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1st cycle

Jamesdunlop

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Hi Guys,

I posted a month or so about starting my first cycle and I have actually began...

I'm running a 10 week cycle with Test E, Deca and oxys. Looking for max gains before I start a cut at the end of January.

Week 1 - 10 Test E 300mg once per week
Week 1 - 10 Deca 300mg once a week
Week 1 - 8 Anadrol 50mg daily

Letro on hand using if and when required.

PCT Will be picked up nearer the end of the cycle so I'm ready.

I'm taking various supplements daily :
Multivitamin x1
Milk thistle max strength x 2
Activated charcoal x1
Fish oil x 2
Creatine monohydrate pre and post workout

Eating and maintaining 3000 clean calories.
Training for 6 years total... 3 years properly and seriously.

I've done research but always prefer guys personal experience over a Google search.

So now I've got a few questions -

How does this cycle look anything you would advise me to alter?

Training frequency and volume do you train less frequent on cycle to allow recovery and promote growth or does everyone keep the same programs off cycle as they do on cycle?
I currently train 6 days a week...push pull legs, rest, push pull legs and so on. Should I continue this? Obviously I focus on all my compound movements first then some isolstion work.

Any advice or criticism welcome... I'm new...keen to learn... done lots of research before starting my cycle and I've just completed my first week. I know stacking for your first cycle may be considered a stupid idea but I've read about this stack and know many that use this stack and the results are always great.

Thanks for reading!
 
IMO that's a heavy first cycle...but if your already into it then...I'll let the more experienced guys comment on the compounds because they'll have much more to add then me. The one thing I'll throw my opinion is your training frequency. From my own experience that's a lot. I wouldn't say too much, and I know you'll feel awesome as hell and want to train more....but at least throw in extra rest days in there. Just eat your a$$ off. You dont grow in the gym, you grow during your rest. You'll be surprised how much better you do when you take a couple extra days off here and there....I'm guilty of not doing it also. But always glad I did when I knuckle up and stay home.
 
Hey man thanks for the reply!

I've been told it's quite a heavy cycle by others especially if I don't know how my body will react to certain compounds I have no way of knowing which compound is the one that doesnt agree with me but I'm really looking to gain as much as possible before my cut in January. So I went with a serious stack for the serious gains.

Anyway about the training frequency what would you recommend? I train this way so I hit every muscle group twice a week? Obviously I'm training for strength and size. Any advice on a split? I was under the impression from what I've read training while on AAS means recovery time is a lot quicker and therefore training more frequently is ok? Would you disagree?
 
Hey man thanks for the reply!

I've been told it's quite a heavy cycle by others especially if I don't know how my body will react to certain compounds I have no way of knowing which compound is the one that doesnt agree with me but I'm really looking to gain as much as possible before my cut in January. So I went with a serious stack for the serious gains.

Anyway about the training frequency what would you recommend? I train this way so I hit every muscle group twice a week? Obviously I'm training for strength and size. Any advice on a split? I was under the impression from what I've read training while on AAS means recovery time is a lot quicker and therefore training more frequently is ok? Would you disagree?
 
Jamesdunlop said:
I've been told it's quite a heavy cycle by others especially if I don't know how my body will react to certain compounds I have no way of knowing which compound is the one that doesnt agree with me but I'm really looking to gain as much as possible before my cut in January. So I went with a serious stack for the serious gains.
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We can disagree about that being a smart first run but at least you know what your doing / up against here. Your right...big thing is if you have sides and you don't know where they are coming from. Can you adjust your test, deca, maybe drop the adrol. Im sure youll get it figured out im just saying it would personally be out of my comfort zone to start like that. But gains you shall get!

