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Plastic surgery and fashion to compliments one's great physique.

Matthersby said:
I think that was Fritzblitz
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I was thinking of redman24 and this gem:
redman24 said:
i will say one last thing and then there is no point anymore as you will never accept it. i was hit by a car and the car bounced off me several feet. i was uninjured. i have witnesses. its not the matrix but matter consists of molecules. most of a molecule is empty space, yet you see a solid table. so your reality is an interpretation. you really should be seeing the molecules, atoms and other particles but don't. doesn't that prove that your reality may not have anything in common with mine?
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Lionheart1776 said:
I put on 28 lbs without getting fatter in 3 ****ing months? How long would that take naturally? Hell I still have 7 days left, and I started at 300 mg a week and didn't even start pinning the full 510 (my test is 300mg/ml so dosing if a bit wonky until week 6. I started as someone, who didn't even lift prior, ****ed up the first two weeks of my cycle badly both in terms of diet and training and still managed to do put down some very decent results. I just built me a base that would have taken me probably two years to build without them. I don't understand the logic at all in choosing to waste ones own time, when there is effective tools on hand ti move the process along quicker. What the hell is the point of having all of the worlds information in your pocket if you're not going to put it to good use? I know most of you are not impressed by my physique, why would you? The rest of you are much better built. But in my own life people bring up "my gains" all the time even thou I am actually painfully shy and quiet in real life so it's not my boisterous personality grabbing their attention.
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After a 3 month cycle you dont even look like you lift bro. You dont just jump straight on roids without knowing how to lift or you end up wasting your cycle bc you dont know what the fck you're doing. Calm yourself down and take a real look in the mirror and know where you're at and take inventory of what you got, evaluate where you want to be, and them you can make a plan for how to get there. Forget the plastic surgery bullshyt. You know what prople say about guys who get plastic surgery? Fcking f*ggots get plastic surgery, women get plastic surgery, amd guys that want to be women get plastic surgery. Learn how to lift and be a good dude. Looks arent that important. And btw this is what the results from a cycle are supposed to look like. A cycle wont make you perfect, but it will speed things up if you know what youre doingInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
 
Omfg pmsl at this thread now.

Up to now the guy who wanted to run tren at 18 to wear a tank round uni (but ‘lost’ his nolva) was my favourite threads but the pics have been a game changer here - by far and away the best thread lol

Am I the only one who at least thought op would look like he’d spent a couple of hours under a bar......never lifted and gets on cycle, oh my days, I’m fcuking crying here
 
christ83189 said:
After a 3 month cycle you dont even look like you lift bro. You dont just jump straight on roids without knowing how to lift or you end up wasting your cycle bc you dont know what the fck you're doing. Calm yourself down and take a real look in the mirror and know where you're at and take inventory of what you got, evaluate where you want to be, and them you can make a plan for how to get there. Forget the plastic surgery bullshyt. You know what prople say about guys who get plastic surgery? Fcking f*ggots get plastic surgery, women get plastic surgery, amd guys that want to be women get plastic surgery. Learn how to lift and be a good dude. Looks arent that important. And btw this is what the results from a cycle are supposed to look like. A cycle wont make you perfect, but it will speed things up if you know what youre doingInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
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Bro, this kid is never in a million years gonna put in the sort of work you and most of us do to get them sort of results.....
 
Whisky said:
Omfg pmsl at this thread now.

Up to now the guy who wanted to run tren at 18 to wear a tank round uni (but ‘lost’ his nolva) was my favourite threads but the pics have been a game changer here - by far and away the best thread lol

Am I the only one who at least thought op would look like he’d spent a couple of hours under a bar......never lifted and gets on cycle, oh my days, I’m fcuking crying here
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Good thing I finally asked for pictures. Hopefully now OP will take a step back and reevaluate some things. If he does, we’re all here to help, even if it seems like we’ve been harsh so far. We just don’t want another person only hurting themselves with steroids and giving steroids a bad name.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Good thing I finally asked for pictures. Hopefully now OP will take a step back and reevaluate some things. If he does, we’re all here to help, even if it seems like we’ve been harsh so far. We just don’t want another person only hurting themselves with steroids and giving steroids a bad name.
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Here’s hoping brother
 
