SD -> SARMS -> SD

Wilko

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On hand, because of circumstances and hoarding, I have on hand about
65x10mg SD caps
150 SARM blend caps. (5mg LGD, 12.5mg MK677, 12.5mg Osta)
60x200mg Stano caps
120mlx25mg TD Trest

Plan is:
SD 10/ 20/ 20/ 0/ 0/ 10/ 20
SARM 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2
Trest 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2
Ancillaries for BP/Cholesterol because of course.

SD just makes a monster out of me. It always has. I mean, its SD. The only problem is it absolutely wrecks my appetite. Don't get me wrong - I swear that stuff'll put weight on in a deficit, thermodynamics be damned, but what's a bulk if you can't eat appropriately, ya know? Also I find if I jump directly into 20mg I feel like **** immediately. BP, headaches, etc. Ramping up always felt smoother. Honestly I'd be open to running it 10/10/10 if necessary. The SARMs are in there because, well, I got a **** ton and I've found enough literature regarding suppression that I probably won't ever run them solo. I bought into the whole "SARMs are ****ing magic" craze for while. Also, while the MK 677 lets me sleep like a rock, I've heard some bad things regarding insulin resistance over time. I am unsure how this would manifest in an extremely carb-heavy SD bulk.



TL;DR: Take SD for a few weeks, ability to eat gets trashed, take SARMS for a few weeks, finish with more SD.

Open to suggestions, comments, warnings of liver failure, etc.


-Wilko
 
SD wrecks most guys appetites.
Mine is destroyed by week 3. Done.

Here’s what I’d do and I’ve ran SD every way you can run it:
10/10/10/10/10
 
Btw. Trest with SD will put more quality weight on you than any other stack I’ve ever tried.
And I’m on Dbol and NPP right now.
 
Matthersby said:
SD wrecks most guys appetites.
Mine is destroyed by week 3. Done.

Here’s what I’d do and I’ve ran SD every way you can run it:
10/10/10/10/10
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I've read atleast 5-7 times 10 is good 20 is bad put people don't seem to get this enough to try it.
 
Don't get me wrong - 20mg gives me goddamn superpowers, but in the end its all for naught because I end up eating nothing and even liquid calories turn into a struggle. So 5 weeks at 10mg, eh? Hadn't considered it. Whats your take on the SARMs? At this point, Im operating on an admitted why the **** not policy. This'll be my last big go until I get back to the States.
Newth - your signature is ****ing golden.
 
Wilko said:
Don't get me wrong - 20mg gives me goddamn superpowers, but in the end its all for naught because I end up eating nothing and even liquid calories turn into a struggle. So 5 weeks at 10mg, eh? Hadn't considered it. Whats your take on the SARMs? At this point, Im operating on an admitted why the **** not policy. This'll be my last big go until I get back to the States.
Newth - your signature is ****ing golden.
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Is the SARM blend Hardcore 3D?
 
Newth said:
Is the SARM blend Hardcore 3D?
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My answer directly correlates to the amount of (legitimate and applicable) **** I'll catch for having bought it.
Also, that Stano ****ing wrecked my hairline. Im doing fine, but the thinning was noticeable and fairly immediate. It's come back since, but I'm not particularly inclined to **** with it again.
 
Wilko said:
My answer directly correlates to the amount of (legitimate and applicable) **** I'll catch for having bought it.
Also, that Stano ****ing wrecked my hairline. Im doing fine, but the thinning was noticeable and fairly immediate. It's come back since, but I'm not particularly inclined to **** with it again.
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Yeah...similar product, 2-3 a day depending on factors of everything else.
Probs ditch the stano hay.
 
6 weeks of 10mg is a tried and true method. If you wanna run it how you have it, flip flop the SD waves so you have the 3 weeks on SD on the tail end - always have the lion’s share of your drugs at the end of a cycle to continue gaining as tolerance builds.
 
I think after a SD run you should give your body a break; I don’t think running SARMS immediately after is the best idea.
 
Well as far as liver damage sd is at the top but liver damage is very exaggerated. You then have dosage at 10mg which is actually very strong even though most people run it at 20 or 30. Since sd is about as low as you can find on the androgenic sides 10mg would be arguably safer than many other orals and the sarms have no correlation with aas except the shutdown of your production. Sarms are androgenic but have no negative effect on the prostate and should not cause any liverdamage
 
I just think that if he goes straight from sd to SARMS he will be feeling like shyt his whole sarms cycle, unless he has a tough ass liver and has some really good support supps lined up. IMO
 
On that note. TD Trest and SD are going to be so effective, everything else will be background noise. May as well save them for another milder cycle. Trest/SD is gonna be a wild ride of gainz....
 
