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Ironeater94

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I will be doing my first anabolic cycle beginning next month. Im 24 6ft about 25% bf. Over the past 6 months ive went from 250 to 215. Looking to recomp. I wanna deit down a littler harder and keep some of the muscle ive gained. Since its my first one i want to do something mild so tbol looks like the way to go and since its my first go im gonna run it solo.

Heres my plan
50mg ed for 4 weeks
Exstesamine eod 12.5

Cycle support
Nac
Multi
Tudca
Coq10
Milkthistle
Hawthorne berry

Anything im missing or any advice while im loosing my anabolic virginity?
 
Ironeater94 said:
I will be doing my first anabolic cycle beginning next month. Im 24 6ft about 25% bf. Over the past 6 months ive went from 250 to 215. Looking to recomp. I wanna deit down a littler harder and keep some of the muscle ive gained. Since its my first one i want to do something mild so tbol looks like the way to go and since its my first go im gonna run it solo.

Heres my plan
50mg ed for 4 weeks
Exstesamine eod 12.5

Cycle support
Nac
Multi
Tudca
Coq10
Milkthistle
Hawthorne berry

Anything im missing or any advice while im loosing my anabolic virginity?
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A SERM for your PCT.

There is nothing wrong with being conservative, but you might consider adding a week to your run.

I haven't run Tbol yet, but I'm not sure about the Exemestane (I think that's what you meant). My first thought would be as needed, but I'd get some input from someone who has experience with this compound. Maybe AnabolicGuru?
 
Renew1 said:
A SERM for your PCT.

There is nothing wrong with being conservative, but you might consider adding a week to your run.

I haven't run Tbol yet, but I'm not sure about the Exemestane (I think that's what you meant). My first thought would be as needed, but I'd get some input from someone who has experience with this compound. Maybe AnabolicGuru?
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Forgot to mention the pct i have clomid which was gonna do 40/40/20/20 also yes i did mean exemestane ima keep it on hand cause i know tbol slighty converts but since its first cycle dont how how sinsitive i will be to it. And as for serm perhaps nolvadex? I also have hcg available but i beileve they would have the same response
 
Ironeater94 said:
Forgot to mention the pct i have clomid which was gonna do 40/40/20/20 also yes i did mean exemestane ima keep it on hand cause i know tbol slighty converts but since its first cycle dont how how sinsitive i will be to it. And as for serm perhaps nolvadex? I also have hcg available but i beileve they would have the same response
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You could run Clomid or Nolva as your SERM.
I'll be following this bro. I was going to run Tbol several different times, but at the last minute, I switched to a different compound. (Normally Anavar)
 
Tbol has an added chloro group at carbon 4, which prevents it from aromatizing; so you shouldn’t need to use the exemestane on cycle, although it wouldn’t hurt to have on hand incase you need it. I agree with renew on maybe adding a week or two to the cycle, although it isn’t necessary.
 
Don’t expect a miracle. Do lots of cardio and keep the diet in check and you will see good results.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Tbol has an added chloro group at carbon 4, which prevents it from aromatizing; so you shouldn’t need to use the exemestane on cycle, although it wouldn’t hurt to have on hand incase you need it. I agree with renew on maybe adding a week or two to the cycle, although it isn’t necessary.
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Ok thanks and so just run the serm along side the tbol? Should i dose the serm like i would an al because the tbol doesnt convert? If so how would i dose the nolva for serm?
 
Renew1 said:
You could run Clomid or Nolva as your SERM.
I'll be following this bro. I was going to run Tbol several different times, but at the last minute, I switched to a different compound. (Normally Anavar)
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Actually want to try var myself if all goes good with this first run may use some var to finish a test cycle on my next one
 
Renew1 said:
A SERM for your PCT.

There is nothing wrong with being conservative, but you might consider adding a week to your run.

I haven't run Tbol yet, but I'm not sure about the Exemestane (I think that's what you meant). My first thought would be as needed, but I'd get some input from someone who has experience with this compound. Maybe AnabolicGuru?
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My man Renew’s spot on. If you’re running a nice mild compound that’s just getting good end of week 4, get that 5th week in.. I’ve ran so many orals at this point so many different ways, one thing that applies across the board: run a low enough dose to get a 5th week. The results are always easier to maintain longer term and more pleasant to achieve Instead of dropping it 28 days-in because you can’t stand another day of lethargy or nausea.
 
