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S4,YK and now Trest.

Newth

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I just finished week 4 of my cycle.
7 weeks total adding/raising each compound separately. This is more about getting an idea what S4 and YK do than a bulk or cut.

Training has been same basic girly 3d/w 3x10 training I've been doing. I haven't increased weight but reps.
I started at 109kg with a 3 week ECA cut with intermittent fasting then switched to low carb at cycle start to help hydration. Including MK at 40mg/d and GW at 10mg/d.

I've raised S4 from 25mg to 75mg, YK from 10mg to 30mg and half a week ago added TD Tr3st to help suppression sides, temper and lethargy.
S4 kicked in in a little over a week and YK a little quicker. Reps have gone from 10 hard to 16-17 easy.
First 2 weeks I did 5on 2off and this weekend I only did morning dose. Only other side would be from S4 giving a slight contrast issue with vision now and then.
S4 got better with dose as has YK but I've smoothed over a little in the last week, YK has made me crave carbs so I added them. I was averaging 2500cal/d, now a bit more. Time will tell if the bloating is fat or water. S4 makes me feel good but YK makes my temper worse, they don't seem to cancel each other out, just more mood swings. Not quite as easy to channel workout aggression as I would like.
As of this morning I was 103kg with more bloat than I had at 105kg, feeling much fuller but a little spongy and have had minimal BP rise.

What I had thought weird was I wasn't feeling stronger at work...until yesterday. I lift a lot of kitchen panels but forgot we changed to a heavier board recently, I did a job in the old board yesterday, it felt like heavy cardboard.

As of tomorrow for the next 3 weeks I will be running...
S4 100mg/d.
YK 30mg/d.
TD Tr3st 50-150mg/d.
All split every 8 hours.
 
Tr3st has totally fixed the bad mood from YK and given heaps of energy, I'm going to taper down to slow shutdown as much as I can but this stack atm is really nice.
 
Trest is the best steroid eva, as far as making you feel good. Performance enhancement is just a bonus.
 
Newth said:
I just finished week 4 of my cycle.
7 weeks total adding/raising each compound separately. This is more about getting an idea what S4 and YK do than a bulk or cut.

Training has been same basic girly 3d/w 3x10 training I've been doing. I haven't increased weight but reps.
I started at 109kg with a 3 week ECA cut with intermittent fasting then switched to low carb at cycle start to help hydration. Including MK at 40mg/d and GW at 10mg/d.

I've raised S4 from 25mg to 75mg, YK from 10mg to 30mg and half a week ago added TD Tr3st to help suppression sides, temper and lethargy.
S4 kicked in in a little over a week and YK a little quicker. Reps have gone from 10 hard to 16-17 easy.
First 2 weeks I did 5on 2off and this weekend I only did morning dose. Only other side would be from S4 giving a slight contrast issue with vision now and then.
S4 got better with dose as has YK but I've smoothed over a little in the last week, YK has made me crave carbs so I added them. I was averaging 2500cal/d, now a bit more. Time will tell if the bloating is fat or water. S4 makes me feel good but YK makes my temper worse, they don't seem to cancel each other out, just more mood swings. Not quite as easy to channel workout aggression as I would like.
As of this morning I was 103kg with more bloat than I had at 105kg, feeling much fuller but a little spongy and have had minimal BP rise.

What I had thought weird was I wasn't feeling stronger at work...until yesterday. I lift a lot of kitchen panels but forgot we changed to a heavier board recently, I did a job in the old board yesterday, it felt like heavy cardboard.

As of tomorrow for the next 3 weeks I will be running...
S4 100mg/d.
YK 30mg/d.
TD Tr3st 50-150mg/d.
All split every 8 hours.
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Brave taking S4 to 100mg.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Trest is the best steroid eva, as far as making you feel good. Performance enhancement is just a bonus.
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I get heaps of energy but a lil short of breath every now and then from it, it happened last time I played with it too.
 
Hyde said:
You looking to get under 100kg I assume?
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Originally yes but I decided to feed the carbs to YK was making me crave and see what happens.
Realistically as long as I'm holding at 100kg by the end of the year I'm happy.
That gives me the weight I want to recomp into next year.
 