Fa sho
 
RickyBlobby said:
I just think that if he goes straight from sd to SARMS he will be feeling like shyt his whole sarms cycle, unless he has a tough ass liver and has some really good support supps lined up. IMO
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Well it shouldn't effect the liver. You have to look at dosage and tolerance. I don't feel **** on anything while some do very easily so chances are like you say he can't take it. Might not be able to deal with superdrol at 10mg even.
 
Personally I felt S23 had a significant impact on my liver. No brown piss or anything but if I had a few beers I felt really lethargic and lost my appetite. I assume this is liver stress. Jinsun posted pretty bad liver stress from ostarine, one of the supposedly milder SARMS.

So if your liver is trash from the SD my guess is that it won’t get any better if you jump straight to a SARM. That’s just an educated guess though.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Personally I felt S23 had a significant impact on my liver. No brown piss or anything but if I had a few beers I felt really lethargic and lost my appetite. I assume this is liver stress. Jinsun posted pretty bad liver stress from ostarine, one of the supposedly milder SARMS.

So if your liver is trash from the SD my guess is that it won’t get any better if you jump straight to a SARM. That’s just an educated guess though.
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Yeah I saw the results and I argue it was fake. S23 is barely a Sarm though.. It's supposedly pretty toxic, I have to read up more on it but it doesn't seem like the average sarm
 
Ostarine can be very toxic indeed. In the study that was done, cant remmember exactly which one atm, but it was a big study, some had trouble with elevated liver enzimes and some even had to be discharged from the study because of something like 5 times above reference range elevated enzymes. And this is on a dose of 3mg! We are taking 25mg.

My friend also took it and her liver enzymes were also really high. Then she quit the cycle.

So from my experience and knowledge ostarine is not worth it. But as always YMMV.

I would just do a 4 week pyramid sd cycle with the stuff you have at hand.
 
Chados said:
Yeah I saw the results and I argue it was fake.
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My friend also bought from Pred OL's osta and had bad liver values. So either OL sells fake or contaminated stuff or osta is liver toxic. Point beeing also, most people, like 99% don't look at their liver values while on ostarine cycles.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I just think that if he goes straight from sd to SARMS he will be feeling like shyt his whole sarms cycle, unless he has a tough ass liver and has some really good support supps lined up. IMO
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Jinsun said:
My friend also bought from Pred OL's osta and had bad liver values. So either OL sells fake or contaminated stuff or osta is liver toxic. Point beeing also, most people, like 99% don't look at their liver values while on ostarine cycles.
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I posted before and after bloods in the Clomid On Cycle thread after a 10wk 11Kt cycle... OL Ostarine 15-20mg for 8 weeks, 15mg S23 for 5 weeks, OL DMZ 30-60mg for 7, ~8 pumps/day of Androhard, and 20-40mg Var for 10 weeks.

Lipids were trashed due to no estro; liver values were all completely in normal range. Took 500mg TUDCA and 1,200mg NAC.

I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t use the SARMs with Superdol. Elevated enzymes don’t mean damage even. Just that your filter is earning its pay.
 
Hyde said:
I posted before and after bloods in the Clomid On Cycle thread after a 10wk 11Kt cycle... OL Ostarine 15-20mg for 8 weeks, 15mg S23 for 5 weeks, OL DMZ 30-60mg for 7, ~8 pumps/day of Androhard, and 20-40mg Var for 10 weeks.

Lipids were trashed due to no estro; liver values were all completely in normal range. Took 500mg TUDCA and 1,200mg NAC.

I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t use the SARMs with Superdol. Elevated enzymes don’t mean damage even. Just that your filter is earning its pay.
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While I don’t disagree with you (especially if whichever sarms he’s taking are not know.to elevate liver enzymes and destroy even more of his appetite or energy) I just don’t see what difference they will make with td Trest and SD. It’s like adding 11-oxo to Dbol/Deca. It will not shine through with such strong compounds on deck.

I’m 100% with you on liver enzymes. We will literally never see a steroid user with cirrhosis due to their oral steroid use.
But, talk to either of us week 3 of SD when we are a scrounging up NaC/Tudca since we blew it off the first two weeks, and now we literally can’t eat. I end up dropping anything else that’s exacerbating liver distress at that point in a desperate attempt to not lose everything, and that would most certainly include any other oral drug that I wasn’t 100% certain was non-toxic.
 
Hyde said:
I posted before and after bloods in the Clomid On Cycle thread after a 10wk 11Kt cycle... OL Ostarine 15-20mg for 8 weeks, 15mg S23 for 5 weeks, OL DMZ 30-60mg for 7, ~8 pumps/day of Androhard, and 20-40mg Var for 10 weeks.