Since the topic of cycle lengths is being discussed, what do you guys think about the prospect of running a cycle of TBol for a full 8 weeks? Is that just asking for lethargy and an increased risk of shutdown?
 
Matthersby said:
My man Renew’s spot on. If you’re running a nice mild compound that’s just getting good end of week 4, get that 5th week in.. I’ve ran so many orals at this point so many different ways, one thing that applies across the board: run a low enough dose to get a 5th week. The results are always easier to maintain longer term and more pleasant to achieve Instead of dropping it 28 days-in because you can’t stand another day of lethargy or nausea.
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Will do bro gonna push that first week anything to combat the lethargy? Or that just running for that time frame?
 
SpicedCider said:
Since the topic of cycle lengths is being discussed, what do you guys think about the prospect of running a cycle of TBol for a full 8 weeks? Is that just asking for lethargy and an increased risk of shutdown?
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I personally think 4-6 weeks is plenty for an oral. The results have always slowed down for me after 4-5 weeks.
 
Renew1 and AnabolicGuru have you covered bro.

But, you need to bear in mind that your relatively young to be messing with your hormones. Your body fat is pretty high to be cycling (you won’t be below 20% before you start and it’ll make changes harder to monitor, you’ll also struggle to dial in the calories as in theory you’ll be adding lean mass so the scale might be going up but you won’t know if you are gaining or losing fat).

I’ve run orals to 8-9 weeks before but would agree 6 is probably optimal for gains without suffering too bad, that said you have no base so the lethargy might hit you early in this run. Even something like epiandro, 4-ad or 4-Andro would take the edge off.

It’s a simple cycle so if you do run it don’t overcomplicate it. Run your compound with supports, then run a serm for 4 weeks.

Ideally get bloods before btw, I wish I’d done that, gives you a baseline for all future cycles.
 
Add the serm to the cycle. 25mg Clomid eod, drop the tbol dosage to 30mg and extend the cycle to 6 weeks. Imo this would be most optimal. The serm on cycle will most likely help you not get shut down. Definitely don't use an AI on a non aromatising cycle! Every drop of estrogen will be most vital to you.

Also start the serm 1 week before the tbol. 25mg ED. then switch to eod once the cycle starts. You can also dose clomid ed if you wish and can handle clomid's sides. Otherwise I would recommend tamoxifen or toremifene over clomid for beginners especially as they have less emotional sides.

You should also have at hand an aromatising compound that will quickly give you some estrogen: dbol, 4ad, test prop or suspension, etc.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I personally think 4-6 weeks is plenty for an oral. The results have always slowed down for me after 4-5 weeks.
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Personally, i have ran some pretty harsh orals...anadrol, dbol, etc...for long periods with an IM test base with great results and consistently fine blood work. I ran anadrol at 50mg a day for 3 months and liver values were only mildly elevated.It could be just how my body processes orals...but I honestly think the bro science behind the dangers of long oral cycles is over hyped. In my powerlifting circle, i know guys who run heavy dose orals for very long periods and have never heard of anyone having an issue. Im not saying to throw caution to the wind, but with routine blood work, orals can be ran for longer than people may think..for most. Just my opinion and experience.
 
Whisky said:
Renew1 and AnabolicGuru have you covered bro.

But, you need to bear in mind that your relatively young to be messing with your hormones. Your body fat is pretty high to be cycling (you won’t be below 20% before you start and it’ll make changes harder to monitor, you’ll also struggle to dial in the calories as in theory you’ll be adding lean mass so the scale might be going up but you won’t know if you are gaining or losing fat).

I’ve run orals to 8-9 weeks before but would agree 6 is probably optimal for gains without suffering too bad, that said you have no base so the lethargy might hit you early in this run. Even something like epiandro, 4-ad or 4-Andro would take the edge off.

It’s a simple cycle so if you do run it don’t overcomplicate it. Run your compound with supports, then run a serm for 4 weeks.

