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Junglespeed

Junglespeed

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Trying to get a feel as to what I should be doing for my first cycle. I’ve been on several things “below” anabolics like prohormones and test boosters but that’s about it. Looking to lose the last 15-20lbs of weight that covers the stomach. I’ve just never been able to get rid of it.

Age: 27
Weight: 200-210 (fluctuates depending on whether or not I visited my grandparents lol)

Anyway I was told to come here for this type of support so if you guys have any suggestions I’d appreciate it.

Also hoping that anabolics run a bit more smoothly in my system. I did all the research and PCT stuff for the prohormones but my emotions still went a little haywire.
 
It was Centurian Labz Alpha Beast stack from the chain store Coalition Nutrition.

Prohormone - Alpha Beast
- proprietary ingredients

On-Cycle Support - Engage
- MK Thistle
- cran extract
- n-acetal-l-cystine
- alpha lipoic acid
- coenzyme q-10
- grape seed extract

Pct - Retreat
- fenugreek
- androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-dione
- D-aspartic acid
- saw palmetto
- diindolymethane
 
Are you gonna pin?
Full disclosure: I'm new to this still so if I was you I would wait for more experienced users to chime in and point you in the right direction. And in the mean time skim through the forum cuz lots of people have asked that same question.
But I do know that a lot of guys suggest running just test for your first cycle 250-500 per week. And some nolva for pct 20/20/10/10. You could throw in some sort of cycle support. And make sure you got an A.I. On hand before starting.
 
Junglespeed said:
Trying to get a feel as to what I should be doing for my first cycle. I’ve been on several things “below” anabolics like prohormones and test boosters but that’s about it. Looking to lose the last 15-20lbs of weight that covers the stomach. I’ve just never been able to get rid of it.

Age: 27
Weight: 200-210 (fluctuates depending on whether or not I visited my grandparents lol)

Anyway I was told to come here for this type of support so if you guys have any suggestions I’d appreciate it.

Also hoping that anabolics run a bit more smoothly in my system. I did all the research and PCT stuff for the prohormones but my emotions still went a little haywire.
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If you can inject, than testosterone 250-500mgs a week for 10-12 weeks followed by PCT.

I would stay away from the oral steroids. Quick gains, (you think your getting massive) only to lose them as quick as you got them!
 
Your pct wasn’t a proper pct bro, that may have been the issue as your hormones took longer to balance.

But first up you should get bloods to have some sort of base point for cycles.

Then test e at 300-500 for 12 weeks pinned twice a week would be standard.

Personally I think orals can help and gains can be maintained. Something like anabar for the last 4-6 weeks would be nice on a first cycle
 
Whisky said:
Your pct wasn’t a proper pct bro, that may have been the issue as your hormones took longer to balance.

But first up you should get bloods to have some sort of base point for cycles.

Then test e at 300-500 for 12 weeks pinned twice a week would be standard.

Personally I think orals can help and gains can be maintained. Something like anabar for the last 4-6 weeks would be nice on a first cycle
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^^^Agree with this but I like longer cycles 12-16 weeks with something like Anavar for the last 6-8 weeks. I think you woupd be happy with that.
 
When I said stay away from Orals, I meant an oral only cycle.

But if this guy is asking for his first cycle, shouldn't he run just testosterone? Or you guys are saying he should add an oral kick start?

I always suggest just test for a first cycle.

Love avar BTW great oral
 
You can lose fat on test BTW, its all about diet. Test burns fat and builds muscle. Just have a clean diet and do moderate cardio if your trying to lose fat
 
Yes this would be my first cycle on anything more potent than a prohormone. As of now testosterone only would be what I start with and nothing else. I need to feel out how my body reacts to stuff like this first before I go and stack. Plus I’ve never pinned myself before so in my mind test is the only thing I want to do to my body for my first time. I’m a bit on the cautious side that way. Start small and work my way up. In the future though I’ll consider orals once I get a feel for it.
 
Also could anyone tell me where I could find a good diet plan that’s relatively easy to follow? I eat pretty well now I just need to portion my food correctly which I’ve done before but I’ve just gotten lazy at it.
 
Bintherduntht said:
When I said stay away from Orals, I meant an oral only cycle.

But if this guy is asking for his first cycle, shouldn't he run just testosterone? Or you guys are saying he should add an oral kick start?