I forgot to mention gyno sides.
I've had left nip gyno for years, since taking the YK I've had no extra sensitivity but it seems to make the feeling move around the gland while the compound is active.
This morning I took my Trest at 6:30am but decided to wait until 10am to take S4 and YK. I had no sensation at all until half an hour or so after the second two.
It's making me think it is having an effect in the prolactin receptors or something in my breast tissue because it isn't estrogen related I think. I'll dose some Nolva tomorrow to see what happens. I know I'm taking enough Trest to have active estrogen when I wake up, but at that time I don't have any feeling. I won't be using Caber.
Sex drive is low compared to what it was on this dose of Trest before but wood works and loads are still full.
 
Wobmarvel said:
I went 75mg max but no days off and at that my night vision was non existent though. Difinitely helped me look harder and more vascular.
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I'm willing to bet it would be working stronger if I didn't have days off also.
 
So change of plan, I'm going to keep playing with doses.
I've just had a huge increase in strength in the last few days so I don't know if it's the Trest or the YK. I've woke up **** the last two mornings from low sleep and only packed enough S4 to run 75mg/d so it isn't that.
I have time to play and get a better feel for each compound so I'm going to.
 
Newth said:
It's an awesome steroid except it's so hard on suppression. I would love to spend some real time playing with IM and ancillaries but don't want to risk it.
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IM trest is on my list. I’m pretty lucky in that I’m not gyno prone but we will see when the pins start sticking. Sounds like a whole different beast. Hope your run goes well!
 
Newth! So extra IN this shyt right now...

I’m a Trest junkie and love to hear when guys enjoy this magical steroid. Keep playing with dose, it does incredible things anywhere from a cruise dose to all the way to its sweet spot.(for me 60mg eod, a dose that took along time to dial in with the proper gyno-resistance support)
Nolva does the job, but once I found Raloxifene, I eliminated AI completely and only take a smidge of Prami once or twice a week.

Sounds like you’re already enjoying all it’s other great effects too. Keep us posted big guy!
 
Matthersby said:
Newth! So extra IN this shyt right now...

I’m a Trest junkie and love to hear when guys enjoy this magical steroid. Keep playing with dose, it does incredible things anywhere from a cruise dose to all the way to its sweet spot.(for me 60mg eod, a dose that took along time to dial in with the proper gyno-resistance support)
Nolva does the job, but once I found Raloxifene, I eliminated AI completely and only take a smidge of Prami once or twice a week.

Sounds like you’re already enjoying all it’s other great effects too. Keep us posted big guy!
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Aren't you really prone to gyno? Basically just ralox taking care of it for you?

I am on 18mg Exem eod and .5-.75mg prami ed and I thought I had it dialed but I'm still getting hit so maybe I'll try ralox at 60mg. It's really helped in the past but I've never used it on cycle.

This is my first run with trest at 60-75mg. Almost 4 weeks in and it gets noticeably better every day. The last thing I want to do is have to stop it.
 
SkRaw85 said:
IM trest is on my list. I’m pretty lucky in that I’m not gyno prone but we will see when the pins start sticking. Sounds like a whole different beast. Hope your run goes well!
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Cheers SkRaw85. IM would be so good. Not being gyno prone is a great start.
 
Matthersby said:
Newth! So extra IN this shyt right now...

I’m a Trest junkie and love to hear when guys enjoy this magical steroid. Keep playing with dose, it does incredible things anywhere from a cruise dose to all the way to its sweet spot.(for me 60mg eod, a dose that took along time to dial in with the proper gyno-resistance support)
Nolva does the job, but once I found Raloxifene, I eliminated AI completely and only take a smidge of Prami once or twice a week.

Sounds like you’re already enjoying all it’s other great effects too. Keep us posted big guy!
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Good to have you hear bro.
If trt laws weren't so **** here I would already have a stock of IM for next year.
It's just to hard on the nuts for me to really have fun with.
TBH I would love to run Trest back to back with Test for a few months at cruise dose just to see how life would be. I'm really getting why everyone loves it.
 
boooosted said:
Aren't you really prone to gyno? Basically just ralox taking care of it for you?

I am on 18mg Exem eod and .5-.75mg prami ed and I thought I had it dialed but I'm still getting hit so maybe I'll try ralox at 60mg. It's really helped in the past but I've never used it on cycle.