Ideally get bloods before btw, I wish I’d done that, gives you a baseline for all future cycles.
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Thanks for the advice i got some andro 4 laying around i also agree on the bf precentage any more recomp i can push to where i wanna be would work for me not expecting anything drastic. Ur right iam a little young im 25 i want to keep it minimum maybe 2 cycles a year until im little older i know that doesnt help just dont wanna over do it
 
Jinsun said:
Add the serm to the cycle. 25mg Clomid eod, drop the tbol dosage to 30mg and extend the cycle to 6 weeks. Imo this would be most optimal. The serm on cycle will most likely help you not get shut down. Definitely don't use an AI on a non aromatising cycle! Every drop of estrogen will be most vital to you.

Also start the serm 1 week before the tbol. 25mg ED. then switch to eod once the cycle starts. You can also dose clomid ed if you wish and can handle clomid's sides. Otherwise I would recommend tamoxifen or toremifene over clomid for beginners especially as they have less emotional sides.

You should also have at hand an aromatising compound that will quickly give you some estrogen: dbol, 4ad, test prop or suspension, etc.
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That sounds a like plan bro ill do that and drop to 30mg I can do the tamoxifen would it be the same dosage as clomid?
 
Jinsun said:
Add the serm to the cycle. 25mg Clomid eod, drop the tbol dosage to 30mg and extend the cycle to 6 weeks. Imo this would be most optimal. The serm on cycle will most likely help you not get shut down. Definitely don't use an AI on a non aromatising cycle! Every drop of estrogen will be most vital to you.

Also start the serm 1 week before the tbol. 25mg ED. then switch to eod once the cycle starts. You can also dose clomid ed if you wish and can handle clomid's sides. Otherwise I would recommend tamoxifen or toremifene over clomid for beginners especially as they have less emotional sides.

You should also have at hand an aromatising compound that will quickly give you some estrogen: dbol, 4ad, test prop or suspension, etc.
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Assuming that taking a SERM on-cycle during an oral-only cycle successfully prevents shutdown, would it prevent any lethargy from occurring? Or would there still be at least some noticeable lethargy due to the fact that testosterone levels would still be somewhat suppressed?
 
SpicedCider said:
Assuming that taking a SERM on-cycle during an oral-only cycle successfully prevents shutdown, would it prevent any lethargy from occurring? Or would there still be at least some noticeable lethargy due to the fact that testosterone levels would still be somewhat suppressed?
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I’ve always been in the camp that the lethargy is also or even more related to liver strain.(notice I don’t say liver damage, since that’s nowhere near accurate)
But the Clomid on cycle thread here, I believe I read some feedback that there was less lethargy.
 
Ironeater94 said:
That sounds a like plan bro ill do that and drop to 30mg I can do the tamoxifen would it be the same dosage as clomid?
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Nah, tamox is stronger the clomid mg per mg. I would do 10mg ed of clomid or maybe I would do 20 just to have more chances of not getting shutdown. But I've never done this before and it's not a well documented cycle plan (blood results from cycles), so it might be 20mg ed is to much and that 20mg eod or e3d is enough. Or it might be that 20mg ed is not enough... If you chose to do this I would rather go with 10mg ed as a minimum and do bloods mid cycle and adjust based on that.
 
Tbol is about as mild as you can find with almost non existent androgenic sides even for a female.
 
Jinsun said:
Add the serm to the cycle. 25mg Clomid eod, drop the tbol dosage to 30mg and extend the cycle to 6 weeks. Imo this would be most optimal. The serm on cycle will most likely help you not get shut down. Definitely don't use an AI on a non aromatising cycle! Every drop of estrogen will be most vital to you.

Also start the serm 1 week before the tbol. 25mg ED. then switch to eod once the cycle starts. You can also dose clomid ed if you wish and can handle clomid's sides. Otherwise I would recommend tamoxifen or toremifene over clomid for beginners especially as they have less emotional sides.

You should also have at hand an aromatising compound that will quickly give you some estrogen: dbol, 4ad, test prop or suspension, etc.
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This exactly. I think you should be OK without an aromatizing compound on deck though. And I would choose torem over clomid.
 
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