Jamesdunlop said:
Anyway about the training frequency what would you recommend? I train this way so I hit every muscle group twice a week? Obviously I'm training for strength and size. Any advice on a split? I was under the impression from what I've read training while on AAS means recovery time is a lot quicker and therefore training more frequently is ok? Would you disagree?
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This is one of those things that is going to be very unique to you. You'll see a lot of smart guys saying a lot of different things. In my opinion none of them are wrong...They have just found what gets THEM the most results. For me, I divide the body into 5 different days so I am hitting everything once a week. Even from there I will throw in extra rest days every couple of weeks or so and ALWAYS realize quickly that I needed that day. I gain weight, stronger in the gym, look better, etc. Even though I might be crushing it in the gym and feel great, always always come out of that extra rest way better off. To me, twice a week sounds extreme...but again, a lot of guys do that. Also depends on how hard you are hitting those muscle groups each workout. Your right in the fact that the body repairs itself insanely fast on gear, but it still isn't going to completely repair itself every couple of days. Especially when you are hitting other body parts those days- then it shifts focus on repairing those body parts too. So a big non-answer but play around with it. Take 3 days in a row off after several weeks and see how you feel. If your ripping it a thousand times better id say maybe try to hit everything twice every 9 or 10 days and see if that makes a difference. Whatever you do keep those calories up and youll be alright....good luck brother!

How old are you BTW?
 
GET YOUR PCT SORTED BEFORE YOU START.

Also, you should probably run an AI during the cycle, not just letro as needed. Letro is more like a "break glass in case of emergency" kind of thing as opposed to a ed/eod/e3d kind of thing. Lastly, a cycle support of some kind would probably be good.
 
GET YOUR PCT SORTED BEFORE YOU START.

Also, you should probably run an AI during the cycle, not just letro as needed. Letro is more like a "break glass in case of emergency" kind of thing as opposed to a ed/eod/e3d kind of thing. Lastly, a cycle support of some kind would probably be good.
 
bigbeaph said:
We can disagree about that being a smart first run but at least you know what your doing / up against here. Your right...big thing is if you have sides and you don't know where they are coming from. Can you adjust your test, deca, maybe drop the adrol. Im sure youll get it figured out im just saying it would personally be out of my comfort zone to start like that. But gains you shall get!



This is one of those things that is going to be very unique to you. You'll see a lot of smart guys saying a lot of different things. In my opinion none of them are wrong...They have just found what gets THEM the most results. For me, I divide the body into 5 different days so I am hitting everything once a week. Even from there I will throw in extra rest days every couple of weeks or so and ALWAYS realize quickly that I needed that day. I gain weight, stronger in the gym, look better, etc. Even though I might be crushing it in the gym and feel great, always always come out of that extra rest way better off. To me, twice a week sounds extreme...but again, a lot of guys do that. Also depends on how hard you are hitting those muscle groups each workout. Your right in the fact that the body repairs itself insanely fast on gear, but it still isn't going to completely repair itself every couple of days. Especially when you are hitting other body parts those days- then it shifts focus on repairing those body parts too. So a big non-answer but play around with it. Take 3 days in a row off after several weeks and see how you feel. If your ripping it a thousand times better id say maybe try to hit everything twice every 9 or 10 days and see if that makes a difference. Whatever you do keep those calories up and youll be alright....good luck brother!

How old are you BTW?
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Thanks for the advice mate. It's much appreciated. I'll take it on board and try introduce more rest days and see how I perform fully rested. Maybe try a new split, try hot all muscle groups in 4 days and 3 days rest. Suppose there is a million ways and only trial and error will tell.

H and I'm 27 years old
 
nasrenegade said:
GET YOUR PCT SORTED BEFORE YOU START.

Also, you should probably run an AI during the cycle, not just letro as needed. Letro is more like a "break glass in case of emergency" kind of thing as opposed to a ed/eod/e3d kind of thing. Lastly, a cycle support of some kind would probably be good.
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I know I should have a better AI but it's literally all I can access the now...I know it's a last resort so I'll only take if I experience sore nips etc.


Yeah my pct is sorted sorta... my friend has the gear... HCG will be run a week after last pin not sure on how long for or dosage then there's the Nolvadex .. the guys at the gym said they'll keep me right with it when the time comes. What cycle supports should I take? I take milk thistle and activated charcol?
 