christ83189 said:
After a 3 month cycle you dont even look like you lift bro. You dont just jump straight on roids without knowing how to lift or you end up wasting your cycle bc you dont know what the fck you're doing. Calm yourself down and take a real look in the mirror and know where you're at and take inventory of what you got, evaluate where you want to be, and them you can make a plan for how to get there. Forget the plastic surgery bullshyt. You know what prople say about guys who get plastic surgery? Fcking f*ggots get plastic surgery, women get plastic surgery, amd guys that want to be women get plastic surgery. Learn how to lift and be a good dude. Looks arent that important. And btw this is what the results from a cycle are supposed to look like. A cycle wont make you perfect, but it will speed things up if you know what youre doingInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
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Nice job. What's your weight at now?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You just confirmed my point; using steroids before knowing how to train and diet is asinine; I’ll skip the formalities and be blunt with you, since you seem to want to argue. You may make decent initial progress this way, but you’ll hit an immovable wall if you don’t learn how to train, eat, recover, and push through plateaus. The natural stage isn’t just about pride or some label; that’s silly I agree; it’s about learning the basics after newb gains are gone, setting the foundation IN REGARDS TO KNOWLEDGE, TECHNIQUES, AND SKILLS that will be necessary to look like a Greek God REGARDLESS of how much steroids you use. You can heed my warning or ignore it, just remember, you’re the one who came here and started the thread. I’m not saying you can’t succeed, only that I’ve seen many a man try and fail, likely actually hindered long-term by using steroids too early.

Also, what’d you look like before? At the tree months ago stage? Because you honestly don’t look like you have 28lbs of lean muscle above a normal frame; we’re you VERY skinny?
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I readily admit that I am completely and hopelessly incompetent in all aspects of bodybuilding, I also agree strongly with the following point you made "you may make decent initial progress this way, but you’ll hit an immovable wall if you don’t learn how to train, eat, recover, and push through plateaus. " That is why I will am hiring a prep/bodybuilding coach (a good one, it would make my life if John Meadows could take me on" but I doubt he'd want to agree to work with someone like me and also a trainer.

So the way I am have execution structured is as follows.

Step 1 Cruise until mid November, buy a simple training and diet plan (for a cut) from a good coach and have my trainer show how to correctly implement the plan including make sure my form is effective and safe. I will probably have them watch Jon's videos so they utilize his own superior technique and not their own. I already have 100% diet adherence I even weight my ****ing ketchup, lol. So the diet plan will be easy and mindless to follow.

Step 2 Hire a prep coach, the best who will accept me despite it probably being a bigger risk for them to do so. (I'm guessing they'll find me to be a less than ideal client) I would only hire someone who could give me extensive weekly feedback that way anytime a platue presented itself, it would be violently murdered by my coaches expertise. The "show" I am prepping for is actually just Ultra Music Festival and was arbitrarily chosen purely because it's 16ish weeks after the start of my blast and it would be a hell of a fun way to celebrate victory whilst getting to show off my results and feed my ego for 9 days straight. Will be absolutely fantastic!

Step 3 go back to my TRT of 100mg a week of test and just enough primo to hold the extra chemical muscle and not a gram more. If the primo suppressed lipids I'll just keep some growth hormone to hold the mass instead, but rather avoid it due to the annoying daily injections, possible lethargy, and silly high cost comaped to primo. Enjoy life and work out just enough to maintain the mass, maybe upping the TRT or primo a few times a year as needed to make small changes in the proportions or to make up for gains lost due to an injury.

My plan listed below above is as strategically sound as a plan for such a project could be, due to in large part since I am in no way, shape, or form relying on my own expertise or competence. I will literately have years of experience backing me, just not my own, lol! Furthermore, living in the gray twilight is the worst fate one can find themselves in. Ask Ol' Teddy Roosevelt, one of the most regal men to have ever walked this earth. "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
 
Lionheart1776 said:
I readily admit that I am completely and hopelessly incompetent in all aspects of bodybuilding, I also agree strongly with the following point you made "you may make decent initial progress this way, but you’ll hit an immovable wall if you don’t learn how to train, eat, recover, and push through plateaus. " That is why I will am hiring a prep/bodybuilding coach (a good one, it would make my life if John Meadows could take me on" but I doubt he'd want to agree to work with someone like me and also a trainer.
If I was a coach, I wouldn't take you as a client unless you agreed to stop using steroids until you developed a base of knowledge, strength, and mass, and I have a feeling most reputable coaches would agree here.
So the way I am have execution structured is as follows.