This is my first run with trest at 60-75mg. Almost 4 weeks in and it gets noticeably better every day. The last thing I want to do is have to stop it.
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I’ve thrown everything at Trest, literally everything. Letro, nolva, inhibit-p, prami, combo of all of them.
I cruised it from June to now and Ralox has allowed me to increase dose to almost 75mg eod and zero sensitivity whatsoever. And I ran out of Letro(that I had reduced to .125 e3d) over a week ago. Haven’t needed it.
I could seriously run a low dose of Trest with my TRT indefinitely. Doesn’t throw my labs off at all either.
 
Matthersby said:
I’ve thrown everything at Trest, literally everything. Letro, nolva, inhibit-p, prami, combo of all of them.
I cruised it from June to now and Ralox has allowed me to increase dose to almost 75mg eod and zero sensitivity whatsoever. And I ran out of Letro(that I had reduced to .125 e3d) over a week ago. Haven’t needed it.
I could seriously run a low dose of Trest with my TRT indefinitely. Doesn’t throw my labs off at all either.
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Wow, so you actually reduced it using ralox while on cycle? Or just stopped it from getting worse?

And are you on td or IM?
 
boooosted said:
Wow, so you actually reduced it using ralox while on cycle? Or just stopped it from getting worse?

And are you on td or IM?
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IM. And I’m only on 250/week Test. So I don’t need much AI for that. There’s some fantastic threads in here about why AI is ineffective with Trest and I’ve found that to be the case for me too. Nolva BARELY controlled it but it was better than guzzling absurd amounts of Letro. Once I found Ralox I went from 2.5 mg Letro a day all the way to .125 e3d in 5 weeks.
 
Hairygrandpa said a SERM + Caber was the secret for him. Mainly just the caber I think actually. But an AI doesn’t prevent the methyl estrogen it seems so a SERM is the way to protect from that aspect, and some guys have real prolactin issues on Trest, hence the caber/prami if you’re one of them.
 
Hyde said:
Hairygrandpa said a SERM + Caber was the secret for him. Mainly just the caber I think actually. But an AI doesn’t prevent the methyl estrogen it seems so a SERM is the way to protect from that aspect, and some guys have real prolactin issues on Trest, hence the caber/prami if you’re one of them.
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I've read a bit saying a SERM works better with Dbol also, still unsure how it converts though.
 
Newth said:
I've read a bit saying a SERM works better with Dbol also, still unsure how it converts though.
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In my gyno-laden experience, there is never a good reason for someone prone to not run something antagonistic of gyno. If you’re not using Mast, Androsterone, Winny, Radarine, Proviron, or Ralox or Torem during a blast...why not??

Potential loss in IGF-1 is acceptable. What’s not acceptable is B cups on a grown man.
 
Hyde said:
In my gyno-laden experience, there is never a good reason for someone prone to not run something antagonistic of gyno. If you’re not using Mast, Androsterone, Winny, Radarine, Proviron, or Ralox or Torem during a blast...why not??

Potential loss in IGF-1 is acceptable. What’s not acceptable is B cups on a grown man.
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Very true, until I drop enough body weight I'm not sure how bad mine is but if it involves surgery than so be it. Still prefer not to if I don't have to.
 
Hyde said:
In my gyno-laden experience, there is never a good reason for someone prone to not run something antagonistic of gyno. If you’re not using Mast, Androsterone, Winny, Radarine, Proviron, or Ralox or Torem during a blast...why not??

Potential loss in IGF-1 is acceptable. What’s not acceptable is B cups on a grown man.
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I probably should add to this I've had my gyno on and off for nearly 16 years.
I've had felling in it for the last 5ish years nearly daily and its still well under an A cup.
What I refer to as the sensation doesn't cause growth of the gland. If I get pain that's a different story.
One cap of MK-2866 and it hurts like **** for 3 days.
 
Hyde said:
In my gyno-laden experience, there is never a good reason for someone prone to not run something antagonistic of gyno. If you’re not using Mast, Androsterone, Winny,Radarine, Proviron, or Ralox or Torem during a blast...why not??

Potential loss in IGF-1 is acceptable. What’s not acceptable is B cups on a grown man.
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I just noticed Radarine...Really?
 
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EDIT: To not just waste this space I would like to add.
From an old horse in new pastures, these 3 compounds have better reviews than average and ALL seem to have strong enough effects to be worth considering IMO.
 