I always suggest just test for a first cycle.

Love avar BTW great oral
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I'm saying finish with Var
 
Junglespeed said:
Also could anyone tell me where I could find a good diet plan that’s relatively easy to follow? I eat pretty well now I just need to portion my food correctly which I’ve done before but I’ve just gotten lazy at it.
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I would try to shoot for 50% Protein, 30% Fats, 20% Carbs. I love this setup
 
Bintherduntht said:
Yes and I agreed, but I feel it's best if he starts with test only to get the feel and finish with var if he wants.

But test alone for a first cycle should be plenty. Test is very versatile, you can cut or bulk on it
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Yeah didnt see that until after I posted Lol.
 
The next thing I wanted to ask here was what would be a good PCT and how would I use it. I've seen some posts on here about taking Clomid during the cycle (which is the PCT that I have right now but haven't started the cycle yet) but what I've seen more of is taking the PCT after and I think that is generally what is done. Is clomid the way to go for a first test cycle or is there something better that helps with aromatization?
 
Junglespeed said:
The next thing I wanted to ask here was what would be a good PCT and how would I use it. I've seen some posts on here about taking Clomid during the cycle (which is the PCT that I have right now but haven't started the cycle yet) but what I've seen more of is taking the PCT after and I think that is generally what is done. Is clomid the way to go for a first test cycle or is there something better that helps with aromatization?
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It's personal preference I believe. I like Nolva 40/40/20/20
 
Junglespeed said:
The next thing I wanted to ask here was what would be a good PCT and how would I use it. I've seen some posts on here about taking Clomid during the cycle (which is the PCT that I have right now but haven't started the cycle yet) but what I've seen more of is taking the PCT after and I think that is generally what is done. Is clomid the way to go for a first test cycle or is there something better that helps with aromatization?
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Definitely nolva for PCT
 
It doesn't matter if you use Clomid or Nolva, you could stack the two if you wanted. Nolva works better for me in preventing any nipple issues. Clomid helps me recover faster but also gives me very bad migraines. I personally don't see the need to use 40mg Nolva, I have never gone over 20mg and most of the guys I learned from on here said the same. It won't hurt you, but will likely not help any more than 20mg. It is dirt cheap so do whatever you feel, I am a less is more kind of guy now and prefer a lower dose for a longer period.
 
rascal14 said:
It doesn't matter if you use Clomid or Nolva, you could stack the two if you wanted. Nolva works better for me in preventing any nipple issues. Clomid helps me recover faster but also gives me very bad migraines. I personally don't see the need to use 40mg Nolva, I have never gone over 20mg and most of the guys I learned from on here said the same. It won't hurt you, but will likely not help any more than 20mg. It is dirt cheap so do whatever you feel, I am a less is more kind of guy now and prefer a lower dose for a longer period.
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Right I was gonna say...

I only take it once a week on cycle for nips and it keeps my nugs working.

It's half life is 5-7 days! When I PCT I never go over 20mg a day. I just recommended that to get his test jump started. You could even go as low as 10mg a day but I would say 20 for 4 weeks. Never tried clomid but I've heard enough horror stories to stay away from it.

I read about vision loss on it and other side effects. I don't know how factual this is, but hearing other sides too, I just opted for nolva. So far nolva has never let me down I've never even needed an AI and I'm estro prone. Gyno/mood swings etc.
 
rascal14 said:
It doesn't matter if you use Clomid or Nolva, you could stack the two if you wanted. Nolva works better for me in preventing any nipple issues. Clomid helps me recover faster but also gives me very bad migraines. I personally don't see the need to use 40mg Nolva, I have never gone over 20mg and most of the guys I learned from on here said the same. It won't hurt you, but will likely not help any more than 20mg. It is dirt cheap so do whatever you feel, I am a less is more kind of guy now and prefer a lower dose for a longer period.
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I've also never gone over 20mg, no use. Half life is 5-7 days
 
rascal14 said:
It doesn't matter if you use Clomid or Nolva, you could stack the two if you wanted. Nolva works better for me in preventing any nipple issues. Clomid helps me recover faster but also gives me very bad migraines. I personally don't see the need to use 40mg Nolva, I have never gone over 20mg and most of the guys I learned from on here said the same. It won't hurt you, but will likely not help any more than 20mg. It is dirt cheap so do whatever you feel, I am a less is more kind of guy now and prefer a lower dose for a longer period.
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I'm on week 4 going on week 5 of PCT nolva 40/40/20/20 and exem 6.25 EOD . My nads feel like they are up and running again and I would call it a relatively successful pct except my nips are still puffy?
guys got any tips for nips puffiness?
 