Lipids were trashed due to no estro; liver values were all completely in normal range. Took 500mg TUDCA and 1,200mg NAC.

I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t use the SARMs with Superdol. Elevated enzymes don’t mean damage even. Just that your filter is earning its pay.
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Sounds like the NAC and TUDCA did their job well. This is why I recommended good support supps.


It’s bit the liver damage I’m concerned with. It feeling like crap, and workouts, appetite, ETC all suffer
 
Hyde said:
I posted before and after bloods in the Clomid On Cycle thread after a 10wk 11Kt cycle... OL Ostarine 15-20mg for 8 weeks, 15mg S23 for 5 weeks, OL DMZ 30-60mg for 7, ~8 pumps/day of Androhard, and 20-40mg Var for 10 weeks.

Lipids were trashed due to no estro; liver values were all completely in normal range. Took 500mg TUDCA and 1,200mg NAC.

I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t use the SARMs with Superdol. Elevated enzymes don’t mean damage even. Just that your filter is earning its pay.
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You're results are exactly what I'm saying. It differes so much and it can be bc of people's different responses or down to the bad production practices - sarms are a really non realiable bc of this.
 
Theres no means by which I walk away from this with anything less than utterly ****ed liver numbers. Thats a given. However, my concern only lies in the extreme appetite reduction and eventual inability to consume appropriate calories. No matter how righteous the abuse, I always find within a few days Im able to eat without issue again. A full two weeks would definitely let me squeeze a few more weeks of heavy calories to the end.

Is this viable? Yeah.
Is this wise? Highly debatable.

Im just trying to get the absolute best outcome relative to the bad **** Im about to do to my body.

Steroids kill by plaque in arteries, not liver failure, I say.
 
Are we allowed source talk? I suspect not. Its been a while. Im unsure if I wholly trust some of the things Im getting from a current vendor.
 
Wilko said:
Are we allowed source talk? I suspect not. Its been a while. Im unsure if I wholly trust some of the things Im getting from a current vendor.
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Just pm it unless it’s not a controlled substance. Superdrol and Sarms are legal. They just can’t be sold as supplements
 
Wilko said:
Theres no means by which I walk away from this with anything less than utterly ****ed liver numbers. Thats a given. However, my concern only lies in the extreme appetite reduction and eventual inability to consume appropriate calories..
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This ^ is the ONLY factor I have in mind when I give my recommendation for running SD @10 for 5 weeks. I give not one shyt about elevated enzymes from what I believe to be a supernatural organ. I get far more at a low dose of SD for 5 weeks able to eat actual meals than trying to get 4 weeks out of 20 and barely able to drink food week 3-4.
Like WAY more.

Stack that with some Trest and watch the absurdity at which your body composition and strength changes.. I went from a 6 month layoff to latpulling the stack and military pressing 100’s in a matter of weeks.
Never seen anything like it.

I mean this when I say, you will not need nor notice any other compounds with this stack.
 
In that case, thoughts re: Fusion products from Predator? Sitting on methdrol.
 
So the consensus is your health will be fine if you add the SARMs but if it will impact appetite then skip them.

I will say the 25mg of Mk677 should definitely help raise hunger, as would the 10mg of LGD, so I still think it could work fine.
 
Hyde said:
So the consensus is your health will be fine if you add the SARMs but if it will impact appetite then skip them.

I will say the 25mg of Mk677 should definitely help raise hunger, as would the 10mg of LGD, so I still think it could work fine.
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Didn’t even see the MK. Probably would be helpful honestly.
 
Guys do you all really get that sick from SD or what is it? Why take it then when there is a lot of compounds that don't have such sides... I mean at 10 - 20mg of SD, there are other compounds that can give similar results. I haven't used SD yet, so have no idea what I'm talking about.
 
Jinsun said:
Guys do you all really get that sick from SD or what is it? Why take it then when there is a lot of compounds that don't have such sides... I mean at 10 - 20mg of SD, there are other compounds that can give similar results. I haven't used SD yet, so have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Thing is sd is really strong. 10mg is is probably around 40-50mg anadrol.
 
SD -> SARMS -> SD

Jinsun said:
Guys do you all really get that sick from SD or what is it? Why take it then when there is a lot of compounds that don't have such sides... I mean at 10 - 20mg of SD, there are other compounds that can give similar results. I haven't used SD yet, so have no idea what I'm talking about.
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It just does insane things. I guess it’s like Tren in terms of strength and on a par in nutrient partitioning. No oral does what I can do in such a short period.

Crazy thing is, week 4 you’re barely eating like 1600 calories a day, and STILL making strength and size gains. It’s a Unicorn. It’s the only oral I’d run if it didn’t make me feel like walking death. And every year, I’m thinking, “gawd I should probably run SD again, THIS time it’ll be different.”
 