Step 1 Cruise until mid November, buy a simple training and diet plan (for a cut) from a good coach and have my trainer show how to correctly implement the plan including make sure my form is effective and safe. I will probably have them watch Jon's videos so they utilize his own superior technique and not their own. I already have 100% diet adherence I even weight my ****ing ketchup, lol. So the diet plan will be easy and mindless to follow.
Cutting? You need a SUBSTANTIAL amount of size (muscle) to look like a Greek God. Yes, you need to lose some fat too, but gaining muscle should be your main priority now, not cutting.
Step 2 Hire a prep coach, the best who will accept me despite it probably being a bigger risk for them to do so. (I'm guessing they'll find me to be a less than ideal client) I would only hire someone who could give me extensive weekly feedback that way anytime a platue presented itself, it would be violently murdered by my coaches expertise. The "show" I am prepping for is actually just Ultra Music Festival and was arbitrarily chosen purely because it's 16ish weeks after the start of my blast and it would be a hell of a fun way to celebrate victory whilst getting to show off my results and feed my ego for 9 days straight. Will be absolutely fantastic!
Celebrate victory? My friend, if it's even a halfway decent amateur show, you will get smoked if you're competing in only a few months.
Step 3 go back to my TRT of 100mg a week of test and just enough primo to hold the extra chemical muscle and not a gram more. If the primo suppressed lipids I'll just keep some growth hormone to hold the mass instead, but rather avoid it due to the annoying daily injections, possible lethargy, and silly high cost comaped to primo. Enjoy life and work out just enough to maintain the mass, maybe upping the TRT or primo a few times a year as needed to make small changes in the proportions or to make up for gains lost due to an injury.

My plan listed below above is as strategically sound as a plan for such a project could be, due to in large part since I am in no way, shape, or form relying on my own expertise or competence. I will literately have years of experience backing me, just not my own, lol! Furthermore, living in the gray twilight is the worst fate one can find themselves in. Ask Ol' Teddy Roosevelt, one of the most regal men to have ever walked this earth. "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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Response bolded in above quote. Also this plan is not "as strategically sound as a plan could be," as the "project" is itself not strategically sound. Slow down, take a step back, and listen to everyone here. Literally not a single person has agreed with what you're doing or even approved of it in the least, and most (all?) of us here are significantly farther in this journey than you are.
 
7 pages of people telling a guy not to get surgery yet everyone's jacked up on steroids pretty much saying they don't care how they look. Not sure what's best, destroying your body from inside or maybe end up with a small scar from plastic surgery haha.. Jokes aside, I don't think one should just jump in to either full blast but try to make the best of what you have and then maybe get a damn brow lift or whatever before injecting large amounts of botox or tren.
 
Hyde said:
Damn I didn’t know he died. I mean every time he posted I was always shaking my head, he seemed like a right piece of work, but still sucks to hear. Did you hear what got him?
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Whoever logged in and posted it didnt say what it was
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You just confirmed my point; using steroids before knowing how to train and diet is asinine; I’ll skip the formalities and be blunt with you, since you seem to want to argue. You may make decent initial progress this way, but you’ll hit an immovable wall if you don’t learn how to train, eat, recover, and push through plateaus. The natural stage isn’t just about pride or some label; that’s silly I agree; it’s about learning the basics after newb gains are gone, setting the foundation IN REGARDS TO KNOWLEDGE, TECHNIQUES, AND SKILLS that will be necessary to look like a Greek God REGARDLESS of how much steroids you use. You can heed my warning or ignore it, just remember, you’re the one who came here and started the thread. I’m not saying you can’t succeed, only that I’ve seen many a man try and fail, likely actually hindered long-term by using steroids too early.