Ok from what I’ve heard so far Nolva is the best option for a PCT. In the past I actually had gyno because I took Ritalin as a kid (which I didn’t need the teacher that told my parents just didn’t know how to teach) and got it surgically removed about four years ago so I’m not too keen on getting that back.
 
Would it be helpful to take Nolva during the cycle to prevent nip issues or would it negate the test? I really don’t want gyno again.
 
Junglespeed said:
Would it be helpful to take Nolva during the cycle to prevent nip issues or would it negate the test? I really don’t want gyno again.
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If you already had surgery, hopefully the doctor removed the entire gland and it is no longer possible for you to even get gyno.

I would not take Nolva unless something comes up, control your estrogen with a good AI and you shouldn't have any issues. If you do end up getting some, wait a couple days and see if they go away. Just a fluctuation in hormones can cause me nipple sensitivity, it doesn't mean you are about to get gyno. If you feel a lump forming or still sensitive after a few days, take 10mg Nolva every day or every other day and also get bloodwork to see estrogen levels. Then adjust your AI as needed.
 
So then if not Nolva what would I take for a PCT? The thing that I had the most trouble with when I was taking prohormones was my emotions. I got really depressed and was not in a good place for a while. Is there something in prohormones that affected me that test, tren, d-bol won’t do to me?
 
Junglespeed said:
So then if not Nolva what would I take for a PCT? The thing that I had the most trouble with when I was taking prohormones was my emotions. I got really depressed and was not in a good place for a while. Is there something in prohormones that affected me that test, tren, d-bol won’t do to me?
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He said don't take nolva on cycle to prevent gyno. He said control your estrogen with an AI, and started nolva of you feal a flare up. He did not say nolva was bad for PCT, in case you misunderstood...

Me personally, I think it's perfect being used on cycle(don't hate me rascal lol) since its main function is preventing estro from binding to nips
 
rascal14 said:
If you already had surgery, hopefully the doctor removed the entire gland and it is no longer possible for you to even get gyno.

I would not take Nolva unless something comes up, control your estrogen with a good AI and you shouldn't have any issues. If you do end up getting some, wait a couple days and see if they go away. Just a fluctuation in hormones can cause me nipple sensitivity, it doesn't mean you are about to get gyno. If you feel a lump forming or still sensitive after a few days, take 10mg Nolva every day or every other day and also get bloodwork to see estrogen levels. Then adjust your AI as needed.
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Forgive my ignorance, what are the purpose of AIs? I know what they are, and what they stand for, but what do they do for you personally or another guy juicing? Do they keep you healthy? What happens if your e2 or whatever they stop gets too high?

I've never taken them that's why I ask. Just the old Formestane( idk if that was a serm or AI) and the OTC arimistane
 
Bintherduntht said:
Forgive my ignorance, what are the purpose of AIs? I know what they are, and what they stand for, but what do they do for you personally or another guy juicing? Do they keep you healthy? What happens if your e2 or whatever they stop gets too high?

I've never taken them that's why I ask. Just the old Formestane( idk if that was a serm or AI) and the OTC arimistane
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Formestane was a good over the counter AI.
Arimistane really doesn't do anything to estrogen.

AIs are good to keep estrogen in check. When you inject more testosterone, it will convert into more estrogen, and high estrogen can cause all kinds of problems. Everyone is different so blood work is important to see where you are naturally before using steroids, and while on. This will give you an idea of where you should be and your dosages in order to feel just as good on cycle as off cycle.

High estrogen can cause gyno, nipple sensitivity, low sex drive, lethargy, mood swings, insomnia, depression, etc.
 
rascal14 said:
Formestane was a good over the counter AI.
Arimistane really doesn't do anything to estrogen.

AIs are good to keep estrogen in check. When you inject more testosterone, it will convert into more estrogen, and high estrogen can cause all kinds of problems. Everyone is different so blood work is important to see where you are naturally before using steroids, and while on. This will give you an idea of where you should be and your dosages in order to feel just as good on cycle as off cycle.