Haha :D Damn... Guess I'll have to try it. Was thinking of a short cycle for my next one to add 5 to 10 pounds. But I kinda don't want to take stuff that would lower my quality of life to much.
 
Jinsun said:
Haha :D Damn... Guess I'll have to try it. Was thinking of a short cycle for my next one to add 5 to 10 pounds. But I kinda don't want to take stuff that would lower my quality of life to much.
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It’s the most brutal oral I’ve ran, and I’ve ran 90% or ph/ds and every aas except halo and adrol. And I am a day or two away from probably ordering some. It just makes sense in a few months unless someone talks me into drol.
 
Matthersby Howd that trest/SD cycle treat you? What kind of gains did you end up making? I dream of big, bulky things.
 
Wilko said:
Matthersby Howd that trest/SD cycle treat you? What kind of gains did you end up making? I dream of big, bulky things.
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Haha don't we all.. I'd expect to look really full during cycle and not as much after with trest and sd. This doesn't mean I wouldn't gain a ton but the high estrogen with trest and the muscle fullness due to water from sd would most likely make a person gain quite a lot of water weight.

This is two very strong compounds and arguably two of the strongest orals you can find
 
Oh yeah, the last time I played with trest/halo I was briefly about 20lbs heavier. In a twist that will shock no one, that sure didn't last. Though it was officially the cycle where shirts stopped fitting my shoulders. Tragedy.
 
Matthersby said:
It’s the most brutal oral I’ve ran, and I’ve ran 90% or ph/ds and every aas except halo and adrol. And I am a day or two away from probably ordering some. It just makes sense in a few months unless someone talks me into drol.
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Order drol too, have a 2-4 week play while your now on, learn it before you use it.
 
Oh boy, and here I am considering only a tbol cycle... :D Trest + sd = beast mode. How do you get by in day to day life lol
 
SD -> SARMS -> SD

Wilko said:
Matthersby Howd that trest/SD cycle treat you? What kind of gains did you end up making? I dream of big, bulky things.
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I don’t know if it was circumstance or fresh receptors or what, but no cycle has come close in my 9 years of use.
I was off my TRT dose for 6 months and started up with:
Test Prop 100mg eod
Trest Acetate 50mg eod
SD 10mg ed

I gained almost 30lbs and dropped some bf.
I don’t want to go over all the horrific estrogen issues since you are running TD or oral and not injectable. It won’t be the same animal but loads of gains to be made still. Still haven’t found a combo that worked quite like SD/Trest. I will absolutely follow a log on this bc I want to see what it does for you too.
 
Trest Ace. Those were the days. But in my current country thats virtually unheard of.
 
Chados said:
Haha don't we all.. I'd expect to look really full during cycle and not as much after with trest and sd. This doesn't mean I wouldn't gain a ton but the high estrogen with trest and the muscle fullness due to water from sd would most likely make a person gain quite a lot of water weight.

This is two very strong compounds and arguably two of the strongest orals you can find
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Loads of water. Probably on a Dbol level except the fluctuations were worse. There were times the ring I wore could be wrist-flicked off my hand, and times I had to take it off cause it was cutting off circulation. Great on bodyfat and strength. Both were considerably better post cycle. Too much gains for one cycle to lose all of it. Probably kept 2/3 of size and strength but it also helped I went to a cruise dose of test and not pct.
 
Matthersby said:
Loads of water. Probably on a Dbol level except the fluctuations were worse. There were times the ring I wore could be wrist-flicked off my hand, and times I had to take it off cause it was cutting off circulation. Great on bodyfat and strength. Both were considerably better post cycle. Too much gains for one cycle to lose all of it. Probably kept 2/3 of size and strength but it also helped I went to a cruise dose of test and not pct.
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Yeah trest should have even more estrogen than dbol but should also be a stronger steroid. Maybe a stack with winstrol would clean it up a bit
 
Chados said:
Yeah trest should have even more estrogen than dbol but should also be a stronger steroid. Maybe a stack with winstrol would clean it up a bit
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Yup. DHT’s pair so well. Even the wetter ones like SD, DMZ or Msten. Winnie dried Trest right up for me though. Honestly, for a 19nor, Trest can lean me out and stay really dry if carbs are low, especially when ran at reasonable doses.
 
Matthersby said:
Yup. DHT’s pair so well. Even the wetter ones like SD, DMZ or Msten. Winnie dried Trest right up for me though. Honestly, for a 19nor, Trest can lean me out and stay really dry if carbs are low, especially when ran at reasonable doses.
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Yeah that's how I feel too.. I like keeping carbs limited. To me it's just easier to stay lean year round
 
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