimes. Superdrol is arguably the best mass builder with the lowest sides when ran like this.
 
Looking at what you were thinking about running. Cycle 3 looks the most promising of them all. I would say that the effects would be better than the others and would probably be stronger. The added dermacine should aid in reducing the lethargy.
 
Bigmatt57 said:
Oh I thought for a sec he was taking about the gaspari nutrition halodrol which is very under-dosed 1-Andro, 4 andro , epi andro
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LOL.
Yeah, I really hate the fact that they've adulterated the names of so many products now.
 
Renew1 said:
LOL.
Yeah, I really hate the fact that they've adulterated the names of so many products now.
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Yeah instead of just replacing the product with another one they just reformulate and keep the same name, causing confusion. They should just use a new name.
 
Chados said:
I can definitely see that. People should focus a bit more on dosage than the compound sometimes. Superdrol is arguably the best mass builder with the lowest sides when ran like this.
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I had a thought awhile back about how 10mg SD and 10mg Msten would stack up together. Whether the lowish doses would compound sides or if they would only compound anabolism with only their relative sides for the dosage of each, meaning basically none. I remember guys doing this with SD and M1T. Not sure if they alternated days too or what.
 
Old Witch said:
I had a thought awhile back about how 10mg SD and 10mg Msten would stack up together. Whether the lowish doses would compound sides or if they would only compound anabolism with only their relative sides for the dosage of each, meaning basically none. I remember guys doing this with SD and M1T. Not sure if they alternated days too or what.
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I think that stack would be quite easy to run actually. Msten has very little reported sides. Personally though I'd rather take msten having ran both. I just think it does more for my physique.
 
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