Also, what’d you look like before? At the tree months ago stage? Because you honestly don’t look like you have 28lbs of lean muscle above a normal frame; we’re you VERY skinny?
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In regards to "Also, what’d you look like before? At the tree months ago stage? Because you honestly don’t look like you have 28lbs of lean muscle above a normal frame; we’re you VERY skinny?" Yes, when I started I was 158-160ish, I have a very tiny frame, both my wrists are just under 6.5 inches. Most of my weight gain was in my legs they went from 20ish inches to almost 24, my arms went from 13 to 15 inches and my waist stayed the same size but tightened up a little bit, probably due to fixing my anterior pelvic tilt and my chest and shoulders I never measured but they clearly grew quite a bit since I no longer have any clothes that fit well. Been wearing my dads, so I am not wasting money buying nice clothes that wont fit me in few months, yet again. When I reach my goals I am going to indulge in the most beautiful well made clothes to complement the new proportions. Will be one hell of a shopping trip, the best of a lifetime. Every moment of victory will be savored.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It’s not everyone, just the most vocal ones IMO.
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99% of the people here are in it for the looks. You don't have to post pictures on Facebook to care about your looks, the vocal ones are the narcissistic people who demands attention at all times, that's the difference
 
Chados said:
7 pages of people telling a guy not to get surgery yet everyone's jacked up on steroids pretty much saying they don't care how they look. Not sure what's best, destroying your body from inside or maybe end up with a small scar from plastic surgery haha.. Jokes aside, I don't think one should just jump in to either full blast but try to make the best of what you have and then maybe get a damn brow lift or whatever before injecting large amounts of botox or tren.
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The guy is 22 and wants major facial reconstruction surgery. He mentioned his jaw; that doesn’t seem minor. Also, the main point is that he should learn the fundamentals first before using, not that using is evil. He also should reevaluate his timetable, as he has a long way to go in a very short time according to his timeframe.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
The guy is 22 and wants major facial reconstruction surgery. He mentioned his jaw; that doesn’t seem minor. Also, the main point is that he should learn the fundamentals first before using, not that using is evil. He also should reevaluate his timetable, as he has a long way to go in a very short time according to his timeframe.
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Oh for sure, but at that age looks are everything
 
Lionheart1776 said:
In regards to "Also, what’d you look like before? At the tree months ago stage? Because you honestly don’t look like you have 28lbs of lean muscle above a normal frame; we’re you VERY skinny?" Yes, when I started I was 158-160ish, I have a very tiny frame, both my wrists are just under 6.5 inches. Most of my weight gain was in my legs they went from 20ish inches to almost 24, my arms went from 13 to 15 inches and my waist stayed the same size but tightened up a little bit, probably due to fixing my anterior pelvic tilt and my chest and shoulders I never measured but they clearly grew quite a bit since I no longer have any clothes that fit well. Been wearing my dads, so I am not wasting money buying nice clothes that wont fit me in few months, yet again. When I reach my goals I am going to indulge in the most beautiful well made clothes to complement the new proportions. Will be one hell of a shopping trip, the best of a lifetime. Every moment of victory will be savored.
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I'm still telling you that you don't have 28 pounds of lean muscle mass from pic 1 to pic 2. 28 pounds of weight? Sure. But it's not 28 pounds of actual muscle tissue, and you're still FAR from looking like a Greek God. I'm 5'10" 155-160 right now, and I look like I have SUBSTANTIALLY more muscle mass than you do, so don't get too excited claiming you gained 28 pounds of lean muscle mass, because you didn't.

We're trying to help you. Having goals and ambition is good, admirable even, but running recklessly into every possible shortcut you can is not the best way to go about it. Slow down and you'll go faster.
 
OP, you sound like such a douchey little boy. “Feed my ego for 9 days?” As if all the dumb kids around you that aren’t meta gaming their physiques and getting plastic surgery are inferior humans.

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muscleupcrohn said:
I'm still telling you that you don't have 28 pounds of lean muscle mass from pic 1 to pic 2. 28 pounds of weight? Sure. But it's not 28 pounds of actual muscle tissue, and you're still FAR from looking like a Greek God. I'm 5'10" 155-160 right now, and I look like I have SUBSTANTIALLY more muscle mass than you do, so don't get too excited claiming you gained 28 pounds of lean muscle mass, because you didn't.

We're trying to help you. Having goals and ambition is good, admirable even, but running recklessly into every possible shortcut you can is not the best way to go about it. Slow down and you'll go faster.
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Correction, it would be reckless if I were to attempt it alone and without qualified advisers to supervise my ****ery. If you are calling me reckless than you will be actually calling my coach and trainer reckless since I will literally be shutting my ****ing mouth, doing exactly as they say to the T, and adapting quickly per their advisement. Risk = mitigated to an extreme degree.
 
Okey guys the guy might have some low self-esteem weve probably all been there more or less at some point. This is not helping, this is bullying. The guy hasn't attacked any of you so why the need to attack him 20 more pages..
 
Lionheart1776 said:
Correction, it would be reckless if I were to attempt it alone and without qualified advisers to supervise my ****ery. If you are calling me reckless than you will be actually calling my coach and trainer reckless since I will literally be shutting my ****ing mouth, doing exactly as they say to the T, and adapting quickly per their advisement. Risk = mitigated to an extreme degree.
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You can improve a ton by just working out, getting a nice haircut some nice clothes and things like that.. You don't wanna rush in to things you might regret later. You're 22 and that's absolutely nothing and you'll realize that when you're older. You're not adult until you're 30
 
Lionheart1776 said:
Correction, it would be reckless if I were to attempt it alone and without qualified advisers to supervise my ****ery. If you are calling me reckless than you will be actually calling my coach and trainer reckless since I will literally be shutting my ****ing mouth, doing exactly as they say to the T, and adapting quickly per their advisement. Risk = mitigated to an extreme degree.
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Do you have a coach and trainer yet? If you don't, your entire argument is irrelevant. You're just assuming that they'll support a complete novice using steroids before even knowing the basics of training. I'd wager, no, state, that any respectable coach/trainer would not condone this, therefore any trainer that would is, by definition, reckless. They may be knowledgeable and skilled, but it's still reckless. Let go of your ego man, it's out of hand.
 
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I've been studying this man and also a fellow who is 32 and tried to look like Justin Bieber, it is in my budding mental case-file for **** ups to avoid during my own projects, lol.
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Everyone's hot on Instagram or when famous.. Every time I'm out in the city I see a Kristen bell lol
 
Chados said:
Okey guys the guy might have some low self-esteem weve probably all been there more or less at some point. This is not helping, this is bullying. The guy hasn't attacked any of you so why the need to attack him 20 more pages..
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The guy has beyond unattainable goals (given his established timeframe), and is using steroids before he even knows the basics of lifting or has any real base. Many people have told him to reevaluate and think about it, but he's doubling down on his plan. We may be being harsh and blunt, but we ARE trying to help him avoid doing something(s) he may regret for the rest of his life.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
The guy has beyond unattainable goals (given his established timeframe), and is using steroids before he even knows the basics of lifting or has any real base. Many people have told him to reevaluate and think about it, but he's doubling down on his plan. We may be being harsh and blunt, but we ARE trying to help him avoid doing something(s) he may regret for the rest of his life.
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Sure I agree with you 100% but take in to consideration that the saying you shouldn't care what others say doesn't involve everyone.. If it's anything society taught us is that when someone doesn't feel good about themselves we shouldn't ignore that, especially when it's 50 against 1. Some people just doesn't listen because that's not what they want or expect to hear. We can't really do much more over the internet then give our opinion. I don't think people are just being harsh in this thread. This reminds me of school at 11 years of age, only difference is that we Finnish up the sentence by, we just want the best for you..
 
Chados said:
Okey guys the guy might have some low self-esteem weve probably all been there more or less at some point. This is not helping, this is bullying. The guy hasn't attacked any of you so why the need to attack him 20 more pages..
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I don't fell attacked for the most part, I piss people off all the time due to my extreme levels of audacity (I know it's not personal). In high school people teased me for being to shy to talk to girls after I wrote a love letter on Facebook because I was to afraid to ask a girl to homecoming. They teased me everyday and then one day I decided to ask out every single last girl in my school, I did so in less than a week. It was misguided and quickly became a huge joke and they teased me even more during it even filming it at times and girls would come up and pretend to by my girlfriend but I didn't know they were faking (and in the moment of thinking I had multiple hot girlfriends I had the best victory rush ever) , I will never forgot how great that feeling of victory felt in the moment (even if temporary and fake, since I didn't know it was, that the emotion of victory was real in that moment.) But by the end of it, I felt a **** lot better that I'd done so and told them all in the best way possible to basically "eat my ****ing dick!".

I encourage people to keep the flames burning, it stokes the fire in me in a way that cannot be replicated by anything else.
 
Lionheart1776 said:
I don't fell attacked for the most part, I piss people off all the time due to my extreme levels of audacity (I know it's not personal). In high school people teased me for being to shy to talk to girls after I wrote a love letter on Facebook because I was to afraid to ask a girl to homecoming. They teased me everyday and then one day I decided to ask out every single last girl in my school, I did so in less than a week. It was misguided and quickly became a huge joke and they teased me even more during it even filming it at times and girls would come up and pretend to by my girlfriend but I didn't know they were faking (and in the moment of thinking I had multiple hot girlfriends I had the best victory rush ever) , I will never forgot how great that feeling of victory felt in the moment (even if temporary and fake, since I didn't know it was, that the emotion of victory was real in that moment.) But by the end of it, I felt a **** lot better that I'd done so and told them all in the best way possible to basically "eat my ****ing dick!".

I encourage people to keep the flames burning, it stokes the fire in me in a way that cannot be replicated by anything else.
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The thing is, we don't know how you feel.. Good you don't take it personal.. Just keep improving yourself as we all do with age and you'll be happy with yourself.
 
Chados said:
Sure I agree with you 100% but take in to consideration that the saying you shouldn't care what others say doesn't involve everyone.. If it's anything society taught us is that when someone doesn't feel good about themselves we shouldn't ignore that, especially when it's 50 against 1. Some people just doesn't listen because that's not what they want or expect to hear. We can't really do much more over the internet then give our opinion. I don't think people are just being harsh in this thread. This reminds me of school at 11 years of age, only difference is that we Finnish up the sentence by, we just want the best for you..
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Meh, if he's determined on being reckless and using steroids before even having a base of lifting knowledge, maybe he should just leave this forum, as continuing this course of action would mean he doesn't want to (won't) listen to advice. Just my $0.02. Plenty of people here are VERY knowledgeable and willing to help him, but so far he's shown a complete unwillingness to take advice. He has it all figured out, so why even come here?

He claims to be firm in his resolve and ambition, which is good, but only if built on a sturdy foundation. Otherwise it is foolish, and will likely lead only to ruin.

I'll quote Epictetus on the topic:
'A man must abide by his decisions.'

What are you doing, man? Not all decisions, but right decisions. For instance, if you were convinced at the moment that it was right, abide by that opinion if you think fit, and do not change it, but say, 'one must abide by one's decisions.'

Will you not lay this foundation to begin with—that is, examine your decision and see whether it is sound or unsound, and then afterwards build on it your firmness and unshaken resolve? But if you lay a rotten and crumbling foundation you will not be able to build even a tiny building; the more courses and the stronger that you lay upon it the quicker will it collapse...

This is the firmness of madness, not of health.
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I don't even know what to say at this point. It seems your heart is set on making these changes, however misguided they may be in my opinion. Don't take this the wrong way, I personally feel your plan is extremely faulty and is destined to fail because you don't have a foundation in place...but you seem like you know all the answers so have at it. I wish you well.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Meh, if he's determined on being reckless and using steroids before even having a base of lifting knowledge, maybe he should just leave this forum, as continuing this course of action would mean he doesn't want to (won't) listen to advice. Just my $0.02. Plenty of people here are VERY knowledgeable and willing to help him, but so far he's shown a complete unwillingness to take advice. He has it all figured out, so why even come here?

He claims to be firm in his resolve and ambition, which is good, but only if built on a sturdy foundation. Otherwise it is foolish, and will likely lead only to ruin.

I'll quote Epictetus on the topic:
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Yes but we can still be civil.. If he doesn't listen we don't have to argue, it's not our job to make him take the right decision cause he's an adult... Telling him his body sucks will probably not be a good argument to make him stay away from steroids.
 
Lionheart1776 said:
Nope am not delusional, I actually stated in my original post "So I will soon find myself in the position of of having a 10/10 body" and then later stated "I'll be out less than 10-12 grand for all of it, but it just to embarrassing to to have the build of greek god but look like just any other dude from the neck above where people see you first anyways. I am honestly scarred ****-less of both the surgery and how people in my life will react to me jumping 2 points in attractiveness with obvious plastic surgery. "

I expect to look like the picture right above Arnold by mid November as I cut my fat down to the single digits. And that'll just be my starting point for my next blast which will take me to where I want to be by Spring of next year, if I can't meet or exceed my current pace of progress which I will exceed it since I will hiring a prep coach (not for contest but to get more out of the next blast) and using every tool required to get the job done (Which I didn't do before) that's only 7 months away, which is scary because I haven't even gotten my wisdom teeth pulled yet.

I am to fat to look like a greek god right now, but I will get there very quickly due to my extreme rate of progression. Here is what I've done so far at about 11ish weeks in. The first picture (taken 3 days post injection) is when I first though that I could see some chest definition coming in (althou was probably just from the pump), and by week 6ish I was I was shocked and euphoric at how well it was going, the second picture was taken just today. I had never trained with weights (some light machine work from time to time) or had any appreciable muscle tone previously but was able to self teach myself very quickly courtesy of Jeff Nippard and John Meadows providing all the useful information I could need over at YouTube. I honestly didn't even think the steroids were working because I looked even worst than the first picture until the second week, I got sad that I ****ed it up so bad and started binge eating junk food like crazy (because I was worried that I was doomed to be ugly forever) but fortunately I was still training since I liked the way the muscles looked afterwards) So I started making sure I ate enough protein and the hint of results motivated me start taking the diet and training very seriously. I went from 160 to 188 well leaning out just a little bit in the process and I honestly am still in shock that it worked. I am certain that I can move the needle even faster going forward due to improving my diet, training, and drug regiment all in unison.

I still feel like I have no ****ing idea what I'm doing (hence the coach) but every 3-5 days I look even bigger and leaner (Test is ****ing magical!). I've been ugly my entire life and in 12 weeks and like 80$ of test later and it got so much ****ing better. It feels to strange, when I see myself in the mirror now it takes me a minute to believe it's really me. I feel like an alien/superhuman now staring back at me due to how much the hormones changed my body and mindset. Every-time I run into someone who knew me before they notice and comment/complement me, it's on of the best feelings I've ever experienced especially girls notice. I get why people take this hobby so far now, I can't wait to finish the metamorphosis. It will be so nice to look even better, much better actually than those greek god statues because those poor bastards didn't even have creatine/modern exercise and diet science to help them along. Invalid Link Removed

They are admired all around the world for thousands of years by millions of people, and I will look better than them with less than a year in the gym. Modern science is a wonderful thing gentleman.
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I doubt you are 5'10" 185.
More like 5'8" 145.

The image on the left is the same as on the right. Different underwear and pose cropped in and flexing.
There's no difference, and you've done nothing. I'm calling you out as a troll. A good, attention seeking troll.
 
Chados said:
Yes but we can still be civil.. If he doesn't listen we don't have to argue, it's not our job to make him take the right decision cause he's an adult... Telling him his body sucks will probably not be a good argument to make him stay away from steroids.
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But perhaps it’ll convince him that even with drugs, a lot of hard work and time is needed to sculpt the body of a Greek God. He seems to think he’s come so far already and is close, when he’s not, so a reality check may keep him from continuing with this misguided plan of his. Also this confidence with hints of delusion and arrogance probably isn’t doing him any favors with woman, which is a goal of his too.
 
justhere4comm said:
I doubt you are 5'10" 185.
More like 5'8" 145.

The image on the left is the same as on the right. Different underwear and pose cropped in and flexing.
There's not difference. You've done nothing, and I'm calling you out.

Based on your posts, you're in a fantasy land.
I also have doubts wether you are 22. At least mentally.

Seek therapy from a professional. You need it, not a better body or face.
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This. There's just no way there's 28 pounds of mass (forget actual muscle mass/tissue) between the two pictures. And he said he's cutting, which is silly, as he needs a TON of mass to look like a Greek God. Literally everything about his plan is off base.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
But perhaps it’ll convince him that even with drugs, a lot of hard work and time is needed to sculpt the body of a Greek God. He seems to think he’s come so far already and is close, when he’s not, so a reality check may keep him from continuing with this misguided plan of his. Also this confidence with hints of delusion and arrogance probably isn’t doing him any favors with woman, which is a goal of his too.
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It'll take time for sure.. Not one cycle, everyone's perspective of a good body is different though. But no one should work out first m to get anything out of steroids
 
Chados said:
It'll take time for sure.. Not one cycle, everyone's perspective of a good body is different though. But no one should work out first m to get anything out of steroids
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I asked him which sculpture of a God he was aiming for (and says he’ll achieve in a few months), and it’s probably a few dozen pounds of muscle more than he has, and several percent body fat less. He shouldn’t be cycling at all yet; if he relies on drugs to progress instead of learning the basics, his potential will be so much lower, and when he doesn’t make the progress he wants, he’ll either give up or add more drugs, as drugs are the only way he knows how to make progress with. It’s a recipe for disaster, and we’re trying to help him avoid this course of action.
 
Ill say this. If you wouldve started out without steroids newb gains are just as good as any cycle you could run to start out if you follow a decent training plain and eat right. Seriously at 22 and no lifting experience you don't need steroids (that ship has already sailed since you ran a cycle already) get training and diet down and keep yourself motivated and determined and you can make huge gains. At 22 and the way your talking i doubt your resolve and willingness to push through when the going gets tough. Steroids arent magic drugs either. It doesnt matter what your doing. Whatever you want to be good at or progress with it takes hard work and determination. Talk to any bodybuilder about steroids and hard work and they will tell you the same thing. You cant just take steroids and workout minimally and eat like sh1t and expect anything to happen
 
christ83189 said:
Ill say this. If you wouldve started out without steroids newb gains are just as good as any cycle you could run to start out if you follow a decent training plain and eat right. Seriously at 22 and no lifting experience you don't need steroids (that ship has already sailed since you ran a cycle already) get training and diet down and keep yourself motivated and determined and you can make huge gains. At 22 and the way your talking i doubt your resolve and willingness to push through when the going gets tough. Steroids arent magic drugs either. It doesnt matter what your doing. Whatever you want to be good at or progress with it takes hard work and determination. Talk to any bodybuilder about steroids and hard work and they will tell you the same thing. You cant just take steroids and workout minimally and eat like sh1t and expect anything to happen
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This. And even with steroids, building the body of a "Greek God" takes time, years, not months. Trying to to in months what must take years is a surefire way to fail. It's not about determination or hard work, it's about being realistic and setting realistic goals, then working hard to achieve them.

Just like the old Koan I already mentioned that I REALLY think OP needs to read and consider:
A student asked a master: “How long will it take me to attain enlightenment?”

The master thought for a few moments and replied: “About ten years.”

The young monk was upset and said: “But you are assuming I am like the other monks and I am not. I will practice with great determination. I will do whatever it takes.”

“In that case,” replied the Master, “twenty years.”
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muscleupcrohn said:
I asked him which sculpture of a God he was aiming for (and says he’ll achieve in a few months), and it’s probably a few dozen pounds of muscle more than he has, and several percent body fat less. He shouldn’t be cycling at all yet; if he relies on drugs to progress instead of learning the basics, his potential will be so much lower, and when he doesn’t make the progress he wants, he’ll either give up or add more drugs, as drugs are the only way he knows how to make progress with. It’s a recipe for disaster, and we’re trying to help him avoid this course of action.
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I get it.. It's just the personal attacks constantly and I'm not saying you did anything, I haven't read this whole thread.. It's just random nasty comments all the time. We know nothing about this guy.. I've seen way too much **** from bullying and people being alone. Imagine you post a picture and everyone is telling you what's been said in this thread. Now let's say you don't care which I can't imagine you wouldn't, everyone would.. Imagine your son, brother.. The guy could be 15 for all we know.
 
Chados said:
I get it.. It's just the personal attacks constantly and I'm not saying you did anything, I haven't read this whole thread.. It's just random nasty comments all the time. We know nothing about this guy.. I've seen way too much **** from bullying and people being alone. Imagine you post a picture and everyone is telling you what's been said in this thread. Now let's say you don't care which I can't imagine you wouldn't, everyone would.. Imagine your son, brother.. The guy could be 15 for all we know.
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It’s not like people are ripping his body for the sake of it; he’s the one saying how close he is to the body of a Greek God, and how much progress he’s made when the pics show a different story. Also, if he’s 15 and using steroids, he REALLY needs to cut that **** out. We can only go on what he told us, and he has a borderline God complex mixed with a fair bit of delusion.

Go back, read the beginning and how he talks, see his pics, see the pic of his goal, and see his timeframe and plan. Come back and tell me it’s not asinine.
 
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