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Going Keto is making a deal with the devil. Yes or no?

The Solution said:
Every 1g of carbohydrate holds 3g of water. Which has nothing to do with intolerance to carbs.
In here we have learned opinion outweighs science and facts. Hence why OP can't back his statements with research
Learn something new everyday
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Pffftttt science is for NERDS. Real bro’s make their Facts real
 
Not sure I subscribe to this "loses tolerance" thing........when you introduce carbs, of course you may put on weight, I personally beleive alot of this is due to water being held in your body. What you are also neglecting is the person that went from Keto to a carb diet......was their caloric intake the same or did they overindulge i:e more calories??
 
I thought there were carbs and there were carbs. Fast vs. Slow.
No doubt there is a reason endurance folk eat carbs the night before an event.
 
ironhands said:
do you love carnivore more than anabolic?
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At the moment yes. One thing to note is I restricted carbohydrate more and more over the period of around 5 years. I didn't jump straight into carnivore
 
AlexPowell said:
At the moment yes. One thing to note is I restricted carbohydrate more and more over the period of around 5 years. I didn't jump straight into carnivore
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Is that a all meat diet? No vegetables or nothing. I'm a big steak guy, like 2-3lbs a week but that just sounds unhealthy without the micros. Overall you feel good on it?
 
Smont said:
Is that a all meat diet? No vegetables or nothing. I'm a big steak guy, like 2-3lbs a week but that just sounds unhealthy without the micros. Overall you feel good on it?
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Yeah beef only, 2-3lb a day :) I'll have bacon and eggs sometimes as well
I get all my micros just from the beef, all blood tests are coming back normal. I feel great on it!
 
AlexPowell said:
Yeah beef only, 2-3lb a day :) I'll have bacon and eggs sometimes as well
I get all my micros just from the beef, all blood tests are coming back normal. I feel great on it!
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Beef has all the micros you could ever need, bros.

For one ounce of 80/20:

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To act like you can get all of the vitamins you need as a human strictly from beef is asinine. Live how you want and eat whatever makes you happy, but dont spew bull**** and act like beef is all you need to eat to get all the micros we need to function. I have seen enough of your posts to know you're smart enough to know this.
 
jswain34 said:
Beef has all the micros you could ever need, bros.

For one ounce of 80/20:

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To act like you can get all of the vitamins you need as a human strictly from beef is asinine. Live how you want and eat whatever makes you happy, but dont spew bull**** and act like beef is all you need to eat to get all the micros we need to function. I have seen enough of your posts to know you're smart enough to know this.
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Ya I didn't buy that part. I ment 2-3 pounds of steak a day, I would love that. But I'd still eat my vegies, cud I love vegies
 
jswain34 said:
Beef has all the micros you could ever need, bros.

For one ounce of 80/20:

To act like you can get all of the vitamins you need as a human strictly from beef is asinine. Live how you want and eat whatever makes you happy, but dont spew bull**** and act like beef is all you need to eat to get all the micros we need to function. I have seen enough of your posts to know you're smart enough to know this.
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Tell me what test to get to prove that I'm not getting adequate nutrition and I'll do it
 
jswain34 said:
Beef has all the micros you could ever need, bros.

For one ounce of 80/20:

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To act like you can get all of the vitamins you need as a human strictly from beef is asinine. Live how you want and eat whatever makes you happy, but dont spew bull**** and act like beef is all you need to eat to get all the micros we need to function. I have seen enough of your posts to know you're smart enough to know this.
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Even from that picture, that’s not bad. But also, one ounce? A lot of numbers may have been rounded off. For example, I know beef does actually contain vitamin C, yet what you posted shows zero.
 
Yeah people will criticise me for eating only beef, claim that I'm not getting enough nutrition - yet I'm apparently thriving on it, getting stronger and bigger, able to get leaner, feeling great? No test that I have taken has shown any issue with my nutrition or health yet somehow they are absolutely certain I'm lacking nutrients?

If you believe the government's RDA for various nutrients are accurate then why don't you follow the RDA for protein and let me know how well that goes for you :)
 
How long have you been eating "only beef" every single day? Nutritional deficiencies often take months if not years to show up due to stores already present in the body. And yah, 1 ounce...Unless youre eating 100oz, which you state you're eating 48 oz at most, youre falling short on Vit C (even if it does have 1%...thats still only 48% RDA if you really are eating a 3 lb max per day so I'm not sure the point of your argument there), all the fat soluble vitamins, not to mention several of the minerals...you can read and use a calculator. I dont need blood tests to tell me you're not getting all of your micronutrients, nutritional facts and simple math tells me all I need to know. Protein intake in the general population is different than the athletic population. The guidelines are made for the general population. Dont play dumb.

Once again, choose to eat whatever you want, I really dont care. Just dont sit here and ignore basic nutritional facts and simple multiplication.

Edit: and please show me where I ever said you are currently "lacking nutrients". All i have said it that if thats truly your diet, you ARE falling short on several key micronutrients each and every day. That is fact.
 
AlexPowell said:
Yeah people will criticise me for eating only beef, claim that I'm not getting enough nutrition - yet I'm apparently thriving on it, getting stronger and bigger, able to get leaner, feeling great? No test that I have taken has shown any issue with my nutrition or health yet somehow they are absolutely certain I'm lacking nutrients?