Ok so eventually I've got a new update.
First I have to say. How good are orals and transdermals!
Fast action FTW...in a way. Fastest I can remember is TP and IM Winny, not including clen.

I kept S4 at 75mg most of the time but run 20mg/d of Nolva for 3 days then dropped YK and Nolva also Tr3st to 50mg/d. I actually feel really chilled, I've lost a decent bit of derp too. TBH to much CBF IMO.
I tested YK for 4 weeks from 10 to 30mg/d, I stopped here because at this point without total on point training and diet this compound is probably wasted.
YK made me cranky and gave carb cravings so I indulged, TBH I think most of it has seemed to go IM not SQ because since I dropped it 3-4 days ago I've been sooky and wanted, so had a bit to drink and my skin is pretty tight.
I'm back up to 105kg by adding pretty much carbs to a little above maintinance , I look like I did at 103 just fuller. The last week an a half training almost hasn't been due to work load so I am surprised it isn't fat gain.
I'm going to run S4 at 100mg/d and Tr3st at 50-100mg/d and find which one is giving the derp in the next weekish before I PCT I think.
 
To add to this I also dropped GW and MK to 10mg/d at he same time as dropping YK.
 
Newth said:
I just noticed Radarine...Really?
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Yes, there is pubmed proving Radarine preferentially binds to either the Alpha or Beta estrogen receptor (can’t remember which, but it’s a good thing). It will help protect you from estrogen-related gyno on a cycle and shrink any titty tissue while on it.
 
Hyde said:
Yes, there is pubmed proving Radarine preferentially binds to either the Alpha or Beta estrogen receptor (can’t remember which, but it’s a good thing). It will help protect you from estrogen-related gyno on a cycle and shrink any titty tissue while on it.
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I have yet to hear of this compound. Where does one source it? I have reading to do.
 
Matthersby said:
Ohh, gotcha
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Rad, Radarine, RAD140, Testolone are all names for it

SkRaw85 said:
Great stuff! In moderation...
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Very true - one month at 16mg and I had a nosebleed. 10mg is plenty to stack in for enhanced fullness, recovery, & estro receptor docking.

People wanna try to use it to grow and they get slapped with the lethargy and nosebleeds. Rad, to me, is a supercharger - NOT the motor.
 
Hyde said:
Rad, Radarine, RAD140, Testolone are all names for it



Very true - one month at 16mg and I had a nosebleed. 10mg is plenty to stack in for enhanced fullness, recovery, & estro receptor docking.

People wanna try to use it to grow and they get slapped with the lethargy and nosebleeds. Rad, to me, is a supercharger - NOT the motor.
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True. I got a bunch in stash but won’t run over 10 mg again. Lessons learned lol. It’s a great little addition though and seems to be a great nutrient partitioner when I use. “Abs” get a nice cut.
 
Hyde said:
Yes, there is pubmed proving Radarine preferentially binds to either the Alpha or Beta estrogen receptor (can’t remember which, but it’s a good thing). It will help protect you from estrogen-related gyno on a cycle and shrink any titty tissue while on it.
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Really cool, I'm pretty sure it's the Sarm that binds to the prostate lowering andro sides there while on cycle also.
 
Cgkone said:
Not really . 80-100mg is the sweet spot
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75mg+ is where it's at.
I wish I could run it for another month but I don't have enough weeks between now and December, the sides have nearly been nonexistent doing weekend low dose.
I see why you like it so much and I will def use it again more than I first thought.
 
Good info here. I’ve been discrediting sarms and related substances for too long and need to start more research. S4 is really interesting me when it’s time to cut some fat.
 
Newth said:
75mg+ is where it's at.
I wish I could run it for another month but I don't have enough weeks between now and December, the sides have nearly been nonexistent doing weekend low dose.
I see why you like it so much and I will def use it again more than I first thought.
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Its very cool. I'm stocked up on it. Ill be adding it to many cruises.
 
SkRaw85 said:
True. I got a bunch in stash but won’t run over 10 mg again. Lessons learned lol. It’s a great little addition though and seems to be a great nutrient partitioner when I use. “Abs” get a nice cut.
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I haven't really cared to try Rad because its so suppressive but what you and Hyde have just said makes it sound WAY more interesting than I had thought.
 
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