High estrogen can cause gyno, nipple sensitivity, low sex drive, lethargy, mood swings, insomnia, depression, etc.
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Then how come in 8 years of juicing I have never used an AI or had those estro sides? Because we're all different?
 
So what I’m still confused about is what i should be doing during my first cycle. I have (injectable) test and (oral) clomid at the moment. Nolva should be coming in a few weeks. Should i wait and use Nolva or Clomid at the same time as the Test and for the PCT or neither and use one or the other for the PCT olny at the end of the cycle (8wks). Mind you I did have gyno surgery and was told in a previous reply that clomid would be ok to use because i wouldn’t have any nip issues at all. My big question is should i or should i not be taking Clomid or Nolva DURING the cycle or just use them as a PCT?
 
Junglespeed said:
So what I’m still confused about is what i should be doing during my first cycle. I have (injectable) test and (oral) clomid at the moment. Nolva should be coming in a few weeks. Should i wait and use Nolva or Clomid at the same time as the Test and for the PCT or neither and use one or the other for the PCT olny at the end of the cycle (8wks). Mind you I did have gyno surgery and was told in a previous reply that clomid would be ok to use because i wouldn’t have any nip issues at all. My big question is should i or should i not be taking Clomid or Nolva DURING the cycle or just use them as a PCT?
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There’s not a clear answer bro. People are starting to run serms on cycle with some success but from what I’d read before I started the more traditional approach is to run one or the other (or both) just in pct.....

Personally I’m running hcg on cycle and will run clomid and nolva for pct. but it’s your decision to make
 
Whisky said:
There’s not a clear answer bro. People are starting to run serms on cycle with some success but from what I’d read before I started the more traditional approach is to run one or the other (or both) just in pct.....

Personally I’m running hcg on cycle and will run clomid and nolva for pct. but it’s your decision to make
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I think it's very smart to start nolva a week or two before pct and then continue through pct.
 
rascal14 said:
Formestane was a good over the counter AI.
Arimistane really doesn't do anything to estrogen.

AIs are good to keep estrogen in check. When you inject more testosterone, it will convert into more estrogen, and high estrogen can cause all kinds of problems. Everyone is different so blood work is important to see where you are naturally before using steroids, and while on. This will give you an idea of where you should be and your dosages in order to feel just as good on cycle as off cycle.

High estrogen can cause gyno, nipple sensitivity, low sex drive, lethargy, mood swings, insomnia, depression, etc.
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So this exact scenario happened to me. I didn’t use and AI. Is there something that I can take to correct it? Still got clomid and Nolva. Would those help? Out of the symptoms you described I got the lethargy some insomnia and really low sex drive. Not even a twitch down there.
 
Junglespeed said:
So this exact scenario happened to me. I didn’t use and AI. Is there something that I can take to correct it? Still got clomid and Nolva. Would those help? Out of the symptoms you described I got the lethargy some insomnia and really low sex drive. Not even a twitch down there.
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You're out of cycle? Run nolva
 
Junglespeed said:
Yea today was the last pin of test c. When do I run the Nolva?... and tbh I don’t know what 40/40/20/20 means is that 40 milligrams for 2 weeks and 20 for 2?
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Haha you should know this before cycling.

Test c has a long ester and around day 10-14 (after) your last pin you run nolva 40mg every day for two weeks.. Week 3 and 4 you run 20mg each day
 
Chados said:
Haha you should know this before cycling.

Test c has a long ester and around day 10-14 (after) your last pin you run nolva 40mg every day for two weeks.. Week 3 and 4 you run 20mg each day
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Thanks for clarifying. I kinda knew but I just wanted to confirm. I’ll start Nolva at 40/day on Nov 8th then.
 
Chados said:
Haha you should know this before cycling.

Test c has a long ester and around day 10-14 (after) your last pin you run nolva 40mg every day for two weeks.. Week 3 and 4 you run 20mg each day
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Quick question though. Why do I have to wait to take Nolva? Does it work better if you start at 0 T in your system?
 
Junglespeed said:
Quick question though. Why do I have to wait to take Nolva? Does it work better if you start at 0 T in your system?
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You don't have to i guess but you're kinda still on cycle for two weeks. You can definitely start earlier if you want but my guess would be you should run it longer than. Start a week from now and run it 6 weeks 40/40/20/20/10/10 maybe?
 
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