If you believe the government's RDA for various nutrients are accurate then why don't you follow the RDA for protein and let me know how well that goes for you :)
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Eskimo diet there with meat only. Of course they eat some raw to intake nutrients destroyed in cooking, as in Vit C, which you can supplement with to make up the difference.
 
UCSMiami said:
Eskimo diet there with meat only. Of course they eat some raw to intake nutrients destroyed in cooking, as in Vit C, which you can supplement with to make up the difference.
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They eat all wild game, much more nutritionally dense. Nothing like store bought meat. They also eat that way for so long they are basically evolved different.

Im not saying you can't just eat meat, because I don't know if you can. But I definitely would love to see long term changes to a pure meat diet for 6mo. 1-2years, ect. But I doubt many ppl could go that long with purely meat and never touch a carb.
 
If I go keto my blood sugar drops so low. Under 70 ... I get hot sweats blurred vision and confusing . Sometime heart palpitation . It’s safe for most people but for some people like myself it can’t be done .
 
Smont said:
They eat all wild game, much more nutritionally dense. Nothing like store bought meat. They also eat that way for so long they are basically evolved different.

Im not saying you can't just eat meat, because I don't know if you can. But I definitely would love to see long term changes to a pure meat diet for 6mo. 1-2years, ect. But I doubt many ppl could go that long with purely meat and never touch a carb.
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they also eat most if not all of the organ meats which contain far more of the micros than normal cuts
 
jswain34 said:
How long have you been eating "only beef" every single day? Nutritional deficiencies often take months if not years to show up due to stores already present in the body. And yah, 1 ounce...Unless youre eating 100oz, which you state you're eating 48 oz at most, youre falling short on Vit C (even if it does have 1%...thats still only 48% RDA if you really are eating a 3 lb max per day so I'm not sure the point of your argument there), all the fat soluble vitamins, not to mention several of the minerals...you can read and use a calculator. I dont need blood tests to tell me you're not getting all of your micronutrients, nutritional facts and simple math tells me all I need to know. Protein intake in the general population is different than the athletic population. The guidelines are made for the general population. Dont play dumb.

Once again, choose to eat whatever you want, I really dont care. Just dont sit here and ignore basic nutritional facts and simple multiplication.

Edit: and please show me where I ever said you are currently "lacking nutrients". All i have said it that if thats truly your diet, you ARE falling short on several key micronutrients each and every day. That is fact.
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Since 23rd April 2018
There are many blood tests from people eating like this for years that show zero malnutrition

Again if you think the RDA is accurate then why are you not eating the RDA of protein? :)
 
AlexPowell said:
Since 23rd April 2018
There are many blood tests from people eating like this for years that show zero malnutrition

Again if you think the RDA is accurate then why are you not eating the RDA of protein? :)
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Il take your word on not being malnourished but the rda for protein is for the average Joe that don't do jack, active ppl need more protein and probably more micros so your statement about that don't really make sense. Anywho. I'd like to see how it works out for you cud other then not wanting to drop veggies which I won't I would definitely add more beef to my diet.
 
ironhands said:
if you want longevity, you better stick to low carb diet
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I see longevity as part genetics and part activity. Diet is incidental. I see the farmers in my mother's hometown consume huge amounts of potatoes and bread.(European) Live into their 90s with minimal illnesses. Motivates me to work out harder and be active when I think about kicking back.
Low body fat percentage is what I notice they share. They do smoke, drink alcohol,etc. not to addiction levels. You know what I refer to.
 
UCSMiami said:
I see longevity as part genetics and part activity. Diet is incidental. I see the farmers in my mother's hometown consume huge amounts of potatoes and bread.(European) Live into their 90s with minimal illnesses. Motivates me to work out harder and be active when I think about kicking back.
Low body fat percentage is what I notice they share. They do smoke, drink alcohol,etc. not to addiction levels. You know what I refer to.
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There is strong data that shows the relationship of low carb and longevity. Moreso the data concludes it’s less low carb and more how much insulin is released. So for people that are non active with higher bf are typically the ones who have fallen victim already to more likely then not eating poorly on a high carb diet. Bf plays a role due to low bf anecdotally says in better shape and typically better health. Originally the argument was caloric resurrection = longevity , which is true but not because of calories , because less cals would mean less insulin released... typically on a normal diet.

Still very unclear but that’s pretty much the latest consensus on low carb / cal, restrictive Dieting ... nothing out there showing moderate to high carb in active athletes or healthy adults only participating in resistance training over the course of 30 plus years . So who the ***k knows lol

My thing is don’t eat sugar, eat more veggies, gauge your caloric intake not of macro requirements based on body stats but based off activity level in relation to body stats and eat more protein lol. No matter how passionate anyone is on diet philosophy it’s still very ambiguous and misunderstood
 
ironhands said:
why live to be 70 or 80, when you can live to be 100-110? think about it.
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What % of those who live to be 90+, eat (and have eaten for a significantly effective portion of their lives) "low carb"?

Or, perhaps, a large % of those who live to be 90+ live that long despite any special diets ie they dont follow any.

In other words, do we have anything more significant than correlation going on? I suspect, as a poster earlier alluded to, that carb/sugar intake is but only part of a bigger picture. So the issue isnt "anything but low carb is going to decrease your lifespan", because that assumes a false dichotomy (low vs high); perhaps moderate carb intake, coupled with exercise, appropriate sleep, etc etc is not going to shorten your life span ("if only you ate 150gm less of carbs per day all your life, you wouldve hit 100 instead of dying at 80!").
 
why live to 110 when you can't afford it hahaha
 
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