There is no reason to run any thing other than test at 500 a week for your first cycle. Honestly, with the right diet, the other compounds wont do that much more in terms of desirable results. And, if you are prone to sides, deca and anadrol will for sure give them to you. First cycle, test only, next cycle, do the test deca. Third cycle, do the one you are planning. There is no reason for three compunds on a first cycle...same results...way more negative effects than a test only first cycle. Im just telling you the truth, been doing this damn near 20 years. But, you are probably just going to run it anyway...so be very prepared to get hit with sides. What makes it dumb is that you arent going to know why you are getting sides....so you arent going to learn anything from this cycle. Not being a d1ck, just trying to help you out. You can fish around for the answers that match your own agenda...and you will find them here...but i just try to help guys make smart , safe, choices.
 
Well, that's too much for a first cycle. And then usually you want to run Deca at around half your test dose though that ratio is generally highly personal as its meant to negate side effects from hormone imbalance considering Deca is an estrogen.

Honestly I'd want to say drop everything but the test but, I mean you already dosed, no reason to waste anything since the vials are open. Get yourself some raloxifene, aromasin, and cialis cause you'll need em.
 
Hey JamesDunlop

Good advice from some great dudes above...you'd be smart to listen to them....All about getting the most gains with the least amount of personal injury - some of which can be for a lot longer than you can imagine
 
Jamesdunlop said:
I know I should have a better AI but it's literally all I can access the now...I know it's a last resort so I'll only take if I experience sore nips etc.


Yeah my pct is sorted sorta... my friend has the gear... HCG will be run a week after last pin not sure on how long for or dosage then there's the Nolvadex .. the guys at the gym said they'll keep me right with it when the time comes. What cycle supports should I take? I take milk thistle and activated charcol?
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Also legit AI sources are in sold legally online You have access to them , just a heads up.
 
Ok so after more thought, my suggestion is quit the A bombs, and halve the Deca from now on. Make sure to get those ancillaries asap.
 
Yeah some great points above.

I won’t comment on the cycle itself but I would say that 100% I would not be trusting my hormones on the basis of ‘the guys at the gym seeing me right when the time comes’ for pct. it’s a heavy cycle bro, I just think pct is the sort of thing you have to have in your own hands......

Regards the training frequency.....my view is that this is the area that benefits from a different approach on cycle as opposed to off cycle.

Clearly ability to recover is massive, you can train more frequently and with more intensity without spiking cortisol or destroying your cns. However, the increase in protein synthesis (basically your ‘anabolic window’ goes from being the few hours after training to all the time) means that muscles don’t have to be trained with as much frequency to keep growing.

Typically a ‘bro’ split (chest/tris, back/bi’s etc) is terrible for a natty lifter as the muscle only gets hit once a week (and typically would need to be hit every 2-3 days to maintain growth), but on gear you can smash the hell out of one or two muscles on one day and they’ll keep growing for a week. The old school bodybuilder programs were based on this.

Nowadays the Ppl or upper/lower or eod full body type splits are great for nattys. But you ain’t natty so whilst they will still work (basically everything works really) you have more options than off cycle.
 
Jamesdunlop said:
Hi Guys,

I posted a month or so about starting my first cycle and I have actually began...

I'm running a 10 week cycle with Test E, Deca and oxys. Looking for max gains before I start a cut at the end of January.

Week 1 - 10 Test E 300mg once per week
Week 1 - 10 Deca 300mg once a week
Week 1 - 8 Anadrol 50mg daily

Letro on hand using if and when required.

PCT Will be picked up nearer the end of the cycle so I'm ready.

I'm taking various supplements daily :
Multivitamin x1
Milk thistle max strength x 2
Activated charcoal x1
Fish oil x 2
Creatine monohydrate pre and post workout

Eating and maintaining 3000 clean calories.
Training for 6 years total... 3 years properly and seriously.

I've done research but always prefer guys personal experience over a Google search.

So now I've got a few questions -

How does this cycle look anything you would advise me to alter?

Training frequency and volume do you train less frequent on cycle to allow recovery and promote growth or does everyone keep the same programs off cycle as they do on cycle?
I currently train 6 days a week...push pull legs, rest, push pull legs and so on. Should I continue this? Obviously I focus on all my compound movements first then some isolstion work.

Any advice or criticism welcome... I'm new...keen to learn... done lots of research before starting my cycle and I've just completed my first week. I know stacking for your first cycle may be considered a stupid idea but I've read about this stack and know many that use this stack and the results are always great.

Thanks for reading!
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So you just blew off all the advise we gave you on your first thread, and listened to a bunch of your buddies in the gym instead. And went crazy on a first cycle. Enjoy your new set of tits, and hope you have access to Viagra. Good luck.
 
Real talk. If your friends were really looking out for your, or knew what they were doing, or both, they would've made sure you had EVERYTHING you needed BEFORE you even started. Good luck.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
So you just blew off all the advise we gave you on your first thread, and listened to a bunch of your buddies in the gym instead. And went crazy on a first cycle. Enjoy your new set of tits, and hope you have access to Viagra. Good luck.
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I dont know why i even post in 1st cycle threads. All the newbies already know everything. Lol
 
swimfan65 said:
I dont know why i even post in 1st cycle threads. All the newbies already know everything. Lol
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We should start asking them for advice. Apparently (somehow) they already know more than the guys with decades of experience and research under their belts.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
So you just blew off all the advise we gave you on your first thread, and listened to a bunch of your buddies in the gym instead. And went crazy on a first cycle. Enjoy your new set of tits, and hope you have access to Viagra. Good luck.
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Bwahahaha... going to have to find this op's last thread now. Swim might be right....these 1st cycle threads almost never end well. At least nobody was called a cnut this time....at least not yet.
 
The average NPC competitor or ave guy at the gym will almost 90 percent of the time only tell you what his dealer told him. Or what his “coach” who is actually coach google who chargers 300 a month tells him. If your serious about this take the advice of the people on this forum and do your homework
 
You should have caber in hand for prolactin type sides or you may end up misdiagnosing yourself with high e2 and make it worse by using letro. Also letro is pretty harsh, I wouldn’t think you’d want to use it to manage e2 throughout the cycle but instead use it reactively. You’re better off with aromasin or adex at .5mg eod/12.5mg eod or e3d respectively. Truthfully I respond better to adex and feel better yet most people seem to prefer aromasin.

You would make crazy gains off test/deca alone. Not sure why you feel the need to use anadrol.

Lastly you seem concerned with training and although it’s a key component I feel like the fact that you are on a first cycle any program will work if you do. What you should instead focus on is your diet. It may be easy to chase the scale and gain a **** ton of bloat from deca and anadrol whereas if you do it correctly you can minimize bloat with both compounds. If you actually take a moderate approach with diet and train heavy/intense you’ll grow profoundly.
 
You should have caber in hand for prolactin type sides or you may end up misdiagnosing yourself with high e2 and make it worse by using letro. Also letro is pretty harsh, I wouldn’t think you’d want to use it to manage e2 throughout the cycle but instead use it reactively. You’re better off with aromasin or adex at .5mg eod/12.5mg eod or e3d respectively. Truthfully I respond better to adex and feel better yet most people seem to prefer aromasin.

You would make crazy gains off test/deca alone. Not sure why you feel the need to use anadrol.

Lastly you seem concerned with training and although it’s a key component I feel like the fact that you are on a first cycle any program will work if you do. What you should instead focus on is your diet. It may be easy to chase the scale and gain a **** ton of bloat from deca and anadrol whereas if you do it correctly you can minimize bloat with both compounds. If you actually take a moderate approach with diet and train heavy/intense you’ll grow profoundly